We will probably see a new Class during the Worldsoul Saga

[Lorgar Aurelian]

IF BLIZZARD REALLY WANTS, Elune could be the creator of all life on Azeroth, or the universe. Even Murlocs could be a type of Elf. And retcons can support any given scenario we WHAT IF.

Retcons can support any thing, but this wouldn’t even be a retcon it would be them saying what the night elfs have thought since WC3 was right which obviously is different then “oops all elves”.

[Ielenia]

If they are from another planet evolved from a completely different origin, what makes them Elves?

Their physical characteristics? "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck..."?

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It's you the one that needs to proof that those aliens unrelated to Azeroth are night elves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden...f_(philosophy)

No. No, it's not. Because I did not assert they're night elves. I said they could be night elves, or "night elf'-like. And my position is supported by the existence of similar if not outright same species between Azeroth and alternate Draenor.

On the other hand, you asserted that those other four night warriors were not night elves or "night elf"-like.

My making an assertion, you adopted the burden of proof.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Well, we have to consider that Elune is also worshiped as Mu'sha by the tauren, and i don't think they ever represented Mu'sha as an elf, but as an eye of the earth mother. Also, trolls look elf like already (long pointy ears), so the elven look isn't that much of a change from them, they just get to stand more upright, get a few more fingers and toes and loose their tusks.

I’d think it would have to come down to trolls being the base line as they are already some what elvish and then get further refined.

Trolls as it stands now are the only race likely to be natural to other planets as there the only race who as of yet don’t have an origin based off Titan tinkering unlike the tauren who were shaped by the mogu.

[Al Gorefiend]

IF BLIZZARD REALLY WANTS, Elune could be the creator of all life on Azeroth, or the universe. Even Murlocs could be a type of Elf. And retcons can support any given scenario we WHAT IF.

Everything could be a form of Elf at that point, and midnight ends up being an expansion that unites 'all races touched by Elune's light' meaning... All races.


I think this veers too far from lore, and we're just talking about validating baseless speculation on the mere fact that it could be possible, if Blizzard Wanted. I don't think this supports the actual likelyhood for extraplanetary Elves evolving outside of any Azeroth connections.

If it opens up the lore for more playable demon hunter races I accept the "we are all elves" theory.

[Enrif]

https://www.chromie.de/world-of-warc...rklich-kommen/

here's the survey about classes, don't have time right now, will translate it later into english

got to translate it, here it is:

Survey Page 1:
When you choose which class you want to play in WoW, which of the following information sources do you use or find useful? Choose all that apply

Survey Page 2:
When you choose a playable class in WoW, which of the following factors do you consider

Survey Page 3:
If WoW would add a new class, which role should it have?

Survey Page 4:
Answer the following questions for the concept of a Tinker class:
Prismatic: As heirs to titanic Power, Prismatics are carriers of cosmic powers that can not only be used in their purest forms, but their transcending powers can be merged to new powers. They refine and focus the power of life to heal allies, or the powers of order to protect themself, or they merge the combined powers of death and shadow to deal damage to enemies.

Survey Page 5:
Answer the following questions for the concept of a Tinker class:
Bard: Supporter, Healer and Tanks, that utilize the Song of Azeroth to cast mighty spells, support their allies and weaken their enemies. Bards shine in a group, empowering and improving the spells of others and at the same time bringing numerous songs and auras to help their group reach new heights.

Survey Page 6:
Answer the following questions for the concept of a Gunner class:
Gunner: Quick, offensive ranged combat characters that wield two pistols at the same time. They apply different elemental effects to their weapons to create the deadliest arsenal of destruction against their foes.

Survey Page 7:
Answer the following questions for the concept of Astrologian class:
Astrologian: Mighty spellcasters that use the cosmic powers of the stars and gravity to deal devastating damage. They utilize celestial energies to cast spells, manipulate gravitational fields, summon meteor swarms and create star explosions.

Survey Page 8:
We want to present a few extra class concepts now. Some of them were already presented, others are new. Please take your time to read each concept carefully, then click on next when you are ready to proceed.

As a reminder: Not all ideas you will see here are currently considered or in development and we ask you to keep all content of this survey confidential.

Apothecary: Masters in the creation of potions and brews, which they use to harm enemies and empower and heal allies. They create unique combinations of elements, do give potions varieng effects, be it explosive, toxic or granting extreme power.

Astrologian: Mighty spellcasters that use the cosmic powers of the stars and gravity to deal devastating damage. They utilize celestial energies to cast spells, manipulate gravitational fields, summon meteor swarms and create star explosions.

Bard: Supporter, Healer and Tanks, that utilize the Song of Azeroth to cast mighty spells, support their allies and weaken their enemies. Bards shine in a group, empowering and improving the spells of others and at the same time bringing numerous songs and auras to help their group reach new heights.

Witch: Damagedealers and Healers that use “old magic” to reach towards darker, natural powers. They magic includes curses, familiars, rituals, spiritual connections, poisons, decay and more. This class builds onto the teachings of witches and dark magicians of WoW, including the witches of Drustvar, the gilnean harvest witches, the decay gnolls and troll hexes and spirit magic.

Celestials Lancer: Warrior, that use spears and titan magic, that are empowered by the gods for quick jumps and strikes.

Battlemage: Battlemages empower their weapons with the might of the elements, to aid their allies, weaken foes and create constructs to control the battlefield.

Artificer: Melee based Tanks,Damagedealer and Healer, that use a mix of handmade machines and titan-technology. Mechanic-reactive gear is the foundation of their power, while utilising new weapon types like extendable flails or reactive shields. This class is on the frontlines of battles and protects and supports their team with their inventions.

Sruvery Page 9:
Leyweaver: Leywaver are connected via leylines to the natural powers of Azeroth. Their connection to these arcane power lines allows them to move quickly along them and to manipulate the unseen energies that flow through everything - they help allies, deal damage to enemies or buff and debuff as wanted.

Gunner: Quick, offensive ranged combat characters that wield two pistols at the same time. They apply different elemental effects to their weapons to create the deadliest arsenal of destruction against their foes.

Prismatic: As heirs to titanic Power, Prismatics are carriers of cosmic powers that can not only be used in their purest forms, but their transcending powers can be merged to new powers. They refine and focus the power of life to heal allies, or the powers of order to protect themself, or they merge the combined powers of death and shadow to deal damage to enemies.

Gunslinger: Cunning and agile melee combatants that use two pistols are once. Their sharp eyes allow them to see the weak points of enemies and deal with them quickly.

Titankiller: Titankillers combine the sword fragments of Taeshalach and Gorribal to use the powers of Gorshalach and connect to the cosmic powers of the titans, to destroy any threat to Azeroth.

Necromancer: Summon an army of undead that follow your commands and overrun enemies in combat. They combine different summoning spells to build the perfect army.

Tinker: Genius inventors, who have uncovered the secrets of the titan technology, and using it to protect their allies, heal wounds and attack enemies. Through their understanding of machines. tinkers can create inventions (custom made skills/spells), control Mech-Suits and deploy mechanical constructs to create an advantage in combat.

Warden: Versatile, armored hunters, who with their art of chakrams and traps, devastating ranged and melee attacks employ.

Spellbreaker: Melee characters that specialised in the combat against magical powers.They ward magic, but they can also empower their gear with the magic of their enemies to improve their combat capabilities.

Survey Page 10:
Following you find description pairs that could describe games. Please choose the options that mostly reflect yourself.

Survey Page 11:
Please pick the class, which you would likely play in WoW, and which you would likely NOT play in WoW
Astrologian, Tinker, Celestial Lancer, Spellbreaker, Necromancer

Survey Page 12:
Please pick the class, which you would likely play in WoW, and which you would likely NOT play in WoW
Gunslinger, Battlemage, Warden, Apothecary, Leyweaver

Survey Page 13:
Please pick the class, which you would likely play in WoW, and which you would likely NOT play in WoW
Tinker, Necromancer, Titankiller, Artificer, Witch

Survey Page 14:
Please pick the class, which you would likely play in WoW, and which you would likely NOT play in WoW
Gunner, Spellbreaker, Prismatic, Gunslinger, Warden

Survey Page 15:
Please pick the class, which you would likely play in WoW, and which you would likely NOT play in WoW
Celestial Lancer, Gunner, Leyweaver, Artificer, Titankiller

Survey Page 16:
Please pick the class, which you would likely play in WoW, and which you would likely NOT play in WoW
Battlemage, Tinker, Witch, Apothecary, Prismatic

Survey Page 17:
Please pick the class, which you would likely play in WoW, and which you would likely NOT play in WoW
Warden, Astrologian, Gunner, Bard, Leyweaver

Survey Page 18:
Please pick the class, which you would likely play in WoW, and which you would likely NOT play in WoW
Spellbreaker, Witch, Bard, Celestial Lancer, Gunslinger

Survey Page 19:
Please pick the class, which you would likely play in WoW, and which you would likely NOT play in WoW
Apothecary, Bard, Artificer, Battlemage, Gunner

Survey Page 20:
Lastly, we would like to know which class concept would be most interesting for you, if you could play it in WoW.

Survey Pages 21+:
generic questions

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IF this is real (personally feel like it's kind of suspicious that they'd only do this in German when English is Blizzard's primary language- aren't these surveys usually in English too?), it sounds like there's some interesting stuff there. I read in another thread that it has Bards based on the Radiant Song- which sounds like a good way to introduce them that fits the Saga well imo- and Artificers and Tinkers both being Titan-based, but with Titans using turrets and mechs and Artificers using Iron Man armor? Definitely not the route I'd expect from Artificers but it could be cool.

I'll have to wait for the rest to be translated, even if it is fake these ideas seem interesting.

i would think this is just one that got leaked, while none of the english ones got leaked. Also, it is likely that english based ones are found fasters by blizzard comapred to non-english ones.

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i think this survey has a randomization factor for pages 4 to 7. So surveys other people got might have different classes in these spots. I think so, cause it's weird that tinker got mentioned in the question for the prismatic and bard, but later we see tinker, prismatic and bard are different classes.

So, people shouldn't conclude that prismatic, bard, gunner and astrologian are the most likely classes. They are possible all likely in one way or another.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Assuming the translated survey is real it looks like it includes pretty much any class that has been brought up here in depth, though the cosmic gravity one doesn’t mentioned the void.

[Enrif]

So, my opinion on this:

i think there is a lot of interesting stuff here.

First and foremost: I think we can shelf the discussion about tinker not using titan tech. Blizzard seems quite clear that, if there is a tinker class at this point, it would use titan tech.

What i have translated as Constructeer is probably better translated to Artificer, as the title Artifcer used by Romuul is in the german version Konstrukteur, the german word in the survey for that class.

There are many classes that seem to be very strongly indicating a titan connection, so i think this shifts the new class to TLT instead of Midnight.

I HATE the gunner and gunslinger. I don't want another weapon type in the game that is usable by only one class.

Their take on Warden is... awkward. I see where they are coming from, but the way it is written there, it could be just a hunter hero spec.

There are a few classes, which got already discussed in this threat and they are quite similar to what were discussed: Astrologian and Witch especially.

The Bard was very unlikely for me to be a class. But seeing how they want to tie it with the song of azeroth, the radiant song? Could be interesting, but would be very out of left field for me.

Titankiller, is... somewhat of a spoiler i feel. I mean, we knew, something had to happend to that sword, but this could imply a story, that taeshalach and goribal are again fused together, and that could mean sargeras gets cleansed? And that would make him the last titan, as the other titans are technically already dead.

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Assuming the translated survey is real it looks like it includes pretty much any class that has been brought up here in depth, though the cosmic gravity one doesn’t mentioned the void.

yes, no void. I was careful not to overlook it. Only one class uses shadow, the prismatic. But it was shadow, not void. Which might mean, we won't get a void based class.

[deviantcultist]

The survey looks weird because some of those classes do seem to make sense for the Saga but asking about them on poll now cannot change anything for their development.

Kinda funny how stuff like Celestial Lancer and Astrologian are straight up copied out of FFXIV. Meanwhile, they should be aware that unlike FFXIV, WoW does not have dedicated Void class like FFXIV had Dark Knight as a poster kid for Shadowbringers.

Like others said too, the celestial/cosmic stuff work too but again I'm left wondering what's the intention of this poll if it's even real.

[Enrif]

Like others said too, the celestial/cosmic stuff work too but again I'm left wondering what's the intention of this poll if it's even real.

I think it is real, for a single reason: Artifcer. Or rather the german word used here: Konstrukteur. Konstrukteur is used in WoW for the translation of Artificer, see these NPCs

https://www.wowhead.com/de/npc=17406/konstrukteur <- German: Konstrukteur
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=17406/artificer <- English: Artificer

The translation of Artificer to Konstrukteur is very odd, and not something done simply in a google translator or so, as this is not a common translation, or even a rare translation. i don't think i would find it anywhere else. Even the D&D Artificer is translated as Werkmeister or Handwerker, but not Konstrukteur.

[Triceron]

Their physical characteristics? "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck..."?

That's not how races are defined in Warcraft. Blood Elves don't look like night Elves, and are still Elves. Kul Tiran are still human despite bring practically ogre sized. Looking and quacking like a duck is not how we define a duck in Warcraft.

Convergent evolutions also exist in Warcraft, many races that look similar are still defined as being different. Trolls and Haranir for example.

Also, we already see that the other Night Warrior alien races were not Night El es because they literally do not 'look or quack like a duck'. Occams razor works against you here. Burden of proof is already presented by stonewright and Khalliq, neither which remotely hint at having night elf origins while Khalliq hints to be of a completely different race considering she was not from azeroth. Had Blizzard wanted her to be a Night Elf they wouldn't need to make her an alien. We clearly aren't looking at something that looked or quacked like a duck.


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Retcons can support any thing, but this wouldn’t even be a retcon it would be them saying what the night elfs have thought since WC3 was right which obviously is different then “oops all elves”.

Them thinking they are descended from Elune doesn't mean it makes other Elune worshipping/descrndrd races into Night Elves. They could merely be a sister race with similar beliefs but not the same origin. But that doesn't make them Elves or Night Elves.

Luna'lai Zandalari also revere 'Elune', suddenly they could be Elves because of their beliefs?

[Al Gorefiend]

Gunner/Gunslinger/Tinker all being mentioned as separate classes from eachother looks promising to me. The 3 concepts can be one, makes me think it's been fleshed out enough that they can branch in those different directions.

Some of those ideas like Titankiller look like red herrings

[FossilFree]

I like the idea of basing bards on the Radiant Song. That makes them the Champions of Azeroth (the worldsoul) and means they would probably use azerite powers.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Them thinking they are descrndrd from Elune doesn't mean it makes other Elune worshipping races into Night Elves.

Luna'lai Zandalari also revere 'Elune', suddenly they could be Elves because of their beliefs?

It wouldn’t be the belief that would make them elves it would be elune taking an active role in shaping them.

On Azeroth that would take the form of her doing it through the well of eternity like the night elfs have believed, on other planets it could be a different catalyst. The tree elune gave Eonar could be a good way to do it and Mabye if it wasn’t torn out all trolls would have turned to night elfs and Elune did the same thing on other planets.

[Al Gorefiend]

I like the idea of basing bards on the Radiant Song. That makes them the Champions of Azeroth (the worldsoul) and means they would probably use azerite powers.

As speculated earlier in the thread, Bard makes sense

[Triceron]

If it opens up the lore for more playable demon hunter races I accept the "we are all elves" theory.

I've never considered DH an elf exclusive class. Even the TTRPG was open to non Elf races.

Draenei and Orc already make sense as potential lore candidates. Blizzard just needs to put the effort into making new demon forms, that's the only real hangup.

[Eldryth]

The survey looks weird because some of those classes do seem to make sense for the Saga but asking about them on poll now cannot change anything for their development.

Kinda funny how stuff like Celestial Lancer and Astrologian are straight up copied out of FFXIV. Meanwhile, they should be aware that unlike FFXIV, WoW does not have dedicated Void class like FFXIV had Dark Knight as a poster kid for Shadowbringers.

Like others said too, the celestial/cosmic stuff work too but again I'm left wondering what's the intention of this poll if it's even real.

The Lancer made me think that whoever came up with it clearly liked Dragon's Dogma's Mystic Spearhand, but I guess FFXIV fits too.

Given that so much of this survey fits TLT's themes, I suspect that if it's real, then it's probably gathering interest for that expansion in particular. Midnight, on the other hand, is probably far enough along that they would have already decided on its class (or lack of new class). So the lack of Void content here makes sense- it's too late for a survey to affect whether it's coming or not.

The translation of Artificer to Konstrukteur is very odd, and not something done simply in a google translator or so, as this is not a common translation, or even a rare translation. i don't think i would find it anywhere else. Even the D&D Artificer is translated as Werkmeister or Handwerker, but not Konstrukteur.

Yeah, but a German-speaking fan would be familiar with the translated term too, and it's not like the survey shows if they're familiar with the context behind that translation.

[Triceron]

It wouldn’t be the belief that would make them elves it would be elune taking an active role in shaping them.

On Azeroth that would take the form of her doing it through the well of eternity like the night elfs have believed, on other planets it could be a different catalyst. The tree elune gave Eonar could be a good way to do it and Mabye if it wasn’t torn out all trolls would have turned to night elfs and Elune did the same thing on other planets.

Even if true, that is not what defines the meaning of 'Elf' since it just means Elune can create sister races of similar beliefs. 'Elf' is specific to races that descend from ancient kal'dorei.

Like how curse if flesh doesn't unify all affected races as the same race. Human, Gnome, Trogg and Dwarf share similar origins but are clearly not the same.

Also it is counter intuitive to use existing race nomenclature for alien races. Much like it would be weird to assign the origin race for Draenei or Ethereals as a type of Troll, Human or Elf. Blizzard has no shortage of new terms for new races.

[Teriz]

https://www.chromie.de/world-of-warc...rklich-kommen/

here's the survey about classes, don't have time right now, will translate it later into english

Tinker: Genius inventors, who have uncovered the secrets of the titan technology, and using it to protect their allies, heal wounds and attack enemies. Through their understanding of machines. tinkers can create inventions (custom made skills/spells), control Mech-Suits and deploy mechanical constructs to create an advantage in combat.

Hmm, that easily ropes in Earthen Machinespeakers, and I do like the titan technology tie-in, which potentially gives us space for a TLT reveal.

Obviously mech suit piloting is a big win as well.

However, some of these concepts remind me a lot of Final Fantasy which is a little strange. I do like the titan killer concept, but that frankly sounds like talent in the Warrior class. In fact, quite a few of these concepts seemed like talent options for existing classes.

Spellbreaker: Melee characters that specialised in the combat against magical powers.They ward magic, but they can also empower their gear with the magic of their enemies to improve their combat capabilities.

That is admittedly rather cool concept, but I don't know how practical it is for a class.

[Triceron]

I do like some of these survey ideas but they don't scream Warcraft to me. On paper they sound too generic or fitting for a different setting, like Diablo classes.

Lack of a void class is also suspicious, but it could also mean they already have plans for one thus no need to survey for it and skew the poll data towards something they are actively working on.

[Enrif]

Yeah, but a German-speaking fan would be familiar with the translated term too, and it's not like the survey shows if they're familiar with the context behind that translation.

As a german, i can assure you, konstrukteur is not that well known among fans either, and most would rather went with artificer directly or tinker. As Konstrukteur implies a job (like builder), not a class.