2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Muzjhath]

I'm not going to suggest anyone vote for Donald Trump (or any other US-Republican candidate for that matter - he's not uniquely bad, he's just the loudest American fascist). However, at some point Americans need to come up with a way to break the two party system that enables late-stage rent-extracting "capitalism" as their ruling class. If you always vote for the "lesser evil", you find yourself on an inescapable path of shallow steps to hell. I certainly don't see any way for the United States of America to dig itself out of its ever-deepening political hole - I think it's going to crash, hard, likely within my lifetime - so all I can really suggest is that anyone who can get themselves as far away as they securely can (and if you can't get away, find a decent remote rural location with a good community to try and weather the storm, but even that is nearly impossible, as much of rural America is hollowed out, insane, or both).

As I've repeatedly said. Work from the bottom up. Keep the outright fascists out of power. Replace local, regional, state, etc.

[postman1782]

Well that was something.

I'd say either dems bump off Biden and put someone who is not sleepwalking at helm or just roll with... this... and take an L.

Why are you not saying worse about Trump? Trump had to be asked the same question 4 times. He never answered a question straight, he always went to some other topic. Trump lied about everything, Biden at least stayed on topic and was truthful about almost everything.

[Gaidax]

Why are you not saying worse about Trump? Trump had to be asked the same question 4 times. He never answered a question straight, he always went to some other topic. Trump lied about everything, Biden at least stayed on topic and was truthful about almost everything.

Because Trump did not look like a walking corpse that can barely put a message across.

In these debates what important is the optics.

[postman1782]

Because Trump did not look like a walking corpse that can barely put a message across.

In these debates what important is the optics.

Neither was Biden. Biden answered every question. Trump couldn't even stay on topic. Trump lied about everything, he lied that abortion was happening after birth, literally nothing he said was true. If anything thinks that Trump won that debate, they are fucking delusional.

[Mekh]

Eh no one watched this debate looking for facts. We have the facts. People watched this to see performance; ability to articulate facts and do so clearly. Yeah Trump is a lying liar who lies. But Biden was a flop last night. He is three years older, he looked a decade older.

Yeah Trump sure clearly articulated facts last night.

[DarkAmbient]

Holy shit that was worse than I expected. Imagine wheeling a barely animated husk onto the stage to compete with a motormouthed bullshitter. Not to mention the format was trash. Embarrassing for all concerned. Everyone lost.

[Odinfrost]

Yeah Trump sure clearly articulated facts last night.

Are these the mythical alternative facts that Kellyanne Conway talked about many a moons ago?

[Mekh]

Are these the mythical alternative facts that Kellyanne Conway talked about many a moons ago?

I have now watched the thing in its entirety and am thus able to accurately summarize the randos who have jumped into this thread during the last 5 pages, no matter if trolling or genuine:

"Oh no, the old man was competent but boring. Whatever shall we do if he dies halfway through his next presidency and an equally competent but boring VP takes over? Let's vote the entertaining fascist clown instead."

If this truly reflects our American electorate, it's what we deserve.

[Elder Millennial]

The biggest loser was American democracy. But I won't sugarcoat this.

Biden lost, badly.

[ati87]

Neither was Biden. Biden answered every question. Trump couldn't even stay on topic. Trump lied about everything, he lied that abortion was happening after birth, literally nothing he said was true. If anything thinks that Trump won that debate, they are fucking delusional.

Trump is the definition of verbal diarrhea when he talks, however, Biden looked worse.

It's one thing to talk about toilets and spend hours on how they don't flush any more (not part of the debate I know) but it's totally different when you start a sentence, and you end up mumbling because (and this happened multiply times) you forgot what the question was and the fact that you were talking.

Biden looked bad, and you should accept this, and his campaign bloody new about this.

Biden’s advisers have said that the decision to skip the interview was because they wanted to give the already fatigued public a break from politics during the big game.

No political campaign skips free publicity that provides a massive reach because it's held during one of the biggest events in the US. This isn't how politics works.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah Trump sure clearly articulated facts last night.

Do you really want to check how all the news sites perceived the debate?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bid...us-2024-06-27/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgedpw4r5eo
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/p...ate/index.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/...dential-debate
https://apnews.com/live/presidential...e-2024-updates

So Trump lied. What's new? The debate gives Democrats nothing new to attack Trump with. Heck I'd say he was less abrasive than I expected him to be. The GOP meanwhile has so much more footage for attack ads. So yeah, Biden flopped this.
Sure, a live fact checker would have destroyed Trump. But he wouldn't debate in front of a live fact checker cause his team is not that stupid.

[DarkAmbient]

Sky News: Unmitigated disaster for Biden
Guardian: Calls for Biden to stand aside grow after shaky debate performance against Trump
BBC: Stumbling Biden unable to corner Trump on debate falsehoods
CNN: Biden has shaky debate showing as Trump repeats falsehoods
Al Jazeera: Biden falls flat against Trump in first 2024 US presidential debate
Die Welt: Now the Democrats are considering replacing Biden after all
France24: Biden stumbles, Trump lies in first US presidential debate of 2024
El Pais: Biden fails to ease concerns about his age in debate with Trump
Euro News: Biden stumbles and Trump tells tall tales during first election debate
Japan Times: At first debate, Biden stumbles amid Trump's barrage of falsehoods
Hindustan Times: Biden stumbles; Trump establishes dominance in presidential debate

[Nymrohd]

Sky News: Unmitigated disaster for Biden
Guardian: Calls for Biden to stand aside grow after shaky debate performance against Trump
BBC: Stumbling Biden unable to corner Trump on debate falsehoods
CNN: Biden has shaky debate showing as Trump repeats falsehoods
Al Jazeera: Biden falls flat against Trump in first 2024 US presidential debate
Die Welt: Now the Democrats are considering replacing Biden after all
France24: Biden stumbles, Trump lies in first US presidential debate of 2024
El Pais: Biden fails to ease concerns about his age in debate with Trump
Euro News: Biden stumbles and Trump tells tall tales during first election debate
Japan Times: At first debate, Biden stumbles amid Trump's barrage of falsehoods
Hindustan Times: Biden stumbles; Trump establishes dominance in presidential debate

And most of these sites are firmly anti-Trump.

[Polgara]

If there's anything we should trust, it's the same media that benefits from Trump's shithouse antics in power. Fucking hell some of you need to AT LEAST read manufacturing consent. Media tells you Trump won because it fits the narrative that Biden looked old and demented, but fuck me Trump looked worse.

[Mekh]

People watched this to see [...] ability to articulate facts and do so clearly.

".. which is why Trump won."

Don't be angry at me because your phrasing makes you look retarded.

[Nymrohd]

I have now watched the thing in its entirety and am thus able to accurately summarize the randos who have jumped into this thread during the last 5 pages, no matter if trolling or genuine:

"Oh no, the old man was competent but boring. Whatever shall we do if he dies halfway through his next presidency and an equally competent but boring VP takes over? Let's vote the entertaining fascist clown instead."

If this truly reflects our American electorate, it's what we deserve.

He really looked competent to you?

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".. which is why Trump won."

Don't be angry at me because your phrasing makes you look retarded.

Articulating facts is very different from having these facts be true, you understand that right? Seriously this tribalist clownery that you cannot admit Biden lost this debate as if they'll exile you from the progressive kingdom.
And I guess I did not phrase it properly. Trump did not win. He just lost less than Biden did. They both lost, Trump just lost much less.

[diller]

I have now watched the thing in its entirety and am thus able to accurately summarize the randos who have jumped into this thread during the last 5 pages, no matter if trolling or genuine:

"Oh no, the old man was competent but boring. Whatever shall we do if he dies halfway through his next presidency and an equally competent but boring VP takes over? Let's vote the entertaining fascist clown instead."

If this truly reflects our American electorate, it's what we deserve.

It's the US you have to be an energizer bunny to be president.

[Nymrohd]

If there's anything we should trust, it's the same media that benefits from Trump's shithouse antics in power. Fucking hell some of you need to AT LEAST read manufacturing consent. Media tells you Trump won because it fits the narrative that Biden looked old and demented, but fuck me Trump looked worse.

Almost all of that media is international. Trump hijinks is not their bread and butter. You can absolutely level that against CNN but the rest?

[KrayZ33]

Man, I came here to check this thread because I was so curious to what people have to say about having to choose between a senile corpse and a fat idiot who is unable to say the truth even if his life depended on it.

What the hell happened. This is like having to choose between Scholz and Scholz with an eyepatch.


I wouldn't be able to vote for either president/party if I knew either one of them is going to lead the country for the next years.
Biden just *can't* remain on top, he is about to die as soon as someone releases a wet fart in his general direction. You can clearly tell that he is about to lose his mental capacity as well.
And Trump *can't* become president because he is the most unrealiable human being I've ever seen in that position or a postion of importance in general.


USAs "two party system" or voting mentality sucks ass man. Jesus christ, this was horrible to watch.

[Mekh]

Articulating facts is very different from having this facts be true, you understand that right?

You do know what "fact" means, you moron?