2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Milchshake]

I remember the 2020 thread having some very loud, single-issue-student-debt-forgiveness guys...

Are they coming back to support their pet issue with the same verve and force? Or were just a bunch of poseurs?

[Edge-]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/where-...g-over-the-gop

But the world doesn’t need to believe TPM or the Washington Post to know Robinson has issues with women and various minorities or that he makes no apologies for it. Thanks to his extensive Facebook history, we can hear it from the man himself. One of the many occasions where he spelled things out was a post from April 2013 where he expressed frustration with the “recognition” given to “single mothers and gays.” After suggesting these groups were not “the ones that please GOD,” Robinson offered an all caps postscript for emphasis:

“YES I SAID IT! NO I’M NOT SORRY I DID!! IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT UNFRIEND ME!!!!”

I'm just linking the end, but Talking Points Memo has a great article about how the GOP has functionally been overtaken by a Facebook comments section. It uses North Carolina Lt. Governor and current gubernatorial nominee Mark Robinson as a case study and is mostly focused on him, but it's something we see playing out all over the country too, including that Jan. 6 loser that walked out of his debate after he posted his comment with his mouth. He wasn't there to discuss, he was there to drop a flaming bag of poop and leave without elaboration. That's the Republican party now, and why things usually start going sideways when they try to actually get anything done.

Unless you Ron DeSantis, at least - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/a...-b2564958.html

Then he's going to weaponize his states list of residents with medical marijuana prescriptions to spam them with wholly unrelated news posts letting them know the governor signed a budget. What did the state budget have to do with their prescription and health? Nothing at all, actually, it was just a big list of potential voters that Ron wasn't leveraging yet.

[unfilteredJW]

Then he's going to weaponize his states list of residents with medical marijuana prescriptions to spam them with wholly unrelated news posts letting them know the governor signed a budget. What did the state budget have to do with their prescription and health? Nothing at all, actually, it was just a big list of potential voters that Ron wasn't leveraging yet.

That cunt getting mad at the press for not fluffing them is something else.

[Edge-]

That cunt getting mad at the press for not fluffing them is something else.

While I've never had a prescription, if I did and my states governor emailed me, through that list, to brag about some unrelated budget signing I would absolutely be making a trip up to the capitol to egg his office. I wonder if there are any laws or rules against misusing information about medical patients for non-medical reasons.

[Kathandira]

I wonder if there are any laws or rules against misusing information about medical patients for non-medical reasons.

Oh boy are there! Federal rules and laws as a matter of fact. Do we have another felon on our hands here?

[Flarelaine]

While I've never had a prescription, if I did and my states governor emailed me, through that list, to brag about some unrelated budget signing I would absolutely be making a trip up to the capitol to egg his office. I wonder if there are any laws or rules against misusing information about medical patients for non-medical reasons.

*laughs in Hungarian*

I've been receving party propaganda from the Covid PSA address which I had to sign up to to register for vaccination.

Make America Eastern Bloc again!

[Teriz]

I remember the 2020 thread having some very loud, single-issue-student-debt-forgiveness guys...

Are they coming back to support their pet issue with the same verve and force? Or were just a bunch of poseurs?

Posers. The grifters on the left moved from that issue to the Gaza issue now, and now claim they can't vote for Biden because of it.

My wife's student debt was forgiven by Biden's policies, and that helped us quite a bit financially.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Posers. The grifters on the left moved from that issue to the Gaza issue now, and now claim they can't vote for Biden because of it.

My wife's student debt was forgiven by Biden's policies, and that helped us quite a bit financially.

If it's PSLF I do not believe those loans can be "reinstated" as those loans are forgiven under existing law.

[Kaleredar]

If it's PSLF I do not believe those loans can be "reinstated" as those loans are forgiven under existing law.

If trump can’t do it, why did he say he could?


Moreover, “don’t worry, Trump’s campaign threat to put millions of people back into debt isn’t really a threat because he couldn’t do it no matter how much he wanted. No need to vote for Biden” isn’t the sterling sentiment you might think it is

[Somewhatconcerned]

If trump can’t do it, why did he say he could?


Moreover, “don’t worry, Trump’s campaign threat to put millions of people back into debt isn’t really a threat because he couldn’t do it no matter how much he wanted. No need to vote for Biden” isn’t the sterling sentiment you might think it is

I have no idea why he said it, nor do I care. Maybe to play to his base?

Either way try living in reality instead of being afraid all the time.

[Shadowferal]

Trump likely believes he can divert that money to pay his own bills.
...yes. he's that stupid.

[Kaleredar]

I have no idea why he said it, nor do I care. Maybe to play to his base?

Either way try living in reality instead of being afraid all the time.

You know what's better than supporting someone who promises wild and crazy spiteful things, and then hoping that all of their wild and crazy spiteful promises are otherwise sidelined or prevented?

Not supporting them. And instead supporting people who... you know, don't say those things.

I remember back when people were saying there's no way that Roe v. Wade would ever be repealed. How did that work out?

When terrible people threaten things out of malice, maybe don't try and handwave them off. Because your whole shtick between the Republican's "Leopards eating people's faces party" and the democrat's "protecting people from leopards party" has been a constant bring down of the democrats framed as "well they can't possible protect everyone from leopards so they're disingenuous" and then saying "as for the leopards, they can't eat everyone's face, so why worry?" about the Republicans is doing just that.

[Teriz]

If it's PSLF I do not believe those loans can be "reinstated" as those loans are forgiven under existing law.

Probably not, but I'd rather not take any chances. I'm also not keen on voting for someone who wants to purposely put my family into debt for no reason beyond abject cruelty.

[Kaleredar]

Probably not, but I'd rather not take any chances. I'm also not keen on voting for someone who wants to purposely put my family into debt for no reason beyond abject cruelty.

No no no, he’s not necessarily saying that you should vote for the guy that’s spiteful, he’s just saying that you also shouldn’t vote for the guy who forgave the debt in the first place because the spiteful guy can’t succeed at being spiteful, so really what’s the difference!?

[Teriz]

No no no, he’s not necessarily saying that you should vote for the guy that’s spiteful, he’s just saying that you also shouldn’t vote for the guy who forgave the debt in the first place because the spiteful guy can’t succeed at being spiteful, so really what’s the difference!?

Yeah, it reminds me of the people who told me that Trump would never really institute a Muslim ban, and then as soon as he got into office he instituted a Muslim ban.

[Kaleredar]

Yeah, it reminds me of the people who told me that Trump would never really institute a Muslim ban, and then as soon as he got into office he instituted a Muslim ban.

That people are still bandying about the notion of “how bad can Trump be?” after we had four long, grating years of his incompetency and malice tells you they’re either stupid, disingenuous, or both.

“Trump 2024: don’t worry, his malice is checked by his incompetence!”

[Benggaul]

That people are still bandying about the notion of “how bad can Trump be?” after we had four long, grating years of his incompetency and malice tells you they’re either stupid, disingenuous, or both.

This is exactly why, while I'm able to forgive people who voted for him in 2016 because they felt like "the establishment" wasn't working for them, anyone voting for or supporting him from 2020 on can go get fucked. There were four long, arduous years of getting acquainted with his "style" in the Oval Office and it was patently obvious literally from day one that he is a bigoted fuck who surrounded himself with other bigoted fucks with the sole purpose of putting more money into their pockets at the expense of the lower and middle class.

[gondrin]

https://newrepublic.com/post/182844/...n-debate-drugs



Republicans are already starting to lay the foundation for Trump's eventual debate losses. They think Biden is getting performance enhancing drugs. Maybe they should look into some of their own if they think this is so real.

When in doubt, go with stuff that has already been used before. He claimed back in 2020 that Biden was juicing.

[arandomuser]

its crazy that because of bidens policies we recovered from covid in about 3 years, but after 2008we had stagnation for 8 years because republicans intentionally held up fiscal spending under obama, (they stopped blocking spending bills as soon as trump was elected)and this is why voters dont see trump as bad they just think " oh economy did good butcovid happened and things got better quick so its not his fault" when if it werent for biden and his fiscal packaged we would of had a much longer recover and be like UK and canada which werent as bold. biden will lose because voters live in a bizzaro world where things are the opposite of reality

[tehdang]

its crazy that because of bidens policies we recovered from covid in about 3 years, but after 2008we had stagnation for 8 years because republicans intentionally held up fiscal spending under obama, (they stopped blocking spending bills as soon as trump was elected)and this is why voters dont see trump as bad they just think " oh economy did good butcovid happened and things got better quick so its not his fault"

Voters will remember that Biden promised versions of transitory inflation, inflation being actually good, inflation being bad and Trump's fault, and inflation is fine now let's not talk about the accumulated price increases, ok? That's weighing in Trump's favor, and it's partly due to Biden's messaging around inflation and COVID recovery. I don't really fault voters for it one bit. Had Biden foreseen that inflation was coming and both predicted and blamed it on COVID spending/aftermath from the start, he'd be standing much better.

And it will always be slightly unfair when voters remember how prices used to be towards the end of Trump, but won't offset that by changes in household income and all that.

when if it werent for biden and his fiscal packaged we would of had a much longer recover and be like UK and canada which werent as bold.

It's a really tough counterfactual talking about what things might have been if only Trump's stimulus/covid relief passed, but not both Biden's and Trump's. The flip side of your claim is that the economy was already recovering and would've recovered faster had not Biden lumped more on top of it. I don't feel very strongly either way on that point.

biden will lose because voters live in a bizzaro world where things are the opposite of reality

He's still competitive where it matters, and will be favored to win if he does a good debate performance and campaigns well against Trump's downsides when the election gets closer. He should be well up right now, but for some reason the campaign team is trying to focus on Biden being real spry behind the scenes, and the televised senior moments are all deceptive edits and misinformation. Biden needs a revamped campaign and probably massive personnel changes in the campaign staff. At least some combination of Biden and his campaign staff chose to participate in debates at this juncture, and Biden has performed pretty well in the past.