2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Kaleredar]

"We're never going back!"
First woman president, reclaiming abortion rights,etc.

Harris exploded onto the scene with lots of support when her campaign first began and she was something of a dark horse. Now as she seeks to court the Republican vote by being pro Israel and for strong border protection she's losing a lot of support on the left. I was feeling good about this election but now I dunno guys, feels like Harris might be fumbling this as she pushes to the right.

Harris’ response to Israel is a bog standard politician’s response. Well, bog-standard besides Trump’s “I will help Israel destroy Palestine” position.

Her worry right now is not so much in energizing left-wing voters as it is in courting independents in the few tossup states that could make or break the electoral college for or against her.


And besides, any democrat “not feeling jazzed enough” is absolutely fucking delusional. Like, Trump-supporter levels of delusional. Them hemming and hawing about supporting Harris means they either have no real grievances or are so minutely hyper focused on a narrow band of grievances that the grievances shared by the rest of the democrats mean nothing to them.


“Harris isn’t marking a monumental shift in American support of Israel? Well fuck her, and fuck abortion rights, fuck lgbtq rights, fuck immigrants, fuck the democratic process, fuck the courts, fuck religious freedoms, fuck free speech and fuck privacy laws. All of that can burn. Because none of those things together matter as much as my single grievance over what Harris is currently signaling about Israel at this very moment.”

That literally has to be one’s mindset.

[Benggaul]

Jesus fucking Christ. "Politician is doing politiciany things while campaigning." Commence the doomposting.

You guys, seriously. If politics actually was a team sport you'd be the fair-weather fans.

[s_bushido]

That literally has to be one’s mindset.

Indeed. A person can basically tell the world that they don't actually give a shit about any of the stuff you listed if they're perfectly happy going with the status quo on the whole "funding and giving political support to a genocidal regime" thing. And appealing to them is little more than a cynical ploy for power with no principles backing it up.

There's an awful lot of talk of "preserving democracy" from the people who will turn around and tell us to keep our whore mouths shut and don't actually participate beyond filling in the correct circle on the ballot.

[Tech614]

Everytime posters in this thread act surprised pikachu and claim Kamala is pivoting for doing things libs do...

Shes been a fucking lib the whole time, get over yourselves. You're the one that made up some ridiculous progressive idea of her in your head, not her. There is no pivot. Shes always been a lib and always will be a lib just like almost every other dem with a snowballs chance in hell of holding the highest office will also be.

[Roneth]

It’s funny how y’all insist on ignoring literally any metric except the one most convenient for doomposting.

Riddle me this.

Who’s leading in fundraising? Who’s leading in small dollar donations? Who’s been overpeforming in special elections and ballot initiatives? What’s on the docket in 2024 that wasn’t in the past two elections? Who’s actually campaigning in swing states? And who has actually been working to expand their base and improve their political machine over the past eight years?

The answer to these is not “Donald Trump and the Republican Party”: but that answer doesn’t service the stupid horse race narrative being by the idiots running American media.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=113932634

The intensity in Trump's campaign schedule has continued into the first week of October. From Oct. 1 through Oct. 6, Trump has already held eight campaign events compared to Harris, who has held two, according to an ABC News review of their schedules.

No idea who you think is "actually campaigning in swing states? And who has actually been working to expand their base and improve their political machine" I mean, ABC as the standard Republican news could be playing up Trump.

It's like that post whining about the media making everything about Trump, when everyone on this forum moved their posting from the Trump thread to here because it's an obsession. Not many positive rah rah posts for Harris, just lots of shitposting as usual about how much you hate Trump. Hardly anyone wants to vote for Harris, nobody wanted to in 2020, and they don't now. They just vote against Trump. That may be fine for forum people here and foreigners who think they know America....but people are going to realize they are not better off now then they were 4 years ago. And she said on the view she would not change a thing. It's okay, you guys can warm your hearts knowing the senate will go red too.

Keep talking about how the polls don't matter. They have historically underestimated Trump, and it's razor thin in most polls. Good thing the Anti-Semites got her to pick Walz instead of Shapiro. With Pennsylvania she had a chance.

[Surfd]

Trump is preaching to the choir. He could hold 5 rallies a day, every day, and 10 on Sunday, and those events would barely move the needle in regards to picking up "new" Trump voters. The only people who go to these things are already so far gone you'd basically have to cut off their heads along with their MAGA hat to change their minds.

[draynay]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=113932634



No idea who you think is "actually campaigning in swing states? And who has actually been working to expand their base and improve their political machine" I mean, ABC as the standard Republican news could be playing up Trump.

Oh, you again? Why wouldn't Trump campaign more? He doesn't have a job. First LA Times, now ABC, did you bother reading your source this time?

but people are going to realize they are not better off now then they were 4 years ago

You mean four years ago when everyone was wearing masks and isolating while the president was telling people to inject bleach and use horse de-wormers and giving a bunch of covid tests to his buddy Putin?

[Shadowferal]

Getting Trump to hold rallies...all according to the plan.
He bleeds support now every time he opens his mouth. Not to mention the toll it has taken on his health.

...and that rotted snake Stephen Miller is now more in the spotlight...

[Breccia]

Now I don't necessarily believe the Kremlin

If Donald Trump said "Thing is true" and literally anyone else in the world said "No, Thing is not true!" would you ever, ever, take Trump's side?

[Doomcookie]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=113932634



No idea who you think is "actually campaigning in swing states? And who has actually been working to expand their base and improve their political machine" I mean, ABC as the standard Republican news could be playing up Trump.

It's like that post whining about the media making everything about Trump, when everyone on this forum moved their posting from the Trump thread to here because it's an obsession. Not many positive rah rah posts for Harris, just lots of shitposting as usual about how much you hate Trump. Hardly anyone wants to vote for Harris, nobody wanted to in 2020, and they don't now. They just vote against Trump. That may be fine for forum people here and foreigners who think they know America....but people are going to realize they are not better off now then they were 4 years ago. And she said on the view she would not change a thing. It's okay, you guys can warm your hearts knowing the senate will go red too.

Keep talking about how the polls don't matter. They have historically underestimated Trump, and it's razor thin in most polls. Good thing the Anti-Semites got her to pick Walz instead of Shapiro. With Pennsylvania she had a chance.

Do you think Trump's sexual assaults and racism have expanded his base? Do you think the GOP's hatred of Jewish people and minorities is a good thing?

[Shadowferal]

Give it another week for Trump to rally what's left of his base;

[En Sabah Nur]

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1844828672886521965

First off, no there were no teleprompters. Obviously.

Second off -

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This is Donald at today's event where he said he does not use teleprompters. You'll not two prominent teleprompters on either side of thee stage.

He keeps using this as an attack, for some reason, but every time you can literally see his own teleprompters lol I just don't get it. Not to mention the fact that whenever he does stop using his teleprompters, he becomes an incoherent rambler, so you can clearly tell when he is and isn't using one.

And, yeah, his rallies are getting more and more reliant on immigrants as universally evil beings, and "invasions," and even carting out Stephen Miller to get the crowd booing random immigrants. Just progressively more Hitler-esque.

[Teriz]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=113932634



No idea who you think is "actually campaigning in swing states? And who has actually been working to expand their base and improve their political machine" I mean, ABC as the standard Republican news could be playing up Trump.

It's like that post whining about the media making everything about Trump, when everyone on this forum moved their posting from the Trump thread to here because it's an obsession. Not many positive rah rah posts for Harris, just lots of shitposting as usual about how much you hate Trump. Hardly anyone wants to vote for Harris, nobody wanted to in 2020, and they don't now. They just vote against Trump. That may be fine for forum people here and foreigners who think they know America....but people are going to realize they are not better off now then they were 4 years ago. And she said on the view she would not change a thing. It's okay, you guys can warm your hearts knowing the senate will go red too.

Keep talking about how the polls don't matter. They have historically underestimated Trump, and it's razor thin in most polls. Good thing the Anti-Semites got her to pick Walz instead of Shapiro. With Pennsylvania she had a chance.

Except you weren't better off 4 years ago. Four years ago we had thousands of Americans dying daily from COVID and civil unrest due to the George Floyd protests. The economy had cratered and we had Trump running around spreading lies about COVID and the upcoming election (getting COVID himself, almost dying, and then rushing back to the capitol to tell everyone that the virus wasn't a problem). Yeah, I guess gas was cheaper per gallon, but the idea that things were great 4 years ago is a myth that people have in their brains that is clearly being pushed by right-wing media. Sadly the democrats are doing a poor job of pushing back on that narrative.

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"We're never going back!"
First woman president, reclaiming abortion rights,etc.

Harris exploded onto the scene with lots of support when her campaign first began and she was something of a dark horse. Now as she seeks to court the Republican vote by being pro Israel and for strong border protection she's losing a lot of support on the left. I was feeling good about this election but now I dunno guys, feels like Harris might be fumbling this as she pushes to the right.

Honestly I think she's going to run the table with the swing states. I see both the sun belt and the rust belt going blue again with the addition of NC.

[Breccia]

Honestly I think she's going to run the table with the swing states. I see both the sun belt and the rust belt going blue again with the addition of NC.

If they don't, we get what we deserve.

A willing descent into fascism.

[Benggaul]

Honestly I think she's going to run the table with the swing states. I see both the sun belt and the rust belt going blue again with the addition of NC.

I'm not so optimistic. I'm cautiously optimistic about Harris winning in November, but I'm fairly sure it will not even be close to the blowout it should be. Too many stupid people in the nation and too much leeway given to the GOP to just manipulate the outcome.

[Teriz]

I'm not so optimistic. I'm cautiously optimistic about Harris winning in November, but I'm fairly sure it will not even be close to the blowout it should be. Too many stupid people in the nation and too much leeway given to the GOP to just manipulate the outcome.

I simply don't see a scenario where Trump lost 2020 as an incumbent, and wins 2024 with all the baggage leading to his 2020 loss alongside J6, abortion, multiple felonies, and his clear cognitive decline. I believe the pollsters are oversampling republicans in order to avoid the polling miss in 2020, but are also completely ignoring the ridiculous levels of new voter registration from groups that favor Harris and can't be polled.

I also don't see a scenario where Trump wins NC, but the democratic Gubernatorial candidate wins by double digits, or where Trump wins Arizona, but the democratic senate candidate wins by double digits and there's abortion on the ballot.

[Benggaul]

I simply don't see a scenario where Trump lost 2020 as an incumbent, and wins 2024 with all the baggage leading to his 2020 loss alongside J6, abortion, multiple felonies, and his clear cognitive decline. I believe the pollsters are oversampling republicans in order to avoid the polling miss in 2020, but are also completely ignoring the ridiculous levels of new voter registration from groups that favor Harris and can't be polled.

I also don't see a scenario where Trump wins NC, but the democratic Gubernatorial candidate wins by double digits, or where Trump wins Arizona, but the democratic senate candidate wins by double digits and there's abortion on the ballot.

Believe me, I understand what you're saying and most of that is the reason I'm cautiously optimistic. But as I've said numerous times on these boards, I'll never underestimate the ability of the average American to vote against their own interests. Everything you've listed are reasons why November should be a complete blowout, but if you go in expecting that I think you'll be sorely disappointed. Between the GOP ratfucking and privileged progressive apathy it's going to be closer than it has any right to be.

[Glorious Leader]

"We're never going back!"
First woman president, reclaiming abortion rights,etc.

Harris exploded onto the scene with lots of support when her campaign first began and she was something of a dark horse. Now as she seeks to court the Republican vote by being pro Israel and for strong border protection she's losing a lot of support on the left. I was feeling good about this election but now I dunno guys, feels like Harris might be fumbling this as she pushes to the right.

They dont do the were never going back anymore. They dont call republicans weird anymore. They got told by some consultant to walk that back because it potentially pushed "moderate" republicans away WHO NEVER WOULD VOTE FOR KAMALA REGARDLESS. Its hillary all over again.

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I simply don't see a scenario where Trump lost 2020 as an incumbent, and wins 2024 with all the baggage leading to his 2020 loss alongside J6, abortion, multiple felonies, and his clear cognitive decline. I believe the pollsters are oversampling republicans in order to avoid the polling miss in 2020, but are also completely ignoring the ridiculous levels of new voter registration from groups that favor Harris and can't be polled.

I also don't see a scenario where Trump wins NC, but the democratic Gubernatorial candidate wins by double digits, or where Trump wins Arizona, but the democratic senate candidate wins by double digits and there's abortion on the ballot.

I agree the polls are inaccurate and despite the unforced errors on the part of the harris campaign i do think she is poises to win but it really shouldnt be this close. Their saving grace is that the trump 2024 campaign complete shit.

[Gorsameth]

They dont do the were never going back anymore. They dont call republicans weird anymore. They got told by some consultant to walk that back because it potentially pushed "moderate" republicans away WHO NEVER WOULD VOTE FOR KAMALA REGARDLESS. Its hillary all over again.

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I agree the polls are inaccurate and despite the unforced errors on the part of the harris campaign i do think she is poises to win but it really shouldnt be this close. Their saving grace is that the trump 2024 campaign complete shit.

America is so tribal and political association is so deeply entrenched that it feels like elections are always going to be close just because there is very little movement between sides. Elections are won and lost on turnout.

[diller]

So Trump is promising death penalty to immigrants!!