2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[masterhorus8]

Wrong.

"Nearly one-third of voters said they need to know more about Harris. Nearly half of voters said Harris is too liberal, while Trump was seen as more of a centrist. More than half of voters said Harris is partly responsible for the border. More than half of voters said Harris is too “risky” a choice and represents “more of the same.”

https://thehill.com/newsletters/even...ead-of-debate/

It's almost as if polling people on the right think they're "the average". Nothing new.

[Odinfrost]

Wrong.

"Nearly one-third of voters said they need to know more about Harris. Nearly half of voters said Harris is too liberal, while Trump was seen as more of a centrist. More than half of voters said Harris is partly responsible for the border. More than half of voters said Harris is too “risky” a choice and represents “more of the same.”

https://thehill.com/newsletters/even...ead-of-debate/

How the FUCK is Trump anything close to a centrist?!

[Somewhatconcerned]

How the FUCK is Trump anything close to a centrist?!

Probably more of an indictment on Harris, more than anything.

[masterhorus8]

Probably more of an indictment on Harris, more than anything.

Wtf are you talking about? "This person is so far left of me that I'm a centrist"?

[PACOX]

Wrong.

"Nearly one-third of voters said they need to know more about Harris. Nearly half of voters said Harris is too liberal, while Trump was seen as more of a centrist. More than half of voters said Harris is partly responsible for the border. More than half of voters said Harris is too “risky” a choice and represents “more of the same.”

https://thehill.com/newsletters/even...ead-of-debate/

What you quoted doesn't contradict what 8 said nor do I disagree with it.

Saying Harris is too liberal hurts her on both sides. Conservatives would like to pull her the right, progressives would like her to move left. Liberal in the American sense is losing real estate to the culture wars in the country.

She had no official policies until this afternoon so if course people can say they don't know her, especially compared to Trump who has been yapping nonstop for 8+ years. Anyone who is moody interested in politics can recite his rallies. Harris doesn't have 8 years of campaigning to reference.

More than half of voters said Harris is too “risky” a choice and represents “more of the same.”

The American voter is a contradictory specimen. How can people say she is too risky and more of the same is a bunch of nonsense. But a bunch of vibe based nonsense is how people vote.

[Poopymonster]

How the FUCK is Trump anything close to a centrist?!

Well, when you say stupid shit that is spun as being from both sides it averages out.
Cut taxes for the rich and fuck the poor is a republican position.
Remove the brown people but not penalize the employers hiring them which is a republican position.
He also has said seize the guns which is positioned as a major democratic party plank in their platform by the media.
It averages out!
Notice this only shit he says, the actual meat and potatoes he's implemented/working on implementing are conservative positions.

[PACOX]

How the FUCK is Trump anything close to a centrist?!

Trump is a centrist in that centrists is a bastardized term used by the Right. They want you to believe they mean moderate but it why not just say that, right? It's a way to dupe people into believing they are "reasonable" before they start spewing their right-wing rhetoric.

American centrism is conservatism meant to appeal to twitchy middle aged people who are still afraid of words like "progressive" and "leftists".

[Kaleredar]

Ah yes the "concerned centrist" here to cluck his tongue about "Harris' failing and nonexistent chances, why even resist the divine and enlightened presence that is Trump?" Right on time.

Something bad must be coming down the pike for Trump. It's like when the Russian shills come out cheering about Russia's latest warcrime; you know it means that some Russian airfield got shredded.

[PACOX]

Ah yes the "concerned centrist" here to cluck his tongue about "Harris' failing and nonexistent chances, why even resist the divine and enlightened presence that is Trump?" Right on time.

Something bad must be coming down the pike for Trump. It's like when the Russian shills come out cheering about Russia's latest warcrime; you know it means that some Russian airfield got shredded.

Trump dodges bad press like he made of Teflon. MF is a convicted felon, habitual liar, campaigning on law and order and family values. Red voters don't care. Harris on the other hand need to make sure she can more the needle in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, she need to keep just enough people engaged and satiated enough to vote. Trump will have a guaranteed number of votes regardless of what he says unless this MF has a health scare right before the election again.

[Kaleredar]

Trump dodges bad press like he made of Teflon. MF is a convicted felon, habitual liar, campaigning on law and order and family values. Red voters don't care. Harris on the other hand need to make sure she can more the needle in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, she need to keep just enough people engaged and satiated enough to vote. Trump will have a guaranteed number of votes regardless of what he says unless this MF has a health scare right before the election again.

Sure, I never said otherwise.

[Gorsameth]

Trump dodges bad press like he made of Teflon. MF is a convicted felon, habitual liar, campaigning on law and order and family values. Red voters don't care. Harris on the other hand need to make sure she can more the needle in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, she need to keep just enough people engaged and satiated enough to vote. Trump will have a guaranteed number of votes regardless of what he says unless this MF has a health scare right before the election again.

You forgot liable sexual assaulter

[cubby]

You forgot liable sexual assaulter

And failed businessman.

[Rasulis]

And failed businessman.

GOP voters want somebody with six (6) corporate bankruptcies to manage the US economy.

[Benggaul]

Oh good, one of the resident sealions popped up out of their boggy waters to be fed.

[postman1782]

Probably more of an indictment on Harris, more than anything.

It's not. You are just gullible.

[cubby]

It's not. You are just gullible.

The willfully ignorant and the cognitively dissonanced are targets to be ignored or [in our spare time] mocked. Recent posts indicate that the MAGAts have received their marching orders. I expect to have some dang good posts shortly.

[Endus]

Wrong.

"Nearly one-third of voters said they need to know more about Harris. Nearly half of voters said Harris is too liberal, while Trump was seen as more of a centrist. More than half of voters said Harris is partly responsible for the border. More than half of voters said Harris is too “risky” a choice and represents “more of the same.”

https://thehill.com/newsletters/even...ead-of-debate/

What you should take a moment to recognize is that this isn't a condemnation of Harris, it's a condemnation of the American electorate. Willful ignorance and delusional thinking have overtaken rationality for many. Kowtowing to the insanity isn't a tenable option, long-term. It just means the insanity gets a primary place at the table, and ensures an inevitable (at that point) spiral of American democracy into chaos, because rational discussion of policy is no longer meaningful in the electoral process.

It's entirely possible that the USA is already a failed nation, and we're witnessing the start of the death throes, but trying to cast shame on those still trying to save the patient is just blatant gaslighting.

[postman1782]

The willfully ignorant and the cognitively dissonanced are targets to be ignored or [in our spare time] mocked. Recent posts indicate that the MAGAts have received their marching orders. I expect to have some dang good posts shortly.

Yep, and they just happen to be Russian misinformation.

[Tech614]

Harris's polls are not disastrous but she didn't capitalize on the momentum she had. She was doing a lot better when she was pivoting to the left than this rightward Biden 2.0 stance she has adopted. Race is far from over, Trump is still unfavorable and 100% beatable but it should make people think about the Democratic strategy and why the likes of Trump can still hold on while being extremely unpopular. It's like being the party that bails out the GOP isn't the assured when of the past.

When was she ever pivoting further left than Biden though? All I saw was people hoping she would, not her actually doing so then they come out with surprised pikachu face when her policies largely aren't different from Biden or Obama or Hillary the last 3 democrat nominees. The democratic party could not be anymore up front they aren't ready for a true left shift after Bernie lost twice. It is what it is, but this isn't hurting numbers with large voting support this is just making online leftists mad. The average democrat voter is way more conservative than leftists want to admit, they just aren't openly evil people like most of the republican voters.

[PACOX]

When was she ever pivoting further left than Biden though? All I saw was people hoping she would, not her actually doing so then they come out with surprised pikachu face when her policies largely aren't different from Biden or Obama or Hillary the last 3 democrat nominees. The democratic party could not be anymore up front they aren't ready for a true left shift after Bernie lost twice. It is what it is, but this isn't hurting numbers with large voting support this is just making online leftists mad. The average democrat voter is way more conservative than leftists want to admit, they just aren't openly evil people like most of the republican voters.

Her 2020 run was left of Biden. She always presented herself as left as a VP and Walz is a straight up progressive. There's Democrats who call themselves liberal but are actually moderates, she has classified as a liberal for a little while now.

Im not mad about. It expect it because the party has been the way it is since Carter. I these fairly progressive governors she had to put choose from in places considered rural and/or red a few years ago signal a way people in this key states vote compared to the larger Democratic body. NY and California Dems might be moderate but the Dems or people will vote Dem in key states are looking for strong labor supporting liberal and progressive candidates, hence their governors. They are also fickle voters. Pivoting too far to the right isn't going to win them over.

IDK. I think the easiest path to victory is Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, which Harris can secure it she stops trying to play Biden's middle of the road tune. Seems like she wants to go through Georgia SC and the southwest? Those are in my commentating from the sidelines opinion, much harder to secure.