2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[PhaelixWW]

Don't sully Fake-Edgar like that.

I was wondering where you got "Jake" from. I can't see a picture of D'Onofrio in that makeup without thinking of the wife's line about the "Egger" suit.

He was an amazing family-bug unlike Elon.

And that one leads to D'Onofrio's line about his "kids": "All 78 million of them. That's a lot of mouths to feed."

[PACOX]

Y'all should watch the full Saturday Trump rally if you want some good scary cult like entertainment for October.


Also if the Dems let Trump and the GOP get away with the Helene response slander they are going to hurt the momentum they can salvage.

[gondrin]

Wilhoit's Law: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

The backlash against "liberalism" or "progressivism" or whatever label the right-wing bogey-man is this month in America is rooted in the way that late 20th Century America started reaching some of its ideals (like "liberty and justice for all"). Not perfectly or completely, but actually starting to get a grasp on them. The conservatives (who at present are synonymous with the Republican Party in the United States) saw that they might be required to obeythe law, and that people who were not them could be protected by it, and went berserk. Stark, raving, mad. And they've never returned to sanity, and largely never will. They'll die before they every accept that "We The People" means all the people, or that "justice is blind" means that they don't get special treatment. (Again, I'm not trying to argue that the United States has or did accomplish that, just that it was starting to pay attention to doing something other than paying lip service to its own ideals.) The only real question left is when and how they will go to their graves, and how many others they manage to take with them. They've been insane for so long, many in the Anglosphere see right-wing American insanity as normal, or at least expected, even when its the sort of thing you normally see only from deeply dysfunctional regimes (such as: laughable ignorance, absurd hyperbole, reality-free rhetoric, and open and blatant corruption.)

It has been around far longer than the late 20th. It has always been an issue since the Civil War was a reality. If anyone looks at the laws made in the US at the local and state level, it is completely evident. When a lot of the laws got overturned in the 40s - 60s, that is when they went into overdrive. The whole Civil Rights movement is where the entire mindset of the conservative moment pretty much went into extremism that is completely similar to extremist groups in the Middle East, Far East and the like.

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The resemblance is uncanny

Nah, more like Full Metal Jacket's Staney Kubrick crazy man look.

[fwc577]

Y'all should watch the full Saturday Trump rally if you want some good scary cult like entertainment for October.


Also if the Dems let Trump and the GOP get away with the Helene response slander they are going to hurt the momentum they can salvage.

No thanks. I don't like to be scared / creeped out that much. I will stick to Midsommar.

[Lenonis]

Charlie Kirk will make a great contender for the GoP nomination in 2028

Wut?

First, his last name isn't Trump and I fully believe the GOP will go one of two directions post Donald:
1) Pick another Trump. Lara Trump is my bet, but they may go the Jr. route.
2) Pick any other awful person - DeSantis, Nikki, etc. Hell even MTG has a shot.

But what they aren't likely to do is pick some rando talk show host with no political experience. The political machine isn't likely to go that route when there is a whole host of awful people better suited to pick up the mantle.

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People keep talking about Trump being charismatic but I just don’t see it.

He's been a celebrity for decades. He has a cult who worships him. He may not be your flavor of charismatic but he clearly has something that draws people to him. Honestly I don't get it either but people with no charisma don't have the type of life Trump's led in the last 20ish years or so.

[Benggaul]

No thanks. I don't like to be scared / creeped out that much. I will stick to Midsommar.

Or Bone Tomahawk.

[Shadowferal]

Major North Carolina newspaper knocks Trump over Helene response ‘falsehoods’

“This is not a situation to capitalize on for political gain. But former President Donald Trump has politicized the situation at every turn, spreading falsehoods and conspiracies that fracture the community instead of bringing it together,” the editorial board of The Charlotte Observer wrote this week. “By every indication, state and federal agencies have been working to help people in need. They’ve been airlifting food and other supplies to affected areas.”

The Observer noted Trump’s statements in recent weeks claiming Democratic state and federal officials are “going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas,” and saying Vice President Harris “spent all her FEMA money, billions of dollars, on housing for illegal migrants.”

“There’s no evidence to support any of those ridiculous claims,” the newspaper shot back.

“Let’s be clear: Western North Carolina is not a political football. This is not a campaign opportunity,” the outlet continued. “The most unhelpful thing any politician — or anyone else — can do right now is spread misinformation and tell people that their government isn’t doing anything to help them.”

Public polling shows North Carolina as one of several key battleground states less than a month out from the election, with Harris and Trump virtually tied there.

“Sowing the seeds of political division is always an unnecessary and tiresome endeavor,” the Observer continued. “But doing so in times of great need, when unity is paramount, is particularly shameful.”

[Edge-]

Also if the Dems let Trump and the GOP get away with the Helene response slander they are going to hurt the momentum they can salvage.

I'd very much like for the White House to go hard on all the misinformation Republicans have been spreading. Very hard. Hold press conferences debunking the shit one by one, hold a "Twitter Fact-check" press conferences correcting Leon and the idiots he's signal boosting.

They won't, and they're fighting an uphill battle here since Twitter is spreading the misinformation at light-speed unchecked, Republicans are repeating it left and right, and media are want to repeat Republican claims endlessly, giving them credibility and validity by not aggressively debunking them in the process.

But really, I hope enough folks affected by these disasters, especially who tend to vote (R), notice what their fellow (R) voter is doing and the harm they're causing, notice the (R) politicians lie constantly, are seeing Republicans like Mike Johnson express zero urgency in ensuring hard-hit folks get the help they need and FEMA has the funding necessary to handle one recent hurricane and another that's very quickly approaching.

But apparently about half this country would rather have a guy who denies disaster aid requests, plays public "will he or won't he" games while delaying, and is also one of the biggest sources of the widespread misinformation to be sent back to the Oval Office so that's pretty fuckin rad, IMO.

[Valdhammer]

Major North Carolina newspaper knocks Trump over Helene response ‘falsehoods’

“This is not a situation to capitalize on for political gain. But former President Donald Trump has politicized the situation at every turn, spreading falsehoods and conspiracies that fracture the community instead of bringing it together,” the editorial board of The Charlotte Observer wrote this week. “By every indication, state and federal agencies have been working to help people in need. They’ve been airlifting food and other supplies to affected areas.”

The Observer noted Trump’s statements in recent weeks claiming Democratic state and federal officials are “going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas,” and saying Vice President Harris “spent all her FEMA money, billions of dollars, on housing for illegal migrants.”

“There’s no evidence to support any of those ridiculous claims,” the newspaper shot back.

“Let’s be clear: Western North Carolina is not a political football. This is not a campaign opportunity,” the outlet continued. “The most unhelpful thing any politician — or anyone else — can do right now is spread misinformation and tell people that their government isn’t doing anything to help them.”

Public polling shows North Carolina as one of several key battleground states less than a month out from the election, with Harris and Trump virtually tied there.

“Sowing the seeds of political division is always an unnecessary and tiresome endeavor,” the Observer continued. “But doing so in times of great need, when unity is paramount, is particularly shameful.”

Will any of this penetrate the Trump voter bubble though? Or reach the mythical undecided voter? Anyone in NC have any insight into how people there are reacting to Trump’s latest bout of being horrible and dangerous?

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...nts-rcna174271

In an interview on “The Hugh Hewitt Show” that aired Monday morning, former President Donald Trump criticized Vice President Kamala Harris for her policies on the southern border and suggested that migrants have “bad genes.”

“When you look at the things that she proposes, they’re so far off she has no clue. How about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers,” he said, referring to the vice president’s immigration proposals.

“Many of them murdered far more than one person, and they’re now happily living in the United States,” he added. “You know, now a murderer, I believe this, it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now. They left, they had 425,000 people come into our country that shouldn’t be here, that are criminals.”

HANZ, BREAK OUT THE FORCEPS WE'RE MEASURING CRANIUMS AGAIN

Yes, he's specifically speaking about immigration. Which to Donald, largely means "not-white people", as we've heard him lament the lack of immigration from Scandanavia or whatever.

Donald and Republicans keep sounding remarkably like Nazis when you actually listen to them.

Oh, and just because -

The 13,000 figure Trump cited is misleading. Immigration and Customs Enforcement told Congress in September that there are 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide living outside of ICE detention, but three law enforcement officials told NBC News that that figure doesn't include people who were detained outside of ICE enforcement because ICE doesn't keep track of incarcerations on the state or local level. Two law enforcement officials also told NBC News that many of them crossed the border before Biden was president (including during Trump's tenure).

Border crossings across the country have dropped this year, in part due to Biden administration policies and in part to Mexico's efforts (which followed pressure on the Mexican government from the Biden administration).

It's a bullshit claim to begin with based on lies.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/kam...cal-rcna174276

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is not taking calls from Vice President Kamala Harris about storm recovery just over a week after Hurricane Helene hammered parts of his state.

A source familiar with the situation said he was dodging the Democratic presidential nominee’s calls because they “seemed political,” according to a DeSantis aide.

“Kamala was trying to reach out, and we didn’t answer,” the DeSantis aide told NBC News.

The same person said “not to my knowledge” when asked if DeSantis had spoken to President Joe Biden.

Just a reminder: Republicans are actively playing politics with natural disasters because they will do literally anything if they think it will help their parties chances of winning, even if that means hurting the people they were elected to serve. Intentionally.

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https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1843023165167120885

DRINK RAW, UNPASTUREIZED MILK TO OWN THE LIBS!

Please do not do this. Please read the Twitter note with the extensive links to medical studies on the risks of drinking raw milk.

Right Wing Cope account has the real take -

how did this even become a culture war issue? what's next, is maga going to start refusing to wash their hands after touching raw chicken to own the libs?

Republicans are dangerously stupid and their stupidity continues to risk, and likely cause, harm to others who believe them.

Reminder that Marj is a stupid dumb bitch with stupid dumb bitch constituents that send her to be their stupid dumb bitch in the House of Representatives so she can be a stupid dumb bitch complaining about libs controlling the weather and promote a practice that doctors and food safety specialists have been warning against for 150+ fucking years since Louis Pasteur figured out that heating milk for a period of time kills all kinds of things inside it that makes us sick.

[fwc577]

Just a reminder: Republicans are actively playing politics with natural disasters because they will do literally anything if they think it will help their parties chances of winning, even if that means hurting the people they were elected to serve. Intentionally.

Of course they're playing politics with natural disasters. They got burned in 2020 because they didn't properly play politics with a natural disaster and the end result was they lost the election.

If they'd have had a NORMAL response to Covid, Trump would've been re-elected in a landslide.

[Poopymonster]

https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1843023165167120885

DRINK RAW, UNPASTUREIZED MILK TO OWN THE LIBS!

Please do not do this. Please read the Twitter note with the extensive links to medical studies on the risks of drinking raw milk.

Right Wing Cope account has the real take -



Republicans are dangerously stupid and their stupidity continues to risk, and likely cause, harm to others who believe them.

Reminder that Marj is a stupid dumb bitch with stupid dumb bitch constituents that send her to be their stupid dumb bitch in the House of Representatives so she can be a stupid dumb bitch complaining about libs controlling the weather and promote a practice that doctors and food safety specialists have been warning against for 150+ fucking years since Louis Pasteur figured out that heating milk for a period of time kills all kinds of things inside it that makes us sick.

Um, er, so they are telling their people to do things that have a decent probability of making them very sick, potentially requiring hospitalization, less than a month before the election? Not overlooking death is on the table also.

But we all know those voting corpses have voted for a Republican.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ood-defunding/

Republican vice presidential candidate Sen. JD Vance (Ohio) indicated over the weekend that a second Trump administration would again seek to defund Planned Parenthood if it continues to provide late-term abortions.

“On the question of defunding Planned Parenthood, look, I mean, our view is we don’t think that taxpayers should fund late-term abortions,” Vance told RealClearPolitics on Saturday.

“That has been a consistent view of the Trump campaign the first time around. It will remain a consistent view.”

The bulk of Planned Parenthood’s federal funding comes from Medicaid reimbursements.

Former President Trump and Vance have largely shied away from committing to federal action on abortion, repeatedly saying they believe it should be an issue left up to states, though Vance has spoken in support of making abortion illegal nationally.

Reminder that abortions are just a tiny part of the services that Planned Parenthood provides their clients, and that "late term abortions" are largely not a thing that happens outside of extreme situations. It primarily exists as a fiction in the heads of Republicans who want to control the bodies of girls and women.

Under the Hyde Amendment, federal funds are prohibited from going towards abortion services, though exceptions are included for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother.

As a reminder, no taxpayer dollars are going towards "non-medically necessary" abortions, period. Republicans continue lying about this shit.

[Skjaldborg]

I know that dairy products are a cultural phenomenon here in the States but has the average voter considered how weird it is that we drink milk, after infancy and from other species, in the first place?

And now MTG is trying to convince us that drinking it raw is just fine? This is almost as bad as citing medieval humour theory to overturn abortion rights. Well, not that bad, but almost as stupid.

Is there any mammal that doesn’t develop some level of lactose intolerance as it ages? The last thing you need to do with milk is make it harder for your body to accept it…

[Milchshake]

I know that dairy products are a cultural phenomenon here in the States but has the average voter considered how weird it is that we drink milk, after infancy and from other species, in the first place?

And now MTG is trying to convince us that drinking it raw is just fine? This is almost as bad as citing medieval humour theory to overturn abortion rights. Well, not that bad, but almost as stupid.

Is there any mammal that doesn’t develop some level of lactose intolerance as it ages? The last thing you need to do with milk is make it harder for your body to accept it…

Please no ... Anti-dairy scolds.... "this our moment!"

<conflates their lactose intolerance with huge risks of expsoure to; Campylobacter, Cryptosporidium, E. coli, Listeria, Brucella, and Salmonella>

I wonder what other "single issue" weirdness is coming out of the woodwork in the next 4 weeks.

[Tech614]

If they'd have had a NORMAL response to Covid, Trump would've been re-elected in a landslide.

I'm not so sure.

Trump partially lost because of black voter turnout in GA, MI and PA which Hillary did not get. Like even if WI and AZ went red without the covid factor Biden still can win because of the huge black voter turnout in those states.

Was it cause of COVID or was it because of Trump's dangerous rhetoric toward BLM protestors? Personally I think covid was a factor but it's always greatly overestimated imo. I don't think there is any world where Trump wins a landslide without covid. I think we're greatly underestimating people who went to the polls to fight evil if we dumb it down to claiming he wins easily without covid.

[Skjaldborg]

Please no ... Anti-dairy scolds.... "this our moment!"

<conflates their lactose intolerance with huge risks of expsoure to; Campylobacter, Cryptosporidium, E. coli, Listeria, Brucella, and Salmonella>

I wonder what other "single issue" weirdness is coming out of the woodwork in the next 4 weeks.

I’m honestly not sure if this was intended to smack me down. Was just agreeing that MTG is a basket case. Milk goes through treatments for a reason.

[Endus]

I’m honestly not sure if this was intended to smack me down. Was just agreeing that MTG is a basket case. Milk goes through treatments for a reason.

Yeah, but those treatments are for disease control, not digestibility. You brought up digestibility and lactose intolerance for some reason.

[Tech614]

I know that dairy products are a cultural phenomenon here in the States but has the average voter considered how weird it is that we drink milk, after infancy and from other species, in the first place?

Has the average voter considered how weird it is we go to a super market to buy pre packaged meat instead of having to hunt for it? Cause pasteurized milk is really just another animal product in the store to get nutrients from. Nothing more or less.

The only weird part is this idiot trying to drink unpasteurized milk, which I'm all for lets see how great her stomach is at harvesting harmful bacteria.

[Skjaldborg]

Yeah, that was a messy post on my part. «Dairy» say…unpasteurized?

Not sure it can be salvaged.