2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[gondrin]

as if you would have it any other way, lmao.

You know, that thumbnail you have is the same exact look when I try to listen to when Trump speaks as if my brain decides it had enough and calls it a day because of all the lies, absolute gibberish and the constantly changing of subjects because Trump cannot actively start a sentence with the ability to finish it.

[Edge-]

You know, that thumbnail you have is the same exact look when I try to listen to when Trump speaks as if my brain decides it had enough and calls it a day because of all the lies, absolute gibberish and the constantly changing of subjects because Trump cannot actively start a sentence with the ability to finish it.

It's got pretty big salad cat energy, tbh. I can grok that.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Substance over nonsense. Biden didn’t do great and he should have. But all Trump did was lie all night.

Biden fumbled, but over all the debate didn’t move any needle for anyone focused on substance.

[gondrin]

It's got pretty big salad cat energy, tbh. I can grok that.

I had the debates on in the background off and on and everytime I actually watched it, Biden has the same exact look as when Johnathqn Swan did when interviewing Trump.

Anyone with half a brain would have that look when Trump speaks.

EDIT: Fixed the name.

[Paranoid Android]

Biden looks old and acts old. He could solve this for people who want to soundly defeat Trump by just stepping aside. Biden could have done the right thing and I wish the leadership as much as they can, told him a long time ago just do the one term. He is selfish.

In defense of me I have 8 years of speaking on the threat of Trump. Biden has tried some policies as much as he can, I always push more and left but he has at least put some forth. Yet, if Biden stepped aside to keep democracy that is what he should do.

[Fahrenheit]

Substance over nonsense. Biden didn’t do great and he should have. But all Trump did was lie all night.

Biden fumbled, but over all the debate didn’t move any needle for anyone focused on substance.

On substance? No, it didn’t.

But to not particularly politically active voters, that don’t pay attention to anything beyond, say… the first 20 mins of the first debate? Yeah Trump was totally full of shit, every third word was a lie, but Biden looked and sounded like he was 1 step in the grave. I’m not about to bet on the American public to drill down to substance in 2024. In such a close election… this wasn’t good.

[Doctor Amadeus]

On substance? No, it didn’t.

But to not particularly politically active voters, that don’t pay attention to anything beyond, say… the first 20 mins of the first debate? Yeah Trump was totally full of shit, every third word was a lie, but Biden looked and sounded like he was 1 step in the grave. I’m not about to bet on the American public to drill down to substance in 2024. In such a close election… this wasn’t good.

Nah people who aren’t watching for the right reasons think Biden needs to be as animated as Trump. Trump is an idiot even if hes more animated.

[PACOX]

Biden looks old and acts old. He could solve this for people who want to soundly defeat Trump by just stepping aside. Biden could have done the right thing and I wish the leadership as much as they can, told him a long time ago just do the one term. He is selfish.

In defense of me I have 8 years of speaking on the threat of Trump. Biden has tried some policies as much as he can, I always push more and left but he has at least put some forth. Yet, if Biden stepped aside to keep democracy that is what he should do.

I don't even care if Biden is old, the debate was a tactical fuck up. Why give Trump a chance to platform his bullshit. And everyone knows CNN would gladly platform his shit for rating. They could have just let Trump continue to fight for air with all his legal troubles. Now he is validated as a candidate worth fighting a traditional race with. Come on.


Fortunately people will forget about this debate before Nov but there's still a 2nd debate and of course conservatives will be replaying this shit out of context until the sun goes black.

[Kathranis]

It's actually interesting seeing how many Democrats are actually pitching replacing Biden now. Even some Republicans worried that they might tag in a younger candidate who can perform better.

Would be nice if the DNC pulls its head out of its ass and realizes they can't keep coasting on the anti-Trump vote and pushing moderates and geriatrics.

[tehdang]

The Dems have to find another candidate in the convention. There’s just no way Biden spins this successfully for having a cold and whatever comes out tomorrow.

His campaign allies spent a lot of political capital on accusing Republicans of doctoring video to make Biden look old. And Biden goes to a debate, and looks old. And Trump doesn’t need to have a good debate performance when the alternative looks like that. Dems need an alternative that talks clearly and hits Trump’s vulnerabilities hard, and Biden is not it.

Open convention in Chicago, if Dem party leaders have any sense (and talk some sense into Joe).

[Milchshake]

The Dems have to find another candidate in the convention.

Naw, you need to find another avatar more ...

[DarkTZeratul]

His campaign allies spent a lot of political capital on accusing Republicans of doctoring video to make Biden look old. And Biden goes to a debate, and looks old. And Trump doesn’t need to have a good debate performance when the alternative looks like that. Dems need an alternative that talks clearly and hits Trump’s vulnerabilities hard, and Biden is not it.

"It doesn't matter that Trump is completely full of shit, Biden looks old and that's just the worst."

[The Stormbringer]

positively joyous at the thought of how this pans out in November and this magically becomes the millennial's/leftist's/zoomer's fault, again.

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I mean if ya'll are not seriously thinking of swapping Biden out with ANYONE else at this point do not come to me whining about how no one told you you could have done something different.

tHey CaN sTIlL SwAp oUT bIdeN WITH soMeoNe eLse!

That's you, that's how you sound. I'm gonna get infracted for this, but are you fucking stupid? This late in the game, you think they could swap to someone else and have even the slightest chance in winning? That's a complete vote of 'no confidence' for the current administration, and any and all support that Biden presently has would be up in the air. Biden could have a heart attack tomorrow and still have better chances at winning in November than someone new that no one fucking knows or cares about.

Either get a grip, or more realistically, stop being a troll.

[Very Tired]

Seeing a lot of the paradox I've always seen for a while now. There is absolutely no bar for Trump. He lies, talks out of his ass, says the most insane crap, and we all brush it aside saying "That's just Trump."

However, Biden still has a bar, and he's falling short of it by sounding so old. But still, why is it still a contest when his opponent has no standards?

[uuuhname]

tHey CaN sTIlL SwAp oUT bIdeN WITH soMeoNe eLse!

they can? but they won't, so they deserve to lose. see you in November.

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Seeing a lot of the paradox I've always seen for a while now. There is absolutely no bar for Trump. He lies, talks out of his ass, says the most insane crap, and we all brush it aside saying "That's just Trump."

However, Biden still has a bar, and he's falling short of it by sounding so old. But still, why is it still a contest when his opponent has no standards?

at what point are you going to understand conservatives have none? this isn't about winning over Trump voters. it's about winning over people who will want to come out to vote at all. a problem that continues to confound for some reason.

[Kaleredar]

Short of Biden kicking the bucket before the election, he's going to be the Democratic candidate. He was going to be the democratic candidate this entire time, ever since his win in 2020. Anyone thinking otherwise was deluding themselves.

Attempt to move the conversation on from there, because it's really tiring.

[cubby]

The Dems have to find another candidate in the convention. There’s just no way Biden spins this successfully for having a cold and whatever comes out tomorrow.

His campaign allies spent a lot of political capital on accusing Republicans of doctoring video to make Biden look old. And Biden goes to a debate, and looks old. And Trump doesn’t need to have a good debate performance when the alternative looks like that. Dems need an alternative that talks clearly and hits Trump’s vulnerabilities hard, and Biden is not it.

Open convention in Chicago, if Dem party leaders have any sense (and talk some sense into Joe).

Incorrect. Swapping out Biden now would not work, as he's already won the primaries. There is no mechanism for "swapping out a candidate" at this stage. Period.

The "old" argument is also continuously disingenuously adorable as Trump is only a few years younger. Please continue to ignore that as well - along with Trump's continued cognitive decline.

This is also another GOP talking point that will come out of tonight. Disregarding entirely the litany of lies Trump spewed the entire debate. You'll also notice that you don't have any criticism of Trump....

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Short of Biden kicking the bucket before the election, he's going to be the Democratic candidate. He was going to be the democratic candidate this entire time, ever since his win in 2020. Anyone thinking otherwise was deluding themselves.

Attempt to move the conversation on from there, because it's really tiring.

Precisely. Unless Biden dies, he's the DNC candidate for 2024.

Now, after he wins a second term, I could see him resigning. Giving Harris or another person (complicated maneuver there) a shot at the office sub-2 years.

[VMSmith]

"It doesn't matter that Trump is completely full of shit, Biden looks old and that's just the worst."

It boggles my mind that people really focus on this silly shit. I mean, we're not voting for Carnival-Barker-in-Chief, right? I'm voting for whoever is going to do the best job for ALL the people of this country, not the person who can talk the slickest and loudest at a debate. Why do we even have debates? It's not like anyone changes their mind based on them and it's not like debating skills figure into the actual job of running a country. It's a sideshow so that networks can have something to talk about and people can try to sound smart about.

I'm voting Biden. He could crap his pants and mumble the entire debate and that ain't changing, because I trust him to enact the policies that are best for most people, as far as he is able.

And none of this is even touching the fact that Trump came off like an insane clown fighting personal grievances that stem back to him losing the last election, which clearly broke him. How many times did the moderators ask him if he would accept the election results before he gave something resembling an answer (it wasn't)?

[Todd Duval]

Biden basically confirmed the caricature Trump gave him in all the propaganda about being too old, so this is going to hurt.

We had some real gem quotes in this debate though. Who ever expected a Presidential Candidate would need to refute that they did not commit adultery and have sex with a porn star.

[PACOX]

Trump lied as usual.

The Biden campaign and DNC lied to themselves.