2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Xyonai]

This is basically the only explanation I can figure: They figure they have Democratic voters on lock so they're trying to either flip some folks on the margins or are trying to activate conservative voters who won't vote for Donald but also don't want to vote for a Democrat either.

I can't say I'm a big fan or think it's the best play, but this is the ritual every 4 years - Democrats second-guessing strategy and tactics just before the election from all sides.

Internal Polling must've been rather bleak with right leaning voters for the amount of capitulation they've done in regards to stuff like the border and more overt statements like this. As I said earlier, they can just hold progressives hostage because, what're we gonna do, -let- the fat fascist win the election so his vat grown Libertarian sidekick can hit him with the the 25th amendment and fuck us all?

Shit sucks, I hate it. In a just world we'd just vote the Republican party into irrelevance until they earn the right to be considered a viable political party again; or we could have the freedom to protest vote against Dems being fucking morons without worrying about hateful goblins ruining our country and hurting our loved ones.

[Benggaul]

I see it as her trying to hoover up the conservatives who left the GOP to become "Independents" and will not vote for Trump but without actually having to make a real commitment to them.

I honestly don't care at this point. Just get the election over with already and hope we kick Trump in the nuts a second time. I have my doubts that he'll survive long enough to try again based on how quickly he seems to be falling apart lately.

[Valdhammer]

At the same time though, is the present level of polarization and lack of a shared reality sustainable? We may already be too far gone. So something needs to be done, but I am not sure I would be looking to bring the fascists under the tent.

[Benggaul]

As I said earlier, they can just hold progressives hostage because, what're we gonna do, -let- the fat fascist win the election so his vat grown Libertarian sidekick can hit him with the the 25th amendment and fuck us all?

Yes. Many do. Don't underestimate the impact of the troll vote or the apathetic abstention.

[postman1782]

I'm not even voting this year. Don't worry, I don't live in a battleground state.

Considering how much you have lied, almost as much as Trump, no one believes you.

[Glorious Leader]

Well, most Democrat politicians are themselves resolutely right-wing in most aspects. The only difference is that the Republicans are far-right and increasingly unhinged about it. And even if they weren't, it's hard to promote yourself as a left-wing politician in the US without being branded a socialist by most of the population that absolutely hates the term even if they couldn't define it. It's one thing for the Republicans to call you communists all day -they're going to do that whatever happens-, but it's something else for voters to start actually believing it

They're definitely being too safe about it tho, and shit like gracefully accepting the endorsement of Dick fucking Cheney instead of telling him to pound sand definitely doesn't help either.

The calculus behind the cheney endorsement rings a bit too similar to hilaries campaign. Attempt to appeal to "moderate" reps.because trump is insane. It didnt work then.

[Xyonai]

The calculus behind the cheney endorsement rings a bit too similar to hilaries campaign. Attempt to appeal to "moderate" reps.because trump is insane. It didnt work then.

I guess the only difference is Trump as an 'Outsider' and Trump as a Known quantity. The unhinged backsliding of the Republican party in these short eight years is probably also not helping things, yet somehow the race remains tight as any other because the average voter has the critical thinking skills of a Doe on the interstate.

[Doomcookie]

I couldn't care less about either.

That's simply a lie.

You spent multiple election cycles doing the exact same thing. I pointed this out, with a specific timeline of your comments of your supposed concern about the Dems being weak, while you were outed as an actual Trump supporter.

If that were the case, then you would not have commented about it all those times, and would not have felt the need to lie about it for several years. I showed the threads, the polls, and the comments.

[Edge-]

Donald Trump intensified his politics of nativism and xenophobia on Friday by announcing a sweeping plan to deport Venezuelans he claimed have “infected” a once peaceful city in Colorado.

The Republican presidential nominee held a campaign rally in Aurora on a stage adorned with posters displaying mugshots of people in prison-orange uniforms with descriptions including “illegal immigrant gang members from Venezuela”.

Trump told the crowd: “I’m announcing today that, upon taking office, we will have an ‘Operation Aurora’ at the federal level to expedite the removals of these savage gangs.” He pledged to invoke the Alien Enemies Act, a 1798 law that allows the president to deport any non-citizen from a country that the US is at war with.

“We will send elite squads of Ice [Immigration and Customs Enforcement], Border Patrol and federal law enforcement officers to hunt down, arrest and deport every last illegal alien gang member until there is not a single one left in this country,” he continued as the crowd roared approval.

If they return to the US, Trump said, they will serve an automatic 10 years in prison without parole. “I’m hereby calling for the death penalty for any migrant that kills an American citizen or a law enforcement officer. With your vote, we will achieve complete and total victory over these sadistic monsters. It’s going to go very quickly.”

Donald's repeating Nazi shit again, and promising things that are impossible and he can't do but his voters don't know that and don't care.

1. Why didn't he get rid of all the gangs when he was in office last time?

2. What nation is the US currently at war with?

3. 10 years in prison without parole? I hope US taxpayers like new taxes, because that's not cheap!

And casual reminder that you're infinitely more likely to be the victim of an red-blooded, all-American criminal than you are an immigrant.

Oh, and Donald and Jay Dee Hamel are still repeating debunked racist stories about immigrants -

Aurora, a city of about 340,000 people near Denver, hit headlines in August when a video circulated showing armed men walking through an apartment building housing Venezuelan immigrants. Trump amplified the story and falsely portrayed the city as overrun by members of the Venezeulan gang Tren de Aragua, or TDA.

Authorities say the incident happened in a single block and the area is again safe, noting that the local crime rate is actually declining. Aurora’s Republican mayor, Mike Coffman, called Trump’s claims “grossly exaggerated” and insisted: “The narrative is not accurate by any stretch of the imagination.”

[Doomcookie]

"“I don’t think people understand what a big problem we have on our hands with men,” one prominent Democratic strategist said. “Black men, Hispanic men, men in general."

Trump has slowly increased his support among minority men, 2024 may be the year he makes an even bigger jump. I thought Harris would at least win the popular vote, but now I'm not so sure.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...is-men-voters/

Are you going to address your guy's problem with women?

Were you concerned with the rape and the racism with you voted for him?

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You are asking: "What’s on the docket in 2024 that wasn’t in the past two elections? Who’s actually campaigning in swing states? And who has actually been working to expand their base and improve their political machine over the past eight years?"

So, if I were to answer all of those questions in a way you expect, wouldn't you then also expect the polls to show Harris outperforming Biden and Clinton? Why is she under performing both despite the fact that really important shit is on the ballot, she has campaigned like mad in swing states, and has been working hard on expanding her base? She is doing ALL these things just to be within the margin of error.

At this time in 2020, election simulations had Biden winning 89 times out of a 100. And the 2020 election STILL came down to a very tight margin. This is because the electoral college system will always favor Trump and this never gets reflected in the polls or the simulations. On top of that, earlier today I saw an article about a swing voter focus group in PA comprised of people who voted for Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Only half of those people are committed to Harris. That's not an encouraging statistic if it is representative of that group of voters as a whole.

So putting all that together, I am not sure why you would feel the need to speak so condescendingly to me and those like me who are looking around and not seeing much hope in Harris winning. It's not doom - it's reality. It's a reality that sucks a whole hell of a lot, especially if you are like me and have young children to raise, but it is unquestionably the reality that the electoral college system favors Trump heavily. For me to feel like she has a chance in hell of overcoming that disadvantage Harris needs to be polling much stronger in October than she is right now. A 1% lead 25 days before the election is not a lead. It's a loss.

You seem very concerned.

[Endus]

On a related note to my earlier diatribe, I feel like I'm going to pull my fucking hair out. Obama tried this exact shit a decade ago and got -nothing- from it, and Republicans have only become more deranged and contrarian in the years since.

Hey, Harris, don't pick advisors based on their political views. Pick them based on their expertise. If that means you get zero Republican advisors, because Republicans don't have any legitimate expertise worth listening to, that's fine. If you focus on expertise first, there's no problem.

Stocking your pool with shitwankers who'll stonewall you for political reasons because they don't have any actual policy-based opinions just makes the whole endeavour fuckin' useless. And if they DO have expertise, it shouldn't matter what their political leanings are.

At the same time though, is the present level of polarization and lack of a shared reality sustainable? We may already be too far gone. So something needs to be done, but I am not sure I would be looking to bring the fascists under the tent.

"Something needs to be done" is a problematic phrase. Do you suggest re-education camps? That's obviously fucked-up, right? You can lead a Republican voter to knowledge, but you can't make them think.

I've worked in climate change adaptation policy a fair bit, I've given people mountains of information to better-inform themselves, and you know what I got back in return? "Lol, you believe scientists" or "yeah, but what about the Sun, huh? Scientists never think about the Sun!" I spent years developing a modicum of expertise in the field, and they'll just hand-wave it away without any consideration whatsoever, because they do not care about the truth. They don't even care about the concept of the "truth". They want stories that confirm their prejudices and conceits. Anything that challenges those things is rejected out of hand.

I don't think that's a divide that's surmountable. They don't want to surmount it. They created that divide, because the divide feeds into their prejudices and conceits; it's one of the stories they hold close. That's the reality.

You can't come together as a nation when one half wants the other half dead, or at least suffering badly. Hell, the USA as a nation hasn't even gotten past its history of racism against black Americans, yet. Largely because it's not a history, but an ongoing reality that sees a half-step of progress every couple generations, at best. It shouldn't be any surprise you can't solve any other bigotry-based issues they're facing.

[Valdhammer]

You seem very concerned.

You seem very conceited.

[Doomcookie]

You seem very conceited.

Well, I'm pretty good at calling people out on their nonsense.

The "attack Demos from the left" thing while being totally concerned is getting tiresome. You people need to come up with a better play.

[Teriz]

This is very, very bad…..

Trump announces 'Operation Aurora' to target illegal immigrant gang members in Colorado

The program would invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to target and dismantle 'every illegal migrant criminal network operating on American soil'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...s-colorado.amp

[Sunseeker]

This is very, very bad…..



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...s-colorado.amp

Yep, suspension of the rule of law to get rid of "enemies" to the state.

[gondrin]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/11/e...ntl/index.html

Weirdly, the Kremlin is confirming that Donald sent Putin some Covid test kits, which Donald has said is "FAKE NEWS".

Now I don't necessarily believe the Kremlin, but I do believe Woodward, so I'm curious what the Kremlin's angle on this is.

I am kind of hoping that it is Putin coming to terms that Trump is a loser and is trying to cut ties with him. While I hate the fact that Russia has as much influence over our politicians that they do, them dropping anyone is a good thing.

As Sunseeker has said, they got what they needed out of Trump and, like any useful idiot, it is time to dump them and call it a day. Because that is Trump is, a useful idiot that only needs praise or money to do your bidding.

[Paetolus]

Donald's repeating Nazi shit again, and promising things that are impossible and he can't do but his voters don't know that and don't care.

1. Why didn't he get rid of all the gangs when he was in office last time?

2. What nation is the US currently at war with?

3. 10 years in prison without parole? I hope US taxpayers like new taxes, because that's not cheap!

And casual reminder that you're infinitely more likely to be the victim of an red-blooded, all-American criminal than you are an immigrant.

Oh, and Donald and Jay Dee Hamel are still repeating debunked racist stories about immigrants -

What's kinda funny (and a bit sad) to me is that Venezuelans are one of the nationalities coming over that actually have a very legitimate claim to asylum. Haitians too. Once they get their day in court, they'll almost certainly be granted official asylum here.

Republicans love to complain about how the asylum system is being taken advantage of, which it obviously is. (Sure would be nice to have a bill passed that makes asylum hearings a speedier process... ) But why villianize the people that are actually using it for legitimate reasons? I know the answer is racism, but still, it's ridiculous.

[postman1782]

What's kinda funny (and a bit sad) to me is that Venezuelans are one of the nationalities coming over that actually have a very legitimate claim to asylum. Haitians too. Once they get their day in court, they'll almost certainly be granted official asylum here.

Republicans love to complain about how the asylum system is being taken advantage of, which it obviously is. (Sure would be nice to have a bill passed that makes asylum hearings a speedier process... ) But why villianize the people that are actually using it for legitimate reasons? I know the answer is racism, but still, it's ridiculous.

And the person that gave them their asylum claims was Trump.

He gave them temporary legal status, just like the Haitians have on Jan 19th, 2021, his last full day in office.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-status-460524

[Jastall]

The calculus behind the cheney endorsement rings a bit too similar to hilaries campaign. Attempt to appeal to "moderate" reps.because trump is insane. It didnt work then.

I wouldn't count any Republican moved by Dick fucking Cheney's endorsement a moderate in the first place, even. It's baffling to me that she didn't just, I dunno, ignore him.

[Cthulhu 2020]

"We're never going back!"
First woman president, reclaiming abortion rights,etc.

Harris exploded onto the scene with lots of support when her campaign first began and she was something of a dark horse. Now as she seeks to court the Republican vote by being pro Israel and for strong border protection she's losing a lot of support on the left. I was feeling good about this election but now I dunno guys, feels like Harris might be fumbling this as she pushes to the right.