2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[LilSaihah]

Ooph. Dems keep getting their teeth kicked in, but think decorum is the key. Lord help us.

I dunno dude, I think America's gonna need to help itself, miracles have a 3-day cooldown.

[DarkAmbient]

In communicating that message? Currently he’s probably laying low in not lashing out while Trump is “down,” so to speak. That’s common political decorum.

And I can tell you he’s going to have a better job enumerating on Trump’s many, many failures, shortcomings, and terrible policies and positions if he’s not spending all his time having to bat down democrats with cold feet talking about “optics.”

Biden creates those optics by way of his decrepitude. The next few months will be a punishing slog of campaigning, he's going to look so damn tired. What are the optics of supporting someone who is so visibly past his prime? This is what Dems with power will be thinking.

As for decorum, Trump isn't showing much of that right now:

As we move forward in Uniting our Nation after the horrific events on Saturday, this dismissal of the Lawless Indictment in Florida should be just the first step, followed quickly by the dismissal of ALL the Witch Hunts — The January 6th Hoax in Washington, D.C., the Manhattan D.A.’s Zombie Case, the New York A.G. Scam, Fake Claims about a woman I never met (a decades old photo in a line with her then husband does not count), and the Georgia “Perfect” Phone Call charges. The Democrat Justice Department coordinated ALL of these Political Attacks, which are an Election Interference conspiracy against Joe Biden’s Political Opponent, ME. Let us come together to END all Weaponization of our Justice System, and Make America Great Again!

[Xeones]

So it's a self-fulfilling prophecy you are describing. Left-wing candidates can't win because you won't let them.

And Americans unironically wonder why the top 2 presidential candidates are fascist-lite and fascist.

What? Is there another candidate other than Biden and Trump?

[Endus]

“You won’t let them” nothing. Bernie had his shot. Democratic voters chose other candidates.

What the balls is the obsession with Bernie? He's a decent dude, but his career's not particularly exceptional in terms of legislation and he's made plenty of attempts to be the candidate and he's never gotten anywhere.

Like, I'm a democratic market socialist, I'm closer to Bernie's point of view than most Democrats. And I still don't get the obsession. A tiny handful of people want Bernie. The rest don't. That's the reality. Move on.

[Kaleredar]

Biden creates those optics by way of his decrepitude. The next few months will be a punishing slog of campaigning, he's going to look so damn tired. What are the optics of supporting someone who is so visibly past his prime? This is what Dems with power will be thinking.

As for decorum, Trump isn't showing much of that right now:

Biden was a mumbling old man in 2020, and i never expected anything other than vitriol and bragging from Trump at any given moment. But the bar should not be “what would Trump do.”

Now don’t get me wrong. I wouldn’t mind a hair if Biden or the democrats started tearing into Trump for fostering the exact kind of violent rhetoric that got him shot at. But the public at large wouldn’t see it so charitably. They’d hear “Trump was shot at, and Biden is being mean to him.”

[shimerra]

So it's a self-fulfilling prophecy you are describing. Left-wing candidates can't win because you won't let them.

And Americans unironically wonder why the top 2 presidential candidates are fascist-lite and fascist.

No I'm not. Learn to read please.

And what words mean.

[Kathranis]

voting for a republican candidate and voting for Trump specifically are not necessarily the same thing

There are a some never Trumpers but they are few and far between. Even Nikki Haley is fully endorsing him despite being a vehement critic of him during the primaries.

Republicans have no spines, and for many of them Trump is just a means to an end. He markets himself as an outsider but he gave the Republicans everything they wanted and pushed their agenda forward. Project 2025 seeks to use Trump to institute a sweeping restructuring of the government so that they can retain power as a minority party even after he's gone.

Except that timeline is backwards. The donation in his name to ActBlue came first, when he was still 17. Later that year, after his birthday, he registered as a Republican, and the county has confirmed that he voted as a registered Republican the following year.

It's literally not even the same Thomas Crooks. The guy who made the donation is a 69 year old man living in Pittsburgh.

[Draco-Onis]

What the balls is the obsession with Bernie? He's a decent dude, but his career's not particularly exceptional in terms of legislation and he's made plenty of attempts to be the candidate and he's never gotten anywhere.

Like, I'm a democratic market socialist, I'm closer to Bernie's point of view than most Democrats. And I still don't get the obsession. A tiny handful of people want Bernie. The rest don't. That's the reality. Move on.

I would have to look up who said it but during the Biden frenzy one rep openly talked about how the establishment came together to make sure Sanders didn't win. A lot of hoopla about him is a lot of people were certain he was sabotaged which was passed off as conspiracy theories and that's now opening old wounds. I am not sure about the obsession either the DNC has proven that they will do anything to stop progressive candidates. We don't have a left wing party and it's next to impossible to do it from within.

[Edge-]

Ooph. Dems keep getting their teeth kicked in, but think decorum is the key. Lord help us.

Do you think continuing attack ads right now would help the Democrats and Biden campaign or something?

[js3915]

Man... Only if the CIA could of picked a dude that could of aimed better we would be in a different timeline...

[Paranoid Android]

Do you think continuing attack ads right now would help the Democrats and Biden campaign or something?

Umm, Yes.

Keep calling a fascist as fascist. Who we gonna offend; The Fascist?

[Draco-Onis]

The hell does sanders have to do with anything? He isn’t running. “Oh but if Biden stepped down than Bernie could come in and win the election and then he could wave his magic wand and we’d all be living in the land of cookies and marshmallows.”

It was tiring in 2020, it’s tiring now.

Democrats need to stop bitching and moaning, frankly. Biden is going to be the candidate, and people need to come to peace with that. So instead of undermining him but saying “oh dang but he looks old,” maybe give it a sec for the hubbub to fade around Trump’s kerfuffle and then focus on how Trump’s a convicted criminal, liable sexual assaulter, chronic narcissistic liar, and willing participant in installing a fascist state, and that some Republican whackjob taking a shot at him doesn’t change that.

I don't see how Biden can make a comeback without doing things he is unable to, he isn't going to release cognitive tests and he simply doesn't have the stamina to do the campaigning needed to bring the numbers back up. The reps and senators that have called him to step down can't walk that back, the major donors aren't going to waste money on his campaign especially after publicly cutting him off.

Maybe there's some angle I am not seeing that can lead to a Biden come back? mathematically speaking even if he had a 1% chance of winning he technically could still win so there's that.

[Edge-]

Umm, Yes.

Keep calling a fascist as fascist. Who we gonna offend; The Fascist?

Do you think that won't turn off moderates who Joe needs to win? I think that might turn off moderate folks, personally. Not necessarily drive them to Donald, but turn them off of Joe.

It's a few day pause after someone took a shot at him, dude.

[Draco-Onis]

Do you think continuing attack ads right now would help the Democrats and Biden campaign or something?

They could still run pro Biden ads, play up his accomplishments or try to show he has a pulse maybe.

[Endus]

Do you think continuing attack ads right now would help the Democrats and Biden campaign or something?

Define "attack ads".

If you're attacking Trump's fascism and abominable policy stances, yes. The only people who'll get upset are Trump supporters, and they'll get angry and you sitting there eating a muffin if you don't have a MAGA hat on.

If they're violent rhetoric against Trump personally, maybe not, but when have Democrats really engaged in that kind of thing?

[Ulmita]

Hey,
I am not an American but I saw what happened to Trump last night and wanted to come here and express my sympathy to all of you. No matter the political views, this was a Kennedy moment.

From the videos I watched, the man saved its own life by randomly moving his head.

The shooting was also very weird for two reasons:
a) The shooter picked a roof inside the security perimeter which was covered by local police and SS (I think any logical person wouldn't have set shop close to ss snipers) and
b) The shooter was actually spotted by people and those people warned the local authorities who let him fire multiple shots and then took him out.

I don't want to imply anything but I would expect that SS wouldn't allow such things to happen. People should start resigning.

Lastly, love him or hate him, the pictures that are surfacing with his fist up, yelling fight, are the definition of badassm and will definitely go down in history.

[Kathranis]

What the balls is the obsession with Bernie? He's a decent dude, but his career's not particularly exceptional in terms of legislation and he's made plenty of attempts to be the candidate and he's never gotten anywhere.

Like, I'm a democratic market socialist, I'm closer to Bernie's point of view than most Democrats. And I still don't get the obsession. A tiny handful of people want Bernie. The rest don't. That's the reality. Move on.

He had 49% of the primary vote in 2016 against Hillary's 51% before he got ratfucked by the DNC, and he was neck and neck in 2020 before Clyburn endorsed Biden ahead of Super Tuesday. I don't think anyone expects him to run again at his age but to pretend he's not a broadly liked figure in politics is just ridiculous.

Maybe it's cope but if he'd been the nominee in 2016 I think we probably wouldn't be in this mess currently.

[Edge-]

I don't see how Biden can make a comeback without doing things he is unable to, he isn't going to release cognitive tests and he simply doesn't have the stamina to do the campaigning needed to bring the numbers back up. The reps and senators that have called him to step down can't walk that back, the major donors aren't going to waste money on his campaign especially after publicly cutting him off.

Maybe there's some angle I am not seeing that can lead to a Biden come back? mathematically speaking even if he had a 1% chance of winning he technically could still win so there's that.

Cognitive tests won't matter lol. People will explain away results however they want. Stamina? Dude's been out running events and campaigning on schedules that would tucker out a lot of folks while people are like "BIDEN OLD" because he does very much sound old otherwise. Y'all are reinforcing those narratives every time you post stuff like this.

The officials who have called for him to step down can't walk that back, you're right. They're fucking stupid, undisciplined, and self-interested in their behavior and everyone should be pointing that out to them. I've kinda enjoyed watching AOC, Sanders, and even Fetterman all be on the exact same page on this topic recently.

What can lead a comeback? Dropping interest rates (possibility, it's heading that way), continued economic improvements, some kind of October surprise, Democrats outperforming polls as they have in multiple elections recently etc. etc.

I'm not saying it's a sure thing, I'm not saying it's not still a toss-up and deeply uncertain. But people are talking like it's Joever 4 months out from the election and my dudes have we all forgotten how much changes in the matter of a week and how short attention spans are?

[Endus]

Do you think that won't turn off moderates who Joe needs to win? I think that might turn off moderate folks, personally. Not necessarily drive them to Donald, but turn them off of Joe.

It's a few day pause after someone took a shot at him, dude.

Apologies for the Truth Social link, but Trump's engaging in attack rheteoric against Democrats as we speak.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...91026080012056

If the victim's gonna be launching attack rhetoric and ads themselves, against people who were in no way responsible for the shooting, why would it be "bad" to fire back in kind?

[Xyonai]

Hey,
I am not an American but I saw what happened to Trump last night and wanted to come here and express my sympathy to all of you. No matter the political views, this was a Kennedy moment.

From the videos I watched, the man saved its own life by randomly moving his head.

The shooting was also very weird for two reasons:
a) The shooter picked a roof inside the security perimeter which was covered by local police and SS (I think any logical person wouldn't have set shop close to ss snipers) and
b) The shooter was actually spotted by people and those people warned the local authorities who let him fire multiple shots and then took him out.

I don't want to imply anything but I would expect that SS wouldn't allow such things to happen. People should start resigning.

Lastly, love him or hate him, the pictures that are surfacing with his fist up, yelling fight, are the definition of badassm and will definitely go down in history.

Yeah Trump couldn't have asked for a better photo op. Which is, then, honestly baffling to me that the polling needles have barely moved since the shooting yesterday. Maybe we just need to wait and see but I could see Trump squandering these optics if Conservative double down on their deranged rhetoric in the wake of this shooting.