2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Edge-]

She was at an event in Scottsdale, AZ, literally yesterday. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...tsdale-arizona

Are you seriously trying to make up a story where Harris is not at a campaign event for one single day and that's somehow an issue for "concern"?

Your concern-troll schtick is tired and boring and dishonest. Everyone knows what you're trying to pull.

Also - https://x.com/casssemyon/status/1845136144947872050

it's funny how every time "concerned" folks seem to be concerned over their lack of information more than anything else.

[Bwgmon]

He only does this when things look bad for the Democrats. Just look at his post history, when Harris got nominated and things were looking good for the Democrats he fucked off for the entire month of August, but now that polls are getting tighter again he's back with his usual shit.

They should change their name to "Selectivelyconcerned"

[Dontrike]

Where's Kamala? Letting Obama/Clinton/Walz do all the heavy lifting? Makes sense, her recent "media blitz" only saw her numbers dip? Might actually be a decent strategy...

https://x.com/umichvoter/status/1845072804862894200

For someone that supposedly "doesn't like Trump," you sure as shit seem to make the same stupid points him and his base does. I wonder why.

[Doomcookie]

Where's Kamala? Letting Obama/Clinton/Walz do all the heavy lifting? Makes sense, her recent "media blitz" only saw her numbers dip? Might actually be a decent strategy...

https://x.com/umichvoter/status/1845072804862894200

Why are you only concerned when the election actually comes around?

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For someone that supposedly "doesn't like Trump," you sure as shit seem to make the same stupid points him and his base does. I wonder why.

His lay was already outed as a lie, and there were the polls and posts dating back years to prove it.

He's trying to slowly take the mask off, and go full Trump stooge... who swears he totally doesn't care.

[ringpriest]

If they don't, we get what we deserve.

A willing descent into fascism.

To quote Karl Marx, "Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce".

[postman1782]

Where's Kamala? Letting Obama/Clinton/Walz do all the heavy lifting? Makes sense, her recent "media blitz" only saw her numbers dip? Might actually be a decent strategy...

https://x.com/umichvoter/status/1845072804862894200

Literally nothing you have said has been true.

[gondrin]

Also - https://x.com/casssemyon/status/1845136144947872050

it's funny how every time "concerned" folks seem to be concerned over their lack of information more than anything else.

Is it Susan Collins posting on here? Because she was always somewhat concerned about things.

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To quote Karl Marx, "Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce".

Isn't someone hugging the flag that is a known liar and a known person who actively helps out a hostile country something that requires burning the flag? Because if not, it should be. Either that or from all the grease that comes from those hands after eating all those Big Macs.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Jesus fucking Christ. "Politician is doing politiciany things while campaigning." Commence the doomposting.

You guys, seriously. If politics actually was a team sport you'd be the fair-weather fans.

Still voting for Harris, but the Harris campaign seems to think that going pro border wall, pro deportation, "law and order" is going to win her over some moderates and center leaning Republicans. It won't. It's a failing strategy and the momentum from the farther left block is dwindling and apathy grows as Bibi starts bombing half the middle east with Biden approved bombs.

Harris's campaign focus should be on bodily autonomy for women, economy, gas prices, etc. Just because polling tells them that one of the big issues is illegal immigration doesn't mean she's going to win any votes by adopting right wing stances on those things. For people whom that's important for, they're already voting for Trump. That's it. If someone is an immigration angsty baby they're not gonna vote for Harris no matter what she says, and the Harris campaign's misstep is showing in slumping polls.

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Everytime posters in this thread act surprised pikachu and claim Kamala is pivoting for doing things libs do...

Shes been a fucking lib the whole time, get over yourselves. You're the one that made up some ridiculous progressive idea of her in your head, not her. There is no pivot. Shes always been a lib and always will be a lib just like almost every other dem with a snowballs chance in hell of holding the highest office will also be.

I know she's a lib, I don't ever believe she'll bring us healthcare, and I expect her to go back on many of her promises. But at this moment this election is more about keeping Trump and republicans out of power. Last time an election happened we were teetering on the edge of a constitutional crisis if Pence had decided not to certify the election results, and the only reason we didn't descend into chaos is there were still many classical anti Trump Republicans who chose to follow the law. Trump has spent the last few years installing pro Trump people in positions of power that oversee local and state elections, his vice presidential pick would absolutely refuse to certify a 2028 election.

We also know they fully plan to do as much of project 2025 as they can.

2015: "We need to strike down Roe v Wade!"
Republican numbers slump
"haha j/k we're not going after Roe" they started saying when they realized how toxic that position was to their election chances.

They're doing the same thing with Project 2025, they initially pushed it as this big initiative of goals for the next presidency and even Trump himself approved of the plan, then they saw the public reaction, backed off and are now gaslighting anyone who's saying it's what they want, claiming that Trurmp doesn't want Project 2025 to happen. But we know deep down that if Republicans got to have their god king, execute all leftists, make women subservient, segregate society again, etc. They'd do it joyfully if they could get away with it.

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Harris' stance on the Israel/Palestine situation is the standard stance Democrats have had on Israel/Palestine situation pretty much as long as there has been an Israel/Palestine situation. If Israel/Palestine is the big issue for you this election...than you should worry less about Kamala's status quo position and more about the other guy's "bomb Palestine back into the stone age" position. You think Biden is too soft on Israel? Just wait until Trump gets back in.

i don't fuckin' know...maybe you guys deserve another 4 years of Trump.

Man I wish some people had a memory longer than a goldfish, been into Harris or bust regardless of what happens because I know Trump is infinitely worse on every issue. Mostly concerned that she's pivoting her campaigning to be about conservative issues, a startegy that has failed Democrats time and again in the past. Do people really think "Securing the border" and "Tough on crime" are gonna win Kamala many/any votes?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Man I wish some people had a memory longer than a goldfish, been into Harris or bust regardless of what happens because I know Trump is infinitely worse on every issue. Mostly concerned that she's pivoting her campaigning to be about conservative issues, a startegy that has failed Democrats time and again in the past. Do people really think "Securing the border" and "Tough on crime" are gonna win Kamala many/any votes?

I'll just say it this clear then. If people are walking away from Kamala because she's taking the status quo approach to Israel/Palestine... then they are dooming Palestine to even worse than what's happening now.

As for your "Harris or bust" position....well, I'm sure a lot of those on the left you are worried about Kamala losing once said the same thing about themselves.

[Valdhammer]

Still voting for Harris, but the Harris campaign seems to think that going pro border wall, pro deportation, "law and order" is going to win her over some moderates and center leaning Republicans. It won't. It's a failing strategy and the momentum from the farther left block is dwindling and apathy grows as Bibi starts bombing half the middle east with Biden approved bombs.

Harris's campaign focus should be on bodily autonomy for women, economy, gas prices, etc. Just because polling tells them that one of the big issues is illegal immigration doesn't mean she's going to win any votes by adopting right wing stances on those things. For people whom that's important for, they're already voting for Trump. That's it. If someone is an immigration angsty baby they're not gonna vote for Harris no matter what she says, and the Harris campaign's misstep is showing in slumping polls.

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I know she's a lib, I don't ever believe she'll bring us healthcare, and I expect her to go back on many of her promises. But at this moment this election is more about keeping Trump and republicans out of power. Last time an election happened we were teetering on the edge of a constitutional crisis if Pence had decided not to certify the election results, and the only reason we didn't descend into chaos is there were still many classical anti Trump Republicans who chose to follow the law. Trump has spent the last few years installing pro Trump people in positions of power that oversee local and state elections, his vice presidential pick would absolutely refuse to certify a 2028 election.

We also know they fully plan to do as much of project 2025 as they can.

2015: "We need to strike down Roe v Wade!"
Republican numbers slump
"haha j/k we're not going after Roe" they started saying when they realized how toxic that position was to their election chances.

They're doing the same thing with Project 2025, they initially pushed it as this big initiative of goals for the next presidency and even Trump himself approved of the plan, then they saw the public reaction, backed off and are now gaslighting anyone who's saying it's what they want, claiming that Trurmp doesn't want Project 2025 to happen. But we know deep down that if Republicans got to have their god king, execute all leftists, make women subservient, segregate society again, etc. They'd do it joyfully if they could get away with it.

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Man I wish some people had a memory longer than a goldfish, been into Harris or bust regardless of what happens because I know Trump is infinitely worse on every issue. Mostly concerned that she's pivoting her campaigning to be about conservative issues, a startegy that has failed Democrats time and again in the past. Do people really think "Securing the border" and "Tough on crime" are gonna win Kamala many/any votes?

I think the problem you’re describing is ever present for Democrats trying to win a general election. To win they need to appeal to a diverse cross section of voters who have differing priorities. At some point the candidate must decide who they can afford to disappoint.

[Tech614]

I think the problem you’re describing is ever present for Democrats trying to win a general election. To win they need to appeal to a diverse cross section of voters who have differing priorities. At some point the candidate must decide who they can afford to disappoint.

It's always funny with young, terminally online super leftists act like they are taking a stance by not voting. There is a reason dems appeal to the boomer moderates- they actually show the fuck up to vote. These same clowns who are supposedly so progressive couldn't even get off their asses to vote for Bernie on super tuesday 2020 and he got destroyed by Biden. Then they wonder why candidates don't take them serious as a voting base.

[s_bushido]

As for your "Harris or bust" position....well, I'm sure a lot of those on the left you are worried about Kamala losing once said the same thing about themselves.

Gee, then maybe the Harris campaign should be doing more to court voters like that? Nah, too many racists out there wringing their hands over immigrant invasions that we need to get to vote for us instead!

[Elegiac]

I guarantee you that if Kamala went full “deplorables” all that would result is the media branding her as a nasty lady and all of the resentment poisoned leftists in this thread immediately switching tack to “she’s just like Hillary” with not one iota of self-awareness.

There’s not going to be a swimming pool socialist president in our lifetimes, you stupid sluts.

[Endus]

I guarantee you that if Kamala went full “deplorables” all that would result is the media branding her as a nasty lady and all of the resentment poisoned leftists in this thread immediately switching tack to “she’s just like Hillary” with not one iota of self-awareness.

There’s not going to be a swimming pool socialist president in our lifetimes, you stupid sluts.

I would argue the root problem with the Democrats is they have completely lost touch with the concept of leadership. Leaders don't beg and bow to the electorate and seek to do what the electorate wants. They forge a path and inspire others to follow them. Ironically, Trump did exactly that, thought certainly not intentionally.

Is that a risk, right now? Sure. I'm not saying it's the smartest move to do something radical that might push voters away, right now. But at the same time; pick a fuckin' direction and convince them to join you, don't deviate the path to make it more appealing. That just pisses off everyone who already got on board before the deviations, because now it's no longer going where they thought it was. You end up spiting your base in pursuit of fringe voters.

And frankly, if those fringe voters can't find a reason to vote Democrat over Republican with Trump as the alternative, they're already at least Nazi-curious so why the fuck are you even trying to appeal to them.

It's weird as fuck that, in the USA, you can appeal to Nazis and win elections, but talk about making things actually better and safer for most people by coming together collectively, and the electorate will reject you. Truman made the quote in my sig in 1952, and it's just as true today, even though what he's pointing out is so incredibly fucking stupid. If you're reacting negatively to "socialism", you're an idiot who doesn't know what the word means, and it's really that simple.

Yes, you're never getting a socialist President, or even a socialist-curious one, but it's not because of socialism's flaws, it's because the McCarthyist fearmongering and Nazism is way too deep into the electorate. At some point, you've got to blame the electorate, not the politicians.

[Elegiac]

I would argue the root problem with the Democrats is they have completely lost touch with the concept of leadership. Leaders don't beg and bow to the electorate and seek to do what the electorate wants. They forge a path and inspire others to follow them. Ironically, Trump did exactly that, thought certainly not intentionally.

Is that a risk, right now? Sure. I'm not saying it's the smartest move to do something radical that might push voters away, right now. But at the same time; pick a fuckin' direction and convince them to join you, don't deviate the path to make it more appealing. That just pisses off everyone who already got on board before the deviations, because now it's no longer going where they thought it was. You end up spiting your base in pursuit of fringe voters.

And frankly, if those fringe voters can't find a reason to vote Democrat over Republican with Trump as the alternative, they're already at least Nazi-curious so why the fuck are you even trying to appeal to them.

Leadership as described is an aberration in the American federal system and that is by design.

A leader stands the risk of ignoring the elite and, gods forbid, enacting needed reform. Why do you think the past century has been a concerted effort to ensure that another FDR never happens again?

Change isn’t going to come from the top down in America and never has.

[Endus]

Leadership as described is an aberration in the American federal system and that is by design.

A leader stands the risk of ignoring the elite and, gods forbid, enacting needed reform. Why do you think the past century has been a concerted effort to ensure that another FDR never happens again?

Change isn’t going to come from the top down in America and never has.

Hence the bit I edited in; Trump could have a brain aneurysm and die tomorrow, leading to a colossal loss at the polls for Republicans in November, and it won't change anything 4 years down the line. Republicans will still be pushing Nazi rhetoric and policy, Democrats will still be weak for trying to appeal to too many special interests and thus never doing much meaningful, and the country will always be one election away from a fascist dystopia.

Because the parties reflect the electorate. You get the parties and representatives you want. The American electorate is, fundamentally, the problem. Republicans aren't pushing overtly racist policies onto a population that rejects them; the representatives who pushed a more-racist agenda got greater support because of how much deep-seated racism exists in the American electorate. You can't meaningfully change the parties and not change the electorate.

[Teriz]

It obviously won't happen since it wouldn't be legal - but the fact he's saying it and the audience is cheering like crazy is concerning.

Trump is a convicted felon who very likely sold state secrets to foreign powers, and attempted to terrorize his VP and state officials into throwing an election in his favor. Both of those are illegal acts that would get most people locked up for decades, yet he’s a coin flip away from being the most powerful person in the world.

You seriously believe that something being “illegal” is going to stop him? Especially given that the Supreme Court essentially said that the President has broad immunity when conducting “official business”.

[Edge-]

An off-the-cuff comment about reproductive rights by Republican Bernie Moreno in Ohio’s tight Senate race has put abortion at the center of debate in the most expensive Senate campaign this year. And that’s just where the incumbent Democrat, Senator Brown, wanted it.

Mr. Moreno insists he was joking after cellphone video surfaced of him criticizing women whose votes are driven by concerns about government involvement in abortion decisions.

“Sadly, by the way, there’s a lot of suburban women, a lot of suburban women that are like, ‘Listen, abortion is it,’” Mr. Moreno said at a town hall at Warren County on September 20.

The GOP candidate added: ”‘If I can’t have an abortion in this country whenever I want, I will vote for anybody else.’ OK. It’s a little crazy, by the way, but — especially for women who are like past 50, I’m thinking to myself, ‘I don’t think that’s an issue for you.’”

Republicans keep outing themselves as misogynists and generally terrible human beings with awful worldviews.

[s_bushido]

Because the parties reflect the electorate. You get the parties and representatives you want. The American electorate is, fundamentally, the problem.

I would argue the root problem with the Democrats is they have completely lost touch with the concept of leadership. Leaders don't beg and bow to the electorate and seek to do what the electorate wants. They forge a path and inspire others to follow them.

So which is it. Because you can't hold these two positions at the same time.

Democratic politicians could actually lead the way on meaningful change that would improve people's lives. But they'd rather approach issues (healthcare/immigration) from the conservative position, act like there's nothing that can be done that isn't just a variation on what the GOP wants, and then turn around and blame progressives for not getting on board with their horseshit.

[The Stormbringer]

To quote Karl Marx, "Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce".

Interesting visual differences too.

Hitler: Stern, serious, intimidating. Holding the flag in a tightly gripped fist, showcasing his perceived authority and control.
Trump: Dopey, stupid, blatantly false 'sincere' expression. Cradling the flag against him in a weird, possessive hug with his fingers looking like he's trying to rub on it or something.

I dislike Hitler as much as the next sane person (AKA non-Nazis) but one of these looks frightening, while the other just looks dumb as hell. And I can tell you this, Trump is not the least bit frightening.