2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Poopymonster]

Screw the race. ‘They were okay to impeach me’.

That's the new "They're coming right for us!"

[Valdhammer]

Literally told my wife this. His voters and the media will say the person came in the way of a bullet.

It’s worse than that. His supporters will never believe it happened because the truth doesn’t exist anymore.

[DingDongKing]

It’s worse than that. His supporters will never believe it happened because the truth doesn’t exist anymore.

‘Deepfake’.

It’ll be interesting to see if Trump postmortem will be ‘secretly alive on an island’.

[tehdang]

Elon Musk campaigning for Trump is just wild.

I don't understand this person.

On the one hand, he seems to be seeking some kind of futuristic utopia where people travel between planets, use super hi-tech technology in everyday life, etc.

But on the other hand, he's campaigning for somebody who wants to dismantle the DoE, doesn't care about the climate, and is surrounded by people who don't even believe in science. I've even seen Elon share a tweet dismissing professors because "universities are Dem institutions" or what ever.

Let's not even get into the fact that MAGA seemed to be under the belief that the recent hurricanes were created by Democrats in order to attack the south. I mean, as a person invested in science how can you even want to associate with those types of people?

Is it really so simple that he's just another billionaire seeking to manipulative the system in order to get lower taxes, less regulation for his business ventures etc., or is he thinking about all of this in some 4D way I can't comprehend?

Because to me it looks like he's two people. On the one hand, he's sharing cool shit SpaceX are up to, collaborating with NASA, and so on. But on the other, he's actively undermining formal education, trust in science and scientific institutions, and general trust in the scientific method.

Does he genuinely not understand this? Where will SpaceX even find employees in 20 years if people don't understand science, if books were banned for promoting truths not aligned with MAGA, and if brilliant young people weren't able to afford college etc.?

I also don't get how he's able to support Trump's isolationist America First agenda.

Like, has the man never seen a sci-fi movie in his entire life?

Does he not understand that the logical and eventual outcome of Earth's cultural and and economic development is that:

1. Races and ethnicities will eventually merge,

2. The world has to be globalised if we are to be able to maintain a stable space-faring civilization, and

3. The reason America needs to play "world police" is simply to prevent other players from filling that vacuum; if the US is no longer the global leader and is replaced by China, India, or Russia, you can bet your ass that "America First" will mean a smaller economy, less prosperity, and lower security for Americans within a few decades.

In short, America First is self defeating.

He's a private actor that has had to deal with government overregulation and incompetence. He didn't build his rockets or electric cars by special order from the DoE. He isn't beholden to any cohort that incidentally supports the candidate he does. He's got some points to offer on an insane coastal commission that shut down his California operations because of his mean tweets. He also makes good arguments regarding government agencies that wish him to prove that his rockets won't hit a shark, and afterwards, to prove they won't hit a whale. And then prove they won't detonate underwater and injure marine animal hearing.

This all strikes me as entirely consistent with a guy that likes posting "cool shit SpaceX are up to, collaborating with NASA" and the rest. He has a different political philosophy, and some of it does sound undeveloped and populist. Which, as far as Democrats go, they aren't very inviting to people that see government as getting in their way, stopping progress, intent on wasting money, and generally incapable of helping advance society.

One last thing on the guilt by association angle. He can support Trump for his own private reasons, and simply not care if there's some faction that says hurricanes were engineered by Democrats or whatever crazy stuff exists on the right wing. Democrats already do this for the pro-Hamas and pro-Hezbollah left, the people that think the government needs to define disinformation and hate speech and censor people that violate those standards, people that think Democracy means your vote is owed instead of earned, people that think Trump staged his own assassination attempt, and the way to preserve constitutional norms is to pack the court and dismantle the electoral college. You must reject the crazies from both sides. And I'm self-censoring all the culture war bs that is partially banned by forum rules.

And I say this as someone that won't vote for Trump. I can still understand practical and reasonable people that come down on the other side of me.

[DingDongKing]

He's a private actor that has had to deal with government overregulation and incompetence. He didn't build his rockets or electric cars by special order from the DoE. He isn't beholden to any cohort that incidentally supports the candidate he does. He's got some points to offer on an insane coastal commission that shut down his California operations because of his mean tweets. He also makes good arguments regarding government agencies that wish him to prove that his rockets won't hit a shark, and afterwards, to prove they won't hit a whale. And then prove they won't detonate underwater and injure marine animal hearing.

This all strikes me as entirely consistent with a guy that likes posting "cool shit SpaceX are up to, collaborating with NASA" and the rest. He has a different political philosophy, and some of it does sound undeveloped and populist. Which, as far as Democrats go, they aren't very inviting to people that see government as getting in their way, stopping progress, intent on wasting money, and generally incapable of helping advance society.

One last thing on the guilt by association angle. He can support Trump for his own private reasons, and simply not care if there's some faction that says hurricanes were engineered by Democrats or whatever crazy stuff exists on the right wing. Democrats already do this for the pro-Hamas and pro-Hezbollah left, the people that think the government needs to define disinformation and hate speech and censor people that violate those standards, people that think Democracy means your vote is owed instead of earned, people that think Trump staged his own assassination attempt, and the way to preserve constitutional norms is to pack the court and dismantle the electoral college. You must reject the crazies from both sides. And I'm self-censoring all the culture war bs that is partially banned by forum rules.

And I say this as someone that won't vote for Trump. I can still understand practical and reasonable people that come down on the other side of me.

It’s not that deep even. Trump just keeps taxes low for big businesses and is in favour of deregulation and exploitation of the workforce. So Musk will vote for that.

[gondrin]

Elon Musk campaigning for Trump is just wild.

I don't understand this person.

On the one hand, he seems to be seeking some kind of futuristic utopia where people travel between planets, use super hi-tech technology in everyday life, etc.

But on the other hand, he's campaigning for somebody who wants to dismantle the DoE, doesn't care about the climate, and is surrounded by people who don't even believe in science. I've even seen Elon share a tweet dismissing professors because "universities are Dem institutions" or what ever.

Let's not even get into the fact that MAGA seemed to be under the belief that the recent hurricanes were created by Democrats in order to attack the south. I mean, as a person invested in science how can you even want to associate with those types of people?

Is it really so simple that he's just another billionaire seeking to manipulative the system in order to get lower taxes, less regulation for his business ventures etc., or is he thinking about all of this in some 4D way I can't comprehend?

Because to me it looks like he's two people. On the one hand, he's sharing cool shit SpaceX are up to, collaborating with NASA, and so on. But on the other, he's actively undermining formal education, trust in science and scientific institutions, and general trust in the scientific method.

Does he genuinely not understand this? Where will SpaceX even find employees in 20 years if people don't understand science, if books were banned for promoting truths not aligned with MAGA, and if brilliant young people weren't able to afford college etc.?

I also don't get how he's able to support Trump's isolationist America First agenda.

Like, has the man never seen a sci-fi movie in his entire life?

Does he not understand that the logical and eventual outcome of Earth's cultural and and economic development is that:

1. Races and ethnicities will eventually merge,

2. The world has to be globalised if we are to be able to maintain a stable space-faring civilization, and

3. The reason America needs to play "world police" is simply to prevent other players from filling that vacuum; if the US is no longer the global leader and is replaced by China, India, or Russia, you can bet your ass that "America First" will mean a smaller economy, less prosperity, and lower security for Americans within a few decades.

In short, America First is self defeating.

I bolded the parts that are relevant to my reply.

The first part is he wants that for people like himself. Everyone else has to be a serf or an outright slave to people like himself. Best example of this is how he treats his workers. To him, they are disposable and once he is done using you, out the door you go regardless if you live or die. This is also why he is aggressively pursuing automation without anyone at the helm. Once you eliminate the cost of the worker when doing business, you also then can remove things like OSHA.

Second, every major business owner wants to remove any regulations that pertain to their business. Every. Single. One. This is a simple fact.

He is pretty much what Trump wants to be. Actually rich. The man is also poor man's idea for Lex Luthor. He neither has the smarts or the cunning to even come close to it. The only thing he has is the money.

[tehdang]

It’s not that deep even. Trump just keeps taxes low for big businesses and is in favour of deregulation and exploitation of the workforce. So Musk will vote for that.

I agree with you that much of these aren't actually deep. But I'd say people neglect a wide variety of reasons for why he would think, talk, and support candidates that have nothing to do with "... and that makes him a bad person." After all, it's always the other guy that thinks differently and does so for immoral reasons; these aren't things people generally apply to themselves.

[Edge-]

All the talk about "biggest" in this thread just makes me really want to link this...

Waffling on about Arnold Palmer for 20 minutes, he just felt he had to include this, for whatever reason. Guess Trump likes men with big... gold clubs.


Is this the "biggest" political story of the year?

I suddenly understand the Trump jerking off dance O_O

Donald Trump absolutely melting down in public, in real-time is was apparently the October Surprise all along.

[En Sabah Nur]

Donald Trump absolutely melting down in public, in real-time is was apparently the October Surprise all along.

He's been telling us the story all this time... master of foreshadowing.

[Bwgmon]

He's been telling us the story all this time... master of foreshadowing.

I'll never be able to see that dance as anything but him tugging on invisible wangs.

[gondrin]

He's been telling us the story all this time... master of foreshadowing.

Maybe that was the "golden shower" video tape. It isn't of women peeing on him, it is him paying men to piss on him.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump is at McDonald's.

Fucking clown. Of course as a snippet of America Donald who shits on these type of workers anytime he can, then making fun that "this is not work" doing a stunt where they have to station protection people and I believe he was there for less than 30 minutes while the his narrative was supposed to be how Kamala didn't work there. GG McDonald's.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAH!

The guy at McDonald's tells Donald Trump what to do at the fry machine and he proceeds to do it wrong.

Donald can't even follow basic instructions.

Vid in link. Just linking whole Tweet for source. Ignore the comment really.


Watch this video folks. Again this piece of shit who mocks Fast food workers is taking instruction so slow and working at a snail's pace he would be fired. Gawd I hate this shit how he mocks labor.

[gondrin]

Trump is at McDonald's.

Fucking clown. Of course as a snippet of America Donald who shits on these type of workers anytime he can, then making fun that "this is not work" doing a stunt where they have to station protection people and I believe he was there for less than 30 minutes while the his narrative was supposed to be how Kamala didn't work there. GG McDonald's.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAH!

The guy at McDonald's tells Donald Trump what to do at the fry machine and he proceeds to do it wrong.

Donald can't even follow basic instructions.

Vid in link. Just linking whole Tweet for source. Ignore the comment really.


Watch this video folks. Again this piece of shit who mocks Fast food workers is taking instruction so slow and working at a snail's pace he would be fired. Gawd I hate this shit how he mocks labor.

Well, it is official, he finally did a minute worth of work. He might have an actual heart attack.

[Dontrike]

He's a private actor that has had to deal with government overregulation and incompetence.

The same government that is the only reason SpaceX and Tesla are worth anything after that same government handed him a lot of money?

[tikcol]

He's been telling us the story all this time... master of foreshadowing.

That's a very funny awkward dance. It makes him very relatable.

Nevever underestimate relatability..

[Paranoid Android]

So the place wasn’t even open. It was all staged and fake. He didn’t work for real at a McDonalds. It was a staged fraud just like every other event.



Trump is such a theatre kid. So from my previous rant he didn't even really provide No Labor at all. Just a waste of time. I'm sure those workers got paid (I hope) but what waste. Feel sorry for them

Oh btw, Eff this Franchise owner saying "It's not political" but making it as big as political as you can get.

[Shadowferal]

'Exhausted' Trump Naps In Michigan Policy Meeting

[Dontrike]

So the place wasn’t even open. It was all staged and fake. He didn’t work for real at a McDonalds. It was a staged fraud just like every other event.

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaW4GHuXEAAbclQ?format=jpg&name=large[/IG]

Trump is such a theatre kid. So from my previous rant he didn't even really provide No Labor at all. Just a waste of time. I'm sure those workers got paid (I hope) but what waste. Feel sorry for them

Oh btw, Eff this Franchise owner saying "It's not political" but making it as big as political as you can get.

It gets even more silly when Trump has made this one of the weirdest points of his campaign. Who doesn't call all of McDonald's to look up the employment record of one person from 40+ years ago? (He didn't, but this whole thing is stupid anyway.)

[Paranoid Android]

Donald Trump staged the McDonald’s event at a McDonald’s that was closed. The franchise owner of this McDonald’s has been fighting against raising the minimum wage it has been the site of protests in the past for working conditions.

https://x.com/meiselasb/status/18480...NI0psYg7g&s=19

Pics in link.

Oh look the franchise owner is a piece of shit. Mentioned as many he owns multiple franchises and sucks up for the tax cuts.

[Teriz]

So the place wasn’t even open. It was all staged and fake. He didn’t work for real at a McDonalds. It was a staged fraud just like every other event.



Trump is such a theatre kid. So from my previous rant he didn't even really provide No Labor at all. Just a waste of time. I'm sure those workers got paid (I hope) but what waste. Feel sorry for them

Oh btw, Eff this Franchise owner saying "It's not political" but making it as big as political as you can get.

I’m tired of this moron and his BS. Hopefully Harris wins so we can be rid of this buffoon for good.