Restriction on Purchase of WoW Token, WoW Hotfixes - November 17, 2023

[PgStckr]

It's cute you think you even have an army that could do better than the troglodyte troops of russia are currently doing.

But it's nice you think you should go full nazi on ukraine, proving once again why people hate russia.

It really feels nice to paint me a mental image of you being a frothing sweating, fuming russophobe, what with bared teeth and drooling saliva
Wondering how far off from reality it is, though something tells me, not much ^_^

[Ghostile]

It really feels nice to paint me a mental image of you being a frothing sweating, fuming russophobe, what with bared teeth and drooling saliva
Wondering how far off from reality it is, though something tells me, not much ^_^

dry your tears, calm down and try again.

[PgStckr]

dry your tears, calm down and try again.

wipe off saliva from your chin, and do continue to fume for my amusement

[Ghostile]

wipe off saliva from your chin, and do continue to fume for my amusement

Those smilies won't hide the tears, Ivan.

Oh and btw, russoPHOBIA means fear, but why would anyone fear russia?
It can't even handle ukraine, let alone NATO lol.

[Deneios]

Lol vatniks be wilding here. Any way the gold reset would be wonderful thing to happen but blizz is too afraid to do it. The AH and workorders are a joke currently but atleast you dont have to pay 300k for new legendary when blizz decides to add major gameplay "enhancement" to gear with sockets

[PgStckr]

Those smilies won't hide the tears, Ivan.

Oh and btw, russoPHOBIA means fear, but why would anyone fear russia?
It can't even handle ukraine, let alone NATO lol.

these attempts at deflection wont hide the fuming, Joe
Do go on, twist, shout, twitch, entertain me.
Here's some fuel for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybVAphBGOmo

[Ghostile]

these attempts at deflection wont hide the fuming, Joe
Do go on, twist, shout, twitch, entertain me.
Here's some fuel for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybVAphBGOmo

You're just sad to watch, really.
Degraded from arguments to just screaming.

[Lolites]

Any way the gold reset would be wonderful thing to happen

it would be pointless and hit the poor worse...

[PgStckr]

You're just sad to watch, really.
Degraded from arguments to just screaming.

I delight in the irony.

[slime]

Sorry to interrupt the two neckbeards having a foam sword fight at the Renaissance fair...

The token implementation is what kept me playing wow. I was done paying to play a game I was not enjoying much anymore but the token made the game free. With millions and millions of useless gold I had they did the perfect thing. I could now use this useless 'currency' I had amassed in-game to keep my sub up. And by playing you essentially keep making gold to keep playing. I have only paid with tokens since they were implemented. I was sure I would be one of the ones that had to pay cashmoney for a month but no, I could still buy tokens last night and I've been using them since day 1. This must be for people who stopped paying/playing even before the token came out??

Okay ... now back to the action.

[Yarathir]

We all know the efficacy of this is nonexistent.

[Nefastus]

I wish Putin was as bloodthirsty as westoids paint him out to be.
Russia's main flaw is it's mercy and humility.
I wish Putin did take SMO on like israel commits to Palestine massacre. But, on the other hand, Putin would become an evil genocidal maniac like netaniahu.

You forgot the /s in the end. Unless you are nuts of course. Puttler is an insane murderer and his end won't be pretty. The question is, russians want to sink with him? World will be fine without Russia in that case.

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Those smilies won't hide the tears, Ivan.

Oh and btw, russoPHOBIA means fear, but why would anyone fear russia?
It can't even handle ukraine, let alone NATO lol.

Even third world armies could handle Russia forces, NATO would end it in a single day.

[PgStckr]

Even third world armies could handle Russia forces, NATO would end it in a single day.

You forgot the /s in the end. Unless you are nuts of course. (c)

okrainians, being the third worlders they are, can't do fuck all against Russia without 50-something countries backing them up in all sorts of ways, and yet still, okraine cedes grounds both to Russian forces, and to okrainian graveyards.

[Ghostile]

You forgot the /s in the end. Unless you are nuts of course. (c)

okrainians, being the third worlders they are, can't do fuck all against Russia without 50-something countries backing them up in all sorts of ways, and yet still, okraine cedes grounds both to Russian forces, and to okrainian graveyards.

Meanwhile russia hasn't acquired air superiority, is losing its navy, has lost over 2500 pieces of armor and NATO hasn't even stepped foot in the battlefield.

By the time western aid arrived in Ukraine, US had already won in Iraq.
That's the difference between a successful army and a russian clusterfuck.

[aceperson]

No I asked, did people have the option to buy gold before token was added?

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if you meant that as a genuine question, then you phrased it extremely poorly and used grammar typical of snarkiness. and if you want a serious answer, yes, people were able to buy gold prior to the wow token. BUT there is a huge difference between blizz fighting gold sellers and blizz becoming the gold seller. one situation if blizz trying to maintain integrity and the other is blizz giving up on integrity.

[Ghostile]

if you meant that as a genuine question, then you phrased it extremely poorly and used grammar typical of snarkiness. and if you want a serious answer, yes, people were able to buy gold prior to the wow token. BUT there is a huge difference between blizz fighting gold sellers and blizz becoming the gold seller. one situation if blizz trying to maintain integrity and the other is blizz giving up on integrity.

Blizz becoming the gold seller makes the black market for gold less profitable and gives the normal person means to buy gold even if he lacks the money to buy multiple accounts to launder the "illegal" gold giving him and the rich guy more equal playground.
Due to the fact you can't prevent illegal gold markets, this is pretty much the only solution to the problem.
I can't even come up with negative effects by the tokens from the top of my head.

[aceperson]

Blizz becoming the gold seller makes the black market for gold less profitable and gives the normal person means to buy gold even if he lacks the money to buy multiple accounts to launder the "illegal" gold giving him and the rich guy more equal playground.
Due to the fact you can't prevent illegal gold markets, this is pretty much the only solution to the problem.
I can't even come up with negative effects by the tokens from the top of my head.

how about you can buy literally everything with money with the token around? achievements? buy a carry. gear? buy a carry. expensive, exclusive mounts like the brontosaur? just buy like a dozen tokens. as long as the token exists, there is no value for the general community for most things. the legion tower skins are very rare exceptions since that was completely solo so you'd have to break the TOS to get help with that. mounts, gear, and titles used to really mean something to other players but now most people don't care.

the token has made the game p2w and the general player base (including me when the token first released) don't seem to realize that.

[Eapoe]

how about you can buy literally everything with money with the token around? achievements? buy a carry. gear? buy a carry. expensive, exclusive mounts like the brontosaur? just buy like a dozen tokens. as long as the token exists, there is no value for the general community for most things. the legion tower skins are very rare exceptions since that was completely solo so you'd have to break the TOS to get help with that. mounts, gear, and titles used to really mean something to other players but now most people don't care.
the token has made the game p2w and the general player base (including me when the token first released) don't seem to realize that.

This is one take as to why things don’t mean as much. I’ve seen multiple others stating that it’s too easy to get things now from world drops, raids, dungeons. There’s just too many around to be meaningful. There’s too many recolors of the same mount.
Not all of these are mutually exclusive, but they aren’t always together, either.
The point is that no matter who you ask, you can get different answers as to what the problem is. It doesn’t devalue an opinion, but it also doesn’t mean you’re correct. Not 100% anyways.
As to your first point, you could literally buy anything before the token. Whether you bought gold with real money from any of the several sellers around that Blizz was constantly fighting a losing battle with, or you just know how to play the AH and make gold that way. Hell, I know people that gold cap’s multiple toons simply from selling m+ carries.
While the token might not be an amazing solution, it’s a decent one that allows players to legitimately do what they were doing before, while letting other players have the same opportunity. Yes, it makes Blizzard extra money, which is why it’s considered a compromise to a solution.
I’m more interested in what other people think would have been a better alternative. No one seems to come up with anything that resembles a good solution. Most answers I see are to just ban bots and gold sellers, but I don’t think people really understand that stuff like that takes time to investigate. It also is hard to prove in some cases. Then, comes the fact that true gold sellers just have a different account waiting.

[PgStckr]

how about you can buy literally everything with money with the token around? achievements? buy a carry. gear? buy a carry. expensive, exclusive mounts like the brontosaur? just buy like a dozen tokens. as long as the token exists, there is no value for the general community for most things. the legion tower skins are very rare exceptions since that was completely solo so you'd have to break the TOS to get help with that. mounts, gear, and titles used to really mean something to other players but now most people don't care.

the token has made the game p2w and the general player base (including me when the token first released) don't seem to realize that.

Isn't that, well, the point of money, whether real or in-game ones?

[Ghostile]

how about you can buy literally everything with money with the token around? achievements? buy a carry. gear? buy a carry. expensive, exclusive mounts like the brontosaur? just buy like a dozen tokens. as long as the token exists, there is no value for the general community for most things. the legion tower skins are very rare exceptions since that was completely solo so you'd have to break the TOS to get help with that. mounts, gear, and titles used to really mean something to other players but now most people don't care.

the token has made the game p2w and the general player base (including me when the token first released) don't seem to realize that.

It always was, just restricted to those with more money or a foot in the market.
Nothing is astronomically expensive and you can afford the same boosts if you run professions.

We've sold tier pieces for gold since vanilla.