2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Iphie]

"She's an attractive white lady"?

For certain values of attractive...(I do not find her attractive at all.)

[Celista]

...how? Outside of being a Trump she has nothing. She has no credentials or credibility to appeal to moderate Republicans or "respectable" conservatives or anything, the closest there would be her trying to insert herself into conversations with world leaders at events and them, at best, politely tolerating her pretending to be one of the big kids. Outside of not having a few dozen homes worth of baggage and skeletons in the closet like her father (and she still has plenty), what's her appeal to the traditional white collar GOP beyond, "She's an attractive white lady"?

And for MAGA simply being a Trump isn't enough. It goes a long way, but it's not enough to get them excited and energized like Donald does - Ivanka can't muster the same kind of hateful, malicious vitriol behind her words to make the, "He's not hurting the right people!" crowd feel confident she'd hurt the right people like her father would.

And again...the Jared angle does present a risk. Unless she follows in her fathers footsteps and assures this sub-section of Republican voters by dining with some Nazis or something. You know, like her father did.

MAGAts are basically in a cult, Trump's popularity rivals (and perhaps supercedes) the popularity of Reagan. The Bushes were never as popular and they were still able to elect two Bushes into office.

I do think her being a Trump is enough for this reason. Her being Jewish means little, the evangelical right fetishizes Jewish people because they think they are God's chosen people. I guess some motorcycle gang members with swaztika tattoos may care, but the voter base on the right is not known for being rational. The level of cognitive dissonance over there is insane. I don't think it will be much of an issue.

She is what the GOP venerates: the right kind of woman (a mother, blonde, attractive), diplomatic and cultured. She is and will continue to be idealized.

If anything her being female is more of an issue on the right because they are even more misogynistic than they are racist/religiously bigoted. An impressive feat.

[Endus]

I do think her being a Trump is enough for this reason. Her being Jewish means little, the evangelical right fetishizes Jewish people because they think they are God's chosen people.

Yeah, no. Christian Zionism supports Israel because of how deeply anti-semitic they are. Christian Zionism is about bringing about the apocalypse, and Jewish possession of certain sites in the Holy Lands are deemed necessary for that, so the whole thing is more ensuring that Jews are at ground zero of the god-bomb you're looking to detonate to end the world. That's hate, not support. There's a reason they stand shoulder to shoulder with "Blood and Soil"/"Jews will not replace us"-chanting Nazis. They're both anti-semitic in pretty similar ways.

[Sunseeker]

I knew a good number of MAGA simps back in 2016 who unequivocably stated they'd vote for Ivanka just because they thought she was hot and wanted to fuck her.

So I would absolutely buy she could ride a wave of cishet assholes into office like her daddy did the first go around, but for different reasons.

She wont though, unless she loses her mind, which hey, given how Trump himself is falling apart, isnt off the table!

[Celista]

Yeah, no. Christian Zionism supports Israel because of how deeply anti-semitic they are. Christian Zionism is about bringing about the apocalypse, and Jewish possession of certain sites in the Holy Lands are deemed necessary for that, so the whole thing is more ensuring that Jews are at ground zero of the god-bomb you're looking to detonate to end the world. That's hate, not support. There's a reason they stand shoulder to shoulder with "Blood and Soil"/"Jews will not replace us"-chanting Nazis. They're both anti-semitic in pretty similar ways.

I agree but I don't think evangelical Christians see it that way. In a past life I went to an evangelical church (trauma and growing up in a red state does strange things to a person) and am up close familiar with the thought processes and behavior. There is a lot of sending money to Israel, visiting Isreael/the holy lands, etc that has been going on for decades.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1197956512

[Shadowferal]

Hmf...Ivanka could...at times she reveals she's smart and quick on the uptake of things, when she doesn't reveal how tone deaf she can be.
But she doesn't want a career in politics. She doesn't want that level of scrutiny...a scrutiny that is far into minute details than her former celebrity status had subjected her. A scrutiny that her husband and his "deals" probably wouldn't withstand in the public eye.
Far better for her family if she simply played up the socialite.

[Poopymonster]

I knew a good number of MAGA simps back in 2016 who unequivocably stated they'd vote for Ivanka just because they thought she was hot and wanted to fuck her.

So I would absolutely buy she could ride a wave of cishet assholes into office like her daddy did the first go around, but for different reasons.

She wont though, unless she loses her mind, which hey, given how Trump himself is falling apart, isnt off the table!

Brings back strong "VP MILF!" vibes from McCain's campaign.

[uuuhname]

This was after they asked about his lying about being in China for the events of Tiananmen Square, and had to be asked again because he middle class upbringinged the answer. This was cringe y , especially since they had to ask twice why he lied. It's probably going to be the soundbite most used from the debate. But I guess you guys can keep saying he won the debate.

only MAGA cultists could convince themselves that China and whatever proxies you think they have WANT to bring attention to Tiananmen square, lmfao.


please, keep harping on about this, makes you look so normal.

[Sunseeker]

Brings back strong "VP MILF!" vibes from McCain's campaign.

Yep, same dipsimps.

[fwc577]

I knew a good number of MAGA simps back in 2016 who unequivocably stated they'd vote for Ivanka just because they thought she was hot and wanted to fuck her.

So I would absolutely buy she could ride a wave of cishet assholes into office like her daddy did the first go around, but for different reasons.

She wont though, unless she loses her mind, which hey, given how Trump himself is falling apart, isnt off the table!

She is hot and I would fuck her. I'd never vote for her though. I'd give her the responsibility of raising my children but not running the country.

[postman1782]

The debate was...normal? Surprisingly so, which seems to be reflected in the polling that I've seen. Pretty even. Which I would say might even be a Vance win. If you didn't know much about him, you might think he was rather reasonable after watching the debate.

Even Fox News said Walz won.

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My favorite Walz line was “All I said on this was, I got there that summer and misspoke on this, so I will just – that’s what I’ve said”

This was after they asked about his lying about being in China for the events of Tiananmen Square, and had to be asked again because he middle class upbringinged the answer. This was cringe y , especially since they had to ask twice why he lied. It's probably going to be the soundbite most used from the debate. But I guess you guys can keep saying he won the debate.


It's the difference between someone being relaxed in front of questions because they take questions every day and someone who has taken no questions being put in a spotlight. JD Vance looked calm, didn't insult his opponent, and made everything about the current Harris administration policies. He did everything Donald Trump couldn't do and made it look effortless like a normal politician would during a debate.

Vance got destroyed, even Fox news said he lost when he wouldn't say Trump lost.

[Shadowferal]

It may be going into off-topic land, but it segues nicely; IVANKA TRUMP STEPS UP IN HURRICANE RELIEF EFFORT[i]



...she ain't fooling me...it's just pr shit

[Edge-]

It may be going into off-topic land, but it segues nicely; IVANKA TRUMP STEPS UP IN HURRICANE RELIEF EFFORT[i]



...she ain't fooling me...it's just pr shit

Completely aside, I think Medic Corps needs to update their 501(c)3 nonprofit status, because their EIN is 1 digit too short and they don't show up in the IRS search. Unless I'm missing something. Their work seems legit based on their social media channels, otherwise. Just an odd bit.

BACK ON TOPIC - https://archive.is/4kcqk

Republican nominee Donald Trump spoke for 33 minutes before his first mention of the ostensible focus of his remarks.

Signs reading “SCHOOL CHOICE,” “EDUCATION FREEDOM NOW” and “LET PARENTS DECIDE” decorated a small auditorium, and a panel of speakers preceding the former president focused on using public funds to let families choose between public and private, especially religious, schools. Trump read from a binder containing a prepared speech on the subject, and he switched abruptly between the text and a jumble of other topics.

“We can be nice and we can be politically incorrect, but the only thing they’re going to do there is cheat on elections, and we just can’t let this happen,” he said at one point. Without warning, he continued: “The city of Milwaukee is the home of first and oldest choice program.”

He spoke of “a million Rambos.” “Turnarounds” and “gotaways” and “dead-head spending.” He mixed up Iran with North Korea and strained to pronounce United Arab Emirates. He marveled at Hurricane Helene coming so late in the storm season, which typically runs through November. He falsely claimed government agencies can’t name the U.S. population, and he compared the conflict between Israel and Iran to “two kids fighting in the schoolyard.”

Trump, 78, often speaks in a digressive, extemporaneous style that thrills his fans at large-scale rallies. But Tuesday’s event, in front of almost entirely reporters, was especially scattered and hard to follow. Polls show voters’ concerns about Trump’s age and fitness have increased since President Joe Biden, 81, withdrew and was replaced as the Democratic nominee by Vice President Kamala Harris.

Trump spoke slowly and appeared tired. It was his second stop of the day, and he has picked up the pace of campaigning in recent weeks.

“I think I’m booked every single day for 33 days,” he said at the end of the news conference, incorrectly citing the number of days until the election, which is 35. “I’ve worked for 17 or 18 days when you say in a row, and I’m working even when I’m not working.”

Trump was more energetic during a speech to supporters in Waunakee, Wis., earlier Tuesday. He went on an extended riff about the 1987 film “Full Metal Jacket” and made up a false claim that Harris raised taxes as the San Francisco district attorney, which is not a power of that office.

Trump avoided direct questions about how he would address the escalating violence between Iran and Israel, by repeatedly insisting it never would have happened if he were president. He claimed he could settle that war, as well as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, with a single phone call apiece, but he declined to specify how.

“I don’t want to say what I’d use because I don’t want to give up negotiating abilities,” he said. He even boasted that with a second term he could have struck a peace deal between Iran and Israel.

He did not mention Tuesday’s vice-presidential debate or his running mate, Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), at either event until an hour and 20 minutes into the news conference when he was directly asked what advice he had given Vance.

“Have fun,” Trump answered.

Donald sounds like he's beginning to feel his age more often. Maybe this is why he backed out of 60 Minutes and is campaigning less?

[cubby]

Ted Cruz is begging for money, as one poll shows him just 1 point ahead of Colin Allred.

Would be beyond amazing if the Dems flipped Texas this year.

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It may be going into off-topic land, but it segues nicely; IVANKA TRUMP STEPS UP IN HURRICANE RELIEF EFFORT[i]

...she ain't fooling me...it's just pr shit

Ivanka might be the only Trump smart enough to try a run at the White House. I would think she would want nothing to do with politics. No gain in it for her. She's probably already a billionaire (along with an including Jared).

[DarkTZeratul]

Ivanka might be the only Trump smart enough to try a run at the White House. I would think she would want nothing to do with politics. No gain in it for her. She's probably already a billionaire (along with an including Jared).

Do you mean smart enough not to try a run at the White House? Because I feel like she'd be much more content simply running a shady business empire and lobbying politicians for the things she wants than putting herself in the middle of that again.

[Celista]

Do you mean smart enough not to try a run at the White House? Because I feel like she'd be much more content simply running a shady business empire and lobbying politicians for the things she wants than putting herself in the middle of that again.

I assume this was what was meant. Trump's sons are definitely going to try to run for something at some point. Luckily for us, they are deeply unlikeable. That is why I think Ivanka might get peer pressured into a run at some point, because it would benefit them tangentially.

[Belize]

I think Ivanka has it, but I don't think she is political enough to consider running without significant peer pressure from other family members.

Ivanka has all the personality of a meal consisting of Wonder bread and filtered water, she's getting absolutely nowhere politically ever.

[Celista]

Ivanka has all the personality of a meal consisting of Wonder bread and filtered water, she's getting absolutely nowhere politically ever.

Trump's personality is vomit inducing but look where he (unfortunately) is.

Ivanka's tepid personality is attractive to a certain type of person. Mostly wealthy white people.

[Roneth]

Even Fox News said Walz won.

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Vance got destroyed, even Fox news said he lost when he wouldn't say Trump lost.

Can you link this please. Even the highly conservative Politico said Vance won, so I'd like to see where fox news said he lost the debate...it's like all the people on here saying the "media" said he lost. The media like CBS who wrongly fact checked at least 3 times. Maybe it's MSNBC who has never said one good thing about a Republican. Or was it the media that ran the ABC debate?


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/02/o...9801f4da376138

Most of the 13 NY Times writers said Vance won the debate....those damn conservatives at the NY Times.

[Jastall]

Trump's personality is vomit inducing but look where he (unfortunately) is.

Ivanka's tepid personality is attractive to a certain type of person. Mostly wealthy white people.

Having a terrible personality is not the same thing has having none. Very different in fact, as the results show. It's a big reason why Trump attracts the MAGA types and, say, DeSantis completely failed to do so, despite both these people being grade A shitters.