2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Roneth]

I'm sure you think that Donald Trump is an under-qualified fascistic moron. I think Kamala is an under-qualified moron myself.

Not fascistic though, I'm the kind of liberal that doesn't use those words lightly.

Can anyone on here post the fascist things Trump did and the depression he caused during his first presidency. Show how he acted like a dictator. HOw he was HItler and threw liberals in jail. All the things Democrats keep saying he's going to do. Everyone knows the President has limited power and the congress is more important. Justw ait until the Republicans retake the senate.

[postman1782]

Can anyone on here post the fascist things Trump did and the depression he caused during his first presidency. Show how he acted like a dictator. HOw he was HItler and threw liberals in jail. All the things Democrats keep saying he's going to do. Everyone knows the President has limited power and the congress is more important. Justw ait until the Republicans retake the senate.

Trump lost 3000 points in one fucking day, Trump has the top 3 drops in stock market history under his presidency. He had the highest drop in GDP in one quarter than we have had since the Great Depression.

His fascistic things are his family separation policy.

He wants to throw flag burning people in prison for a year even after the supreme court said it is free speech.

[Doomcookie]

https://www.realclearpolling.com/map...-state-changes

226-312

You disappeared before you could explain why you tried to pretend to be a Democrat.

Care to explain?

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Can anyone on here post the fascist things Trump did and the depression he caused during his first presidency. Show how he acted like a dictator. HOw he was HItler and threw liberals in jail. All the things Democrats keep saying he's going to do. Everyone knows the President has limited power and the congress is more important. Justw ait until the Republicans retake the senate.

You have hundreds of pages of examples

[tehdang]

I believe what a lot of folks are pointing to are the congressional misses in 2022, Dems consistently beating the polling average since Dobbs, and Trump underperforming the polls in the primary.

That isn’t to say that Trump is definitely going to lose, but his polls might be a bit inflated.

If it's a miss like 2022, a midterm electorate, then Kamala has a decent advantage. If it's a miss like 2020, the last general electorate, then Trump has a decent advantage. If we're to trust the polls right now, it's a very even race and within the margins of error.

[Doomcookie]

https://x.com/RexAlbanii/status/1839399826397487509

Rex Nazarko is heading up a group called Drive for 75. He wants to get 75% of the muslim community to not vote for Harris to send a message to the Democratic party. If successful, this would all but give Michigan to Trump. They are not about Trump, they are about punishing the current administration for ignoring there views.



Not to be outdone, The Catholics are getting snubbed too. She will be the first Presidential candidate to not attend the Al Smith dinner since Walter Mondale in 1984, a dinner which benefits Catholic charities that support children’s medical and financial needs. She instead sent a video taped message.

It's weird watching people rally for a rapist.

[Endus]

Can anyone on here post the fascist things Trump did and the depression he caused during his first presidency. Show how he acted like a dictator. HOw he was HItler and threw liberals in jail. All the things Democrats keep saying he's going to do. Everyone knows the President has limited power and the congress is more important. Justw ait until the Republicans retake the senate.

Here's a post from a few years back where I broke down Umberto Eco's 14 points definition of fascism and applied it to GOP rhetoric in general; all these apply to Trump as the ur-Republican since 2016 (to the point the GOP didn't even have a platform in 2020, other than "Trump").

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post53894340

If you want other sources, knock yourself out;
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...or-1234992957/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...stakes-in-2024
https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/vie...science_theses

And if you want something more recent (because he's been getting worse), just a few days ago, he called for using the military to arrest his political enemies. Not for crimes, but for being his political enemies. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-election-day

But Trump's fascism is obvious to anyone who has a basic grasp of what "fascism" even is, ideologically. Your attempt to counter here is not a serious complaint. You know this, you're just choosing to deny it, because denying reality is how you demonstrate ideological membership in the cult.

[Doomcookie]

I'm sure you think that Donald Trump is an under-qualified fascistic moron. I think Kamala is an under-qualified moron myself.

Not fascistic though, I'm the kind of liberal that doesn't use those words lightly.

He's also a racist and rapist.

You forgot to mention those.

[Endus]

He's also a racist and rapist.

You forgot to mention those.

They know that. They consider those to be positives.

[Doomcookie]

The race has been a toss-up for a while now. The people that think somebody has a comfortable advantage are deceiving themselves.

Hey, were you ever able to formulate an answer as to why you have defended multiple sexual predators for their actions?

[Breccia]

Well, Trump figured out how to top dancing for 40 minutes.

Complete silence for 20 minutes.

The man who claims to know the most about technology stood silently on stage while his mic was out. Naturally, he also handled the situation the only way he knew how.

If it goes out again, I’ll sue the ass off that company. We’re gonna sue ‘em.

[Teriz]

If it's a miss like 2022, a midterm electorate, then Kamala has a decent advantage. If it's a miss like 2020, the last general electorate, then Trump has a decent advantage. If we're to trust the polls right now, it's a very even race and within the margins of error.

TBF, it's more likely a miss like 2022, since the 2020 election took place before J6 and the Dobbs decision. Those two factors are what largely sunk the Red wave in the mid terms, and have driven democrat wins in special elections they're not expected to win.

That said, we'll see soon enough.

[gondrin]

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/15/nx-s1...research-shows

NPR report, it's one of their radio reports so you can listen and all but TLDR: Latino support for legal abortion has nearly doubled in the past 20 years, going from around 33% to 62%

This is honestly a major thing. Not just because it is more support for abortion but from a group of people who are typically conservate. If they vote for Harris, this could easily cause states like Florida to either come extremely close for her or outright go to her.

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Well, Trump figured out how to top dancing for 40 minutes.

Complete silence for 20 minutes.

The man who claims to know the most about technology stood silently on stage while his mic was out. Naturally, he also handled the situation the only way he knew how.

Wasn't this the same guy who got tired at doing an interview for an hour but yet does rallies that last for multiple hours?

Funny thing is, he was never going to pay to begin with. This is why you demand money up front with a clause in the contract that they cannot be sued for services rendered if they aren't up to par AND if they sue, they are responsible for any court costs and lawyer fees.

[Tech614]

Can anyone on here post the fascist things Trump did and the depression he caused during his first presidency. Show how he acted like a dictator. HOw he was HItler and threw liberals in jail. All the things Democrats keep saying he's going to do. Everyone knows the President has limited power and the congress is more important. Justw ait until the Republicans retake the senate.

Trump did nothing but coast on Obama era economic policies and then his inaction on covid tanked the economy beyond belief. Dude still falling for the "Trump is good for the economy" bullshit lmfao.

Also if you wanted us to link you to every time Trump has said fascist rhetoric we aren't full time forum posters ain't nobody got time for that- he says this shit almost every day of the week little bro. You can literally just read his own thread on this same forum rofl.

[s_bushido]

This is honestly a major thing. Not just because it is more support for abortion but from a group of people who are typically conservate. If they vote for Harris, this could easily cause states like Florida to either come extremely close for her or outright go to her.

Unfortunately, there's no reason to assume people will vote for the Democratic candidate just because they vote in favor of stuff like preserving abortion rights and legalizing weed (both of which are on the ballot in FL). The leopards will still have plenty of faces to eat because some people just can't figure out why "access to basic healthcare" is a political issue in the first place.

[Breccia]

Wasn't this the same guy who got tired at doing an interview for an hour but yet does rallies that last for multiple hours?

Yes, but to be fair, also yes.

Harris' campaign mocks 'exhausted' Trump after he appears to nod off during an event

"An exhausted Trump appears to be falling asleep during his campaign event," the Harris campaign posted to its X account with a clip of Trump at a campaign roundtable event in Michigan on Friday.

In the video, Trump appeared to be closing his eyes and bobbed his head. The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment about whether he fell asleep during the business roundtable.

Trump's campaign has been responding in most of the articles I've cited recently. The response has been false, but it was a response. The fact that they don't have an answer for why Trump was falling asleep on camera is pretty damning. Trump personally responded when he was caught falling asleep in court, claiming he was closing his eyes so he could listen better.

It's part of a series of criticisms the Harris campaign made on Friday, attempting to paint Trump as "exhausted" on the heels of a Politico report, which said that a Trump adviser asserted Trump was declining certain interviews because he was "exhausted." NBC News has not independently verified the report.

"Being president of the United States is probably one of the hardest jobs in the world," Harris said to reporters in Grand Rapids, Michigan on Friday, after referencing the Politico report. "And so, we really do need to ask if he’s exhausted being on the campaign trail, is he fit to do the job?"

Harris repeated similar lines hitting on Trump as exhausted during two campaign rallies on Friday. The Harris campaign echoed the sentiments again in multiple social media posts and press releases.

"If you are exhausted on the campaign trail, it raises real questions about whether you are fit for the toughest job in the world. Come on," she said during her Grand Rapids rally.

Oh, and of course:

When reporters asked Trump on Friday about Harris calling him exhausted and pointing to him canceling events, Trump said he has not made cancellations, despite multiple reports about nixed interviews. He denied being tired, saying he was "really exhilarated."

"I’ve gone 48 days now without a rest, and I’ve got that loser who doesn’t have the energy of a rabbit. Let me tell you something. She should have been, last night, with the Catholics," Trump responded, referring to a Catholic charity dinner yesterday that Harris did not attend. Instead, she held multiple rallies on Thursday in Wisconsin.

Yep, that's Tired Cancelling Trump calling Harris out for...I don't think she actually cancelled that dinner, I think she was invited and just didn't show up. Trump, by contrast, has flaked out a large proportion of recent events he said he would do, but lied.

Is the October Surprise just going to be Donald withdrawing into his Basement? Three major interviews canceled in recent weeks - 60 Minutes, Squak Box, and NBC, and he's also cancelling other events like this NRA event.

He's cutting his schedule and barely able to speak in the ones he barely attends. Add "tired" and "sleepy" to the projecting terms Trump used against Biden.

WaPo has the headline "Trump's age finally catches up with him" proving that even WaPo isn't always great at investigation. Trump's been old and either senile or retarded for some time.

The people who have been screaming that Biden was too old have suddenly gone quiet. Possibly, they're asleep too.

[gondrin]

Yes, but to be fair, also yes.

Harris' campaign mocks 'exhausted' Trump after he appears to nod off during an event



Trump's campaign has been responding in most of the articles I've cited recently. The response has been false, but it was a response. The fact that they don't have an answer for why Trump was falling asleep on camera is pretty damning. Trump personally responded when he was caught falling asleep in court, claiming he was closing his eyes so he could listen better.



Oh, and of course:



Yep, that's Tired Cancelling Trump calling Harris out for...I don't think she actually cancelled that dinner, I think she was invited and just didn't show up. Trump, by contrast, has flaked out a large proportion of recent events he said he would do, but lied.



He's cutting his schedule and barely able to speak in the ones he barely attends. Add "tired" and "sleepy" to the projecting terms Trump used against Biden.

WaPo has the headline "Trump's age finally catches up with him" proving that even WaPo isn't always great at investigation. Trump's been old and either senile or retarded for some time.

The people who have been screaming that Biden was too old have suddenly gone quiet. Possibly, they're asleep too.

I honestly want to see him basically fall asleep at a rally and fall over. No, I don't want him to get hurt but I would love to see the excuses from that.

Because it is either passing out from being too tired or something that is far worse. And it is hard to fake passing out without making it look like you are faking it.

[PACOX]

Unfortunately, there's no reason to assume people will vote for the Democratic candidate just because they vote in favor of stuff like preserving abortion rights and legalizing weed (both of which are on the ballot in FL). The leopards will still have plenty of faces to eat because some people just can't figure out why "access to basic healthcare" is a political issue in the first place.

FL has and absolutely will vote for traditionally left leaning positions such as weed and abortion while making sure Republican candidates keep their spots. A few years FL voted to restore the rights of felons and DeSantis in the same breath, of course DeSantis took a shit a shit on the whole felon thing. Harris is neither conservative nor progressive enough to win FL. That might sound crazy but I know my state. A little aside, you know the Democrats suck at strategizing because making sure FL protects abortion, passes weed, and gets a few blue names in the legislature would be a MASSIVE boon to Harris and the Democratic party regardless of her winning the state, they should be doing a lot more campaigning there. Biden wasn't all over it. I still think Harris will win but her margins are shit, and she likely won't have the legislature on her side (we know the judicial branch is done), not trying to influence the House and Senate elections MORE (I know some effort is being done) is silly. The DNC put more effort into Manchin and Sinema (both who ended up as a bust like people actually on the left tried to say) than they in trying to make sure Harris has a blue House and Senate to work with. I know way more about the Republican seats than the Democratic ones. Its like in 2016 when Clinton should have signaled, "well if you don't like me at least make sure SCOTUS doesn't go red." This is why even registered Democrats are frustrated with the party.

[Dontrike]

If it's a miss like 2022, a midterm electorate, then Kamala has a decent advantage. If it's a miss like 2020, the last general electorate, then Trump has a decent advantage. If we're to trust the polls right now, it's a very even race and within the margins of error.

You can really tell when Trump has had a bad day when the pedophile supporters start popping up.

[DarkAmbient]

The race has been a toss-up for a while now. The people that think somebody has a comfortable advantage are deceiving themselves.

Everyone knows it's on a knife edge. It's all too close for comfort.

Edit: Watched Harris's Fox interview, I thought it was pretty bad. She seemed unprepared and unable to think on her feet. I don't think it did her any favours. Maybe some undecideds will respect the fact she even did a Fox interview.

[postman1782]

Everyone knows it's on a knife edge. It's all too close for comfort.

Edit: Watched Harris's Fox interview, I thought it was pretty bad. She seemed unprepared and unable to think on her feet. I don't think it did her any favours. Maybe some undecideds will respect the fact she even did a Fox interview.

Even Brett Baier had to come out and say he lied.