2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Tech614]

Also even funnier on Reagan, is Trump literally completed Reagans own campaign message of having SCOTUS open the window for abortion bans. lol.

But yea bro, I'm gonna let someone from Canada come here and tell us this POS was any better than Trump. You show me a picture of Trump and Reagan and it's literally the same picture, one just put a smile on his face and acted like he was a great guy while the other openly tells you hes a piece of shit while talking.

[Teriz]

I guess I didn't say enough good things about the Dems who call Trump a unique threat, something that has to suddenly impart cross-party moves just to defeat him, and this time the fight is against literal fascism.

Throw all that to the wind if you believe that Republicans have been just as evil as Trump going back four decades. The position is destroyed. Trump is just a new brand of evil that stretches back before most of this forum was born. But I ultimately think this kind of logic rather transparently reveals its screwy hysteria and serves Republicans well. Everybody from Goldwater to Reagan to Bush to Trump have been called fascists and Nazis. Yet somehow the nation survives. Pretty cringe, and worthy of rejection.

I believe the difference here is that the video of J6 is vivid and fresh in the minds of many Americans. Yeah, the left has a history of being hyperbolic on Bush, Reagan, and others, but with Trump the shoe fits. It sort of helps matters that he feels he did absolutely nothing wrong, and clearly has no issue with trying to overthrow the government again.

[Tech614]

I believe the difference here is that the video of J6 is vivid and fresh in the minds of many Americans. Yeah, the left has a history of being hyperbolic on Bush, Reagan, and others, but with Trump the shoe fits. It sort of helps matters that he feels he did absolutely nothing wrong, and clearly has no issue with trying to overthrow the government again.

You saying dems are hyperbolic about Reagan and Bush but not Trump?

Yes, Jan 6th was a disaster but lets not act like Bush being a war criminal and destabilizing an entire country for decades is hyperbole. Let's also not act like Reagan didn't double black unemployment and poverty rates from where they where at during the civil rights movement ffs...

Trump is mostly more dangerous than them for this election because he has a SCOTUS that will let him get away with almost anything. It's not because hes a worse person then them, they where all 3 evil fucks.

Not just of the ones that won, of any of the republicans nominees for president in my entire lifetime the only one I would shake the hand of given the opportunity is McCain. Romney's ass is mildly less offensive than the 3 pricks above but that isn't much of a compliment.

[diller]

But that wasn't the comment. I can not say I would be happy with "almost any" conservative over Trump. That's like some George Dubya stan statement as if that fucker wasn't just as evil as Trump but too stupid to realize everything he could get away with like Trump does. Now that conservatives know they can get away with it the vast majority of them are a danger to the country if given power- not just Trump.

Conservatives have been doing that for years, most notably by changing the supreme courts judges.

No doubt there are other radical Republicans but what I was trying to say is they don't have the pull that Trump has.

[gondrin]

Trump should go work in a movie theater after this because he most definitely is a master projectionist.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...7b3f11f8&ei=26

Trump says Obama, 63, is ‘exhausted’ and ‘looks old’ – as 78-year-old pulls out of another campaign event

Donald Trump, 78, has claimed that Barack Obama, 63, is “exhausted” and “looking older” – hours after the Republican candidate pulled out of yet another campaign event, amid growing speculation about his own age and mental acuity.

Trump – the oldest presidential candidate in US history – spoke at a campaign rally in Greenville, North Carolina, on Tuesday night, where he lashed out at 63-year-old Obama, who was in Detroit with Eminem rallying in support of Kamala Harris.

“I’m glad they’re bringing him out. The reason they’re bringing him out – because he doesn’t even want to do it. I think he’s exhausted,” Trump said in an apparent effort to shift the spotlight onto his opponents.

“I watched him talking. I think the guy’s exhausted.”

He added: “And I never say a guy’s looking old. But he’s looking a little bit older, isn’t he? You know, there’s nothing wrong with that. But he’s exhausted.”

The Republican presidential candidate also repeatedly called Obama “a jerk” and said North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un agrees with his assessment.

Meanwhile, in Detroit, Obama rapped on stage after being introduced by Eminem as they campaigned in the Michigan city, which Trump insulted recently.

Trump’s comments come after he has backed out of a number of campaign appearances in recent days, amid reports the 78-year-old is “exhausted.”

Before appearing in Greenville, Trump had been expected to join Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and former Democrat Tulsi Gabbard for a health-focused virtual town hall on Tuesday afternoon. But he canceled at the last minute, with his team citing “changes in Trump’s schedule.”

The Republican has also backed out of planned interviews with CNBC’s Squawk Box, the Shade Room podcast, and NBC.

The series of canceled or rescheduled appearances in recent days have fueled reports that Trump is becoming too “exhausted” to fully campaign in the tight race against Harris.

Trump’s team pushed back on that claim, denying he is worn out from the campaign trail, calling it "unequivocally false."

“President Trump is running laps around Kamala Harris on the campaign trail,” Trump national press secretary Karoline Leavitt said last week. “And has done media interviews every day this week. He has more energy and a harder work ethic than anyone in politics.”

Trump’s age and his mental faculties have come increasingly under scrutiny ever since President Joe Biden dropped out of the 2024 race. The Trump campaign previously used the president’s age as a line of attack but now find themselves on the receiving end.

If he takes back the White House next month, Trump will be the oldest person in US history to be elected president.

Mental health experts have spoken out about Trump’s cognitive “decline,” which the former president has responded to by calling for Harris to take a cognitive test.

Experts previously told The Independent that Trump appears to “have lost touch with reality,” as exhibited by his “rambling” speeches and “erratic” debate performance on September 10.

Dr. Ben Michaelis, a clinical psychologist who has previously carried out cognitive assessments for the New York Supreme Court, told The Independent that Trump is “really not in a strong cognitive place,” while Allen Frances, professor and the chair emeritus of psychiatry at the Duke School of Medicine, said it “seems likely” that Trump “has deteriorated a great deal.”

Trump claimed he has undergone two cognitive tests and “aced” them both.

[Doomcookie]

I guess I didn't say enough good things about the Dems who call Trump a unique threat, something that has to suddenly impart cross-party moves just to defeat him, and this time the fight is against literal fascism.

Throw all that to the wind if you believe that Republicans have been just as evil as Trump going back four decades. The position is destroyed. Trump is just a new brand of evil that stretches back before most of this forum was born. But I ultimately think this kind of logic rather transparently reveals its screwy hysteria and serves Republicans well. Everybody from Goldwater to Reagan to Bush to Trump have been called fascists and Nazis. Yet somehow the nation survives. Pretty cringe, and worthy of rejection.

Are you bragging that sexual assault and rape are good platform positions for the GOP?

[Belize]

I believe the difference here is that the video of J6 is vivid and fresh in the minds of many Americans. Yeah, the left has a history of being hyperbolic on Bush, Reagan, and others, but with Trump the shoe fits. It sort of helps matters that he feels he did absolutely nothing wrong, and clearly has no issue with trying to overthrow the government again.

I can actually, without hyperbole, tell everyone here that there is a direct correlation between Reagan and me putting on my socks backwards this morning

[Jessicka]

Are you bragging that sexual assault and rape are good platform positions for the GOP?

They certainly seem to be. They're obsessed with the 'antihero' and therefore being as terrible a person as possible and through that being able to do the "right thing" the wrong way, usually for entirely the wrong reasons in the face of the established rules and order. As comprehensively 'establishment' as they are, they see that as somehow now "anti-establishment" because doing those things with the shouting and the violence that was visibly institutional was somehow "better".

All that shit is completely baked in, its what Republicans and Conservatives in general are not just not put off by, but absolutely back. It's what the whole "culture wars" thing is about.

[Nymrohd]

Trump tried to steal an election.
Bush actually stole one.

[Benggaul]

Damn, I can't wait for the election to be over.

I regret to inform you that that won't stop any of the things you listed.

[En Sabah Nur]

Whelp Harris just called Trump a fascist at the CNN town hall.

Will the fact checkers drop the ball on this?

Or will they accuse Kamala Harris of being anteefa (anderson cooper voice)?

Literally right after it ended, I saw Dana Bash say she was "hearing from people that Kamala Harris failed to close the deal." CNN is not a serious network.

One look at what happened at TPUSA yesterday, and I cannot fathom how they justify continuing to "both sides" this election.

People are so desensitised to this abhorrent shit, that they just don't register it anymore. And that simply works in favor of the right wing. Are you looking forward to your totally-not-fascist President? I know I am!

[Glorious Leader]

Trump tried to steal an election.
Bush actually stole one.

Reinquist stole it for bush.
Maybe Alito steals it for Trump.

[Malkiah]

No, but I'll be able to tune out more and focus on normal stuff again.

i would like to point out how utterly perfectly you just encapsulated everything wrong with low information liberals and their takes on the current state of politics (ie, most people on this forum)
absolutely nothing has changed about republicans for the last 55 years or so, the only difference between then and now is that some of you are actually noticing for the first time.

it's why for my money trump is less of an existential threat than others have been - because he's loud and mask-off about it and everyone sees it, but not a single thing he's doing policy wise is any different from what any other republican would be doing, except any other republican would be wearing a human skin suit putting on this veneer of respectability and you'd all be buying it.

it's so funny watching a mass of otherwise happily clueless libs hear the dog whistle for the first time, the one that's been blowing since at least the mid 60s, and freak the fuck out that there's this whistle blowing and it changes everything.
this election is no more (or less) important than every other election for the past five decades or every election coming after it - the dangers are exactly the same as they've been and will continue to be, the only thing that changed is you're now aware of it.

[Nymrohd]

Reinquist stole it for bush.
Maybe Alito steals it for Trump.

Absolutely. The US public absolutely let it happen the first time. The only one who protested was privileged white men in favour of the steal. Same with 2020. The other side is just not willing to protect democracy. And yes, the SCOTUS has no good will anymore after Roe being overturned but does it matter?

I am not saying violence is the answer. But at the end of the day, it is part of the answer. The other side knows it.

[PhaelixWW]

absolutely nothing has changed about republicans for the last 55 years or so

Bull-fucking-shit.

[Malkiah]

Bull-fucking-shit.

one could argue that it started with nixon though i'd say it actually started in the late 40s, where US conservatism lost its absolute fucking mind over the fact that post WWII the US was the only fully functional remaining world superpower - it went to their heads and they went full modern day manifest destiny.

since then US conservatism has been anti-woman, anti-intelligence, anti-civilization, theocratic, oligarchical, quasi-fascist, authoritarian, raging hypocrites that covertly (if not overtly) use government tools as a weapon against both US citizens and humans abroad, attempt to destabilize the forward progress of human civilization for the sake of what is essentially 400 years of butthurt leftover monarchism, and relying on the abject stupidity of their voters in order to retain power and relevance.

what do you think has changed exactly?

[Endus]

one could argue that it started with nixon though i'd say it actually started in the late 40s, where US conservatism lost its absolute fucking mind over the fact that post WWII the US was the only fully functional remaining world superpower - it went to their heads and they went full modern day manifest destiny.

since then US conservatism has been anti-woman, anti-intelligence, anti-civilization, theocratic, oligarchical, quasi-fascist, authoritarian, raging hypocrites that covertly (if not overtly) use government tools as a weapon against both US citizens and humans abroad, attempt to destabilize the forward progress of human civilization for the sake of what is essentially 400 years of butthurt leftover monarchism, and relying on the abject stupidity of their voters in order to retain power and relevance.

what do you think has changed exactly?

They've started campaigning on it directly rather than it being kept "under the hood", so to speak?

[Muzjhath]

No, but I'll be able to tune out more and focus on normal stuff again.

I assume you think there is no political messaging in Die Hard with this message.

[Ivanstone]

since then US conservatism has been anti-woman, anti-intelligence, anti-civilization, theocratic, oligarchical, quasi-fascist, authoritarian, raging hypocrites that covertly (if not overtly) use government tools as a weapon against both US citizens and humans abroad

Its been going on longer than that. America World Police has been a thing since the 40s. Then again the US never had a real enemy prior to WW2.

Voter shenanigans to preserve conservative rule has been a thing for centuries at this point.

[Malkiah]

There's a reason so many lifelong conservatives are abandoning the Republican party. It is no longer the party of Raegan, Bush, or even John McCain.

first of all: it is absolutely the party of regan, bush, and mccain. this cannot be repeated enough, and it continues to be profoundly, staggeringly hilarious that some of you think otherwise.

It has been overtaken by a generation of young, restless and naive men who grew up being exposed to extremist content on the internet, as well as older folks that have been brainwashed by FOX News for 40 years.

disagree: it's being inherited by the children that reagan and bush and mccain raised - you heard the old expression about sowing and reaping, right?

But here we are. Young fools on the echochamber that is X (formerly Twitter) spend every minute awake berating western allies in Europe, and celebrating Trump's cosying up to dictators like Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin.

that's not anything about republicans changing, that is simply the obvious extension of the same sort of foreign policy that lead to the US overthrowing the secular iraqi government and installing saddam hussain as a dictator, supplying him chemical weapons, and then 25 years later having a shit fit over the fact he used them.
or like... you know that alqaeda exists because the US created it in order to be a dick to the russians, right?

the only reason you think it's weird that republicans are slobbering on putin's knob is because you think the cold war never ended, much like a lot of americans who simply cannot wrap their brain around an idea other than "russia is the ultimate evil because chuck norris said so" and thus view russia as some existential nemesis.