2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Benggaul]

The funny thing is the right wing in Norway is basically Democrats in the US, so yea I highly doubt their media is feeding him all of these right wing talking points. The dude is "doing his own research" and going down alt right rabbit holes on Elon Muskrats personal blog and trying to claim it's norweigian media.

There's a simpler explanation: They're trolling.

[fazaim]

No, he's insinuating you are the one doing that.

No, he insinuated you are the one doing that.

[Doomcookie]

Doomcookie, are you going to provide anything substantial other than statements? Instead of replying like an AI, give reasoning for like anything. I'll just reply like you do from now on:

No, I do get to claim just as you get to make statements.

- - - Updated - - -



Omitting context again. I said "a genocide on display." You're much more informed than me on the subject. How many people were killed in the span of that election year, who got the US backing and how often was it reported in the media?

So tell me, if I'm against the actions of a government, does that make me anti-their-religion? You know Jews all over the world are making efforts to stop the genocide, right?

I provided sources from your very first question. I called you out from the start.

[Edge-]

Anyways, back on topic to the ongoing fallout from Racistpalooza 2024 - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/1...llout-00185935

Donald Trump has a serious Puerto Rico problem — in Pennsylvania.

Many Puerto Rican voters in the state are furious about racist and demeaning comments delivered at a Trump rally. Some say their dismay is giving Kamala Harris a new opening to win over the state’s Latino voters, particularly nearly half a million Pennsylvanians of Puerto Rican descent.

Evidence of the backlash was immediate on Monday: A nonpartisan Puerto Rican group drafted a letter urging its members to oppose Trump on election day. Other Puerto Rican voters were lighting up WhatsApp chats with reactions to the vulgar display and raising it in morning conversations at their bodegas. Some are planning to protest Trump’s rally Tuesday in Allentown, a majority-Latino city with one of the largest Puerto Rican populations in the state.

And the arena Trump is speaking at is located in the middle of the city’s Puerto Rican neighborhood.

“It’s spreading like wildfire through the community,” said Norberto Dominguez, a precinct captain with the local Democratic party in Allentown, who noted his own family is half Republican and half Democratic voters.

“It’s not the smartest thing to do, to insult people — a large group of voters here in a swing state — and then go to their home asking for votes,” Dominguez said.

The timing couldn’t be worse for Trump. Almost a week before Election Day, he’s pushing to cut into Harris’ margins among Latinos, especially young men who are worried about the economy. But the comments from pro-Trump comedian Tony Hinchcliffe Sunday night, referring to Puerto Rico as a “floating island of garbage,” has reverberated throughout Pennsylvania and elsewhere, prompting even the former president’s Republican allies to defend the island and denounce the comments. And with the race essentially a toss up, every vote counts — especially in Pennsylvania.

“This was just like a gift from the gods,” said Victor Martinez, an Allentown resident who owns the Spanish language radio station La Mega, noting some Puerto Rican voters in the area have been on the fence about voting at all.

“If we weren’t engaged before, we’re all paying attention now,” Martinez said. He added the morning radio show he hosts was chock-full of callers Monday sounding off on the Trump rally comments, including a Puerto Rican Trump supporter who is now telling people not to vote for the former president.

Donald may have activated many folks who weren't going to vote previously, except the result will be that they vote for Kamala.

In response to questions on the comments, and whether Trump was planning to publicly denounce them, Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement, “Due to President Trump’s plans to cut taxes, end inflation, and stop the surge of illegal immigrants at the southern border, he has more support from the Hispanic American community than any Republican in recent history.”

Donald and his campaign aren't exactly backing away from the racism of that night, either.

[Doomcookie]

No, he insinuated you are the one doing that.

Is this what you have been relegated to, hiding away from the sources you asked for?

[fazaim]

The funny thing is the right wing in Norway is basically Democrats in the US, so yea I highly doubt their media is feeding him all of these right wing talking points. The dude is "doing his own research" and going down alt right rabbit holes on Elon Muskrats personal blog and trying to claim it's norweigian media.

You're right, and I vote left wing here. The media reporting that Tulsi and RFK went republican isn't right wing talking points, they're actual events.

There's a simpler explanation: They're trolling.

There's a simpler explanation: You're all misunderstanding what I'm saying on purpose.

[Doomcookie]

You're right, and I vote left wing here. The media reporting that Tulsi and RFK went republican isn't right wing talking points, they're actual events.



There's a simpler explanation: You're all misunderstanding what I'm saying on purpose.

What about the media reports of all of Trump's former staff who no longer support him?

Did you get that news?

[fazaim]

I provided sources from your very first question. I called you out from the start.

I've referred to said sources several times from there on out.

- - - Updated - - -

What about the media reports of all of Trump's former staff who no longer support him?

Did you get that news?

Of course. There's news about both sides, with the majority of it going to Kamala.

[Edge-]

Back on topic again -

https://archive.is/GXBgQ

One of the more puzzling, albeit obscure, subplots in the final weeks of this campaign season has been Donald Trump’s thunderingly incompetent effort to court Mormon voters.

Earlier this month, the former president’s campaign launched Latter-day Saints for Trump, one of several “coalition” groups designed to coordinate outreach to specific subsections of the electorate. (See also: Catholics for Trump, Jewish Voices for Trump, and Latino Americans for Trump.) The campaign’s special attention to the LDS vote makes sense. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, once the most reliably Republican religious group in the country, have been considerably less loyal to the party in the Trump era. And enough of them live in the closely divided battleground states of Arizona and Nevada to make a difference.

But almost immediately, Latter-day Saints for Trump devolved into a Veep-like comedy of errors. The official website went live on October 7 with a photo of Russel M. Nelson, the president of the Church and a man considered by its members to be a prophet of God. When a reporter for the Church-owned Deseret News asked if the campaign had gotten permission to feature the image, given the Church’s neutrality in partisan politics, the campaign quickly scrubbed the photo from its homepage.

A few days later, users on X discovered a page on the Trump-campaign website selling Mormon-branded merch—including Latter-day Saints for Trump coffee mugs ($25) and koozies (two for $15). When people pointed out that Mormons somewhat famously don’t drink coffee or alcohol, the campaign hastily rebranded the merch, and a social-media pile-on ensued. (“Next: Jews for Trump pork chops.”)

Meanwhile, Mormon-targeted campaign events have been scheduled with an odd indifference to Latter-day Saint religious practice. A canvassing event in Nevada, for example, was held the same weekend as General Conference, a semiannual series of Church broadcasts in which senior leaders deliver sermons and spiritual counsel. (The timing was a “challenge,” admitted the Utah GOP chair, who helped organize the event.) And when Trump held a rally in Prescott, Arizona, with an array of MAGA-Mormon luminaries—including Senator Mike Lee of Utah and the right-wing media personality Glenn Beck—it took place on a Sunday, which Latter-day Saints traditionally set apart for worship, service, and rest, not political events. (Perhaps to address this dissonance, the post-rally Latter-day Saints for Trump Zoom call was advertised as a “virtual fireside,” a reference to evening religious meetings held by Mormons.)

The latest hitch in Trump’s Mormon outreach came yesterday, when the Deseret News reported that Doug Quezada, a founding co-chair of Latter-day Saints for Trump, is being sued for fraud over an alleged scheme involving a cannabis company. (Quezada told the paper the lawsuit was a “shakedown” and denied wrongdoing; in July, a judge denied a motion to dismiss the lawsuit.) Such allegations may be somewhat commonplace in the Republican nominee’s orbit, but the words cannabis company and fraud will not reassure Trump-skeptical Mormons.

A spokesperson for the Trump campaign did not respond to my request for an interview about the rollout of Latter-day Saints for Trump. But Rob Taber, the national director of Latter-day Saints for Harris-Walz, a grassroots group that works closely with the Democratic campaign, was happy to talk. Taber told me he’s been surprised by the “sheer incompetence” of Trump’s efforts, and chalked up the missteps to a lack of practice. “They’re used to being able to count on the LDS vote to be the door-knockers and the foot soldiers of the Republican Party,” Taber told me. “Actually having to engage in persuasion is a little bit new to them.”

Donald continues to partner with Only The Best And Most Competent And Totally Not Idiot Grifters - the latest example being his foray into trying to win the Mormon vote.

[Belize]

Sounds like Bezos went to the Musk and Trump school of how to run a business - after forcing WaPo to drop its endorsement of Harris, there have been over 200,000 subscription cancellations.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/28/nx-s1...s-resignations

While entirely anecdotal, my parents were telling me that combined with the platform selling nothing but garbage now, this pushed them to cancel their prime account and move to other online shopping/music streaming sites.

Not surprised WaPo would be losing subs.

[Edge-]

While entirely anecdotal, my parents were telling me that combined with the platform selling nothing but garbage now, this pushed them to cancel their prime account and move to other online shopping/music streaming sites.

Not surprised WaPo would be losing subs.

My mother moved her NYT sub to WashPo earlier this year after being annoyed with the NYT. She ended WashPo as a result of this, too. Granted Prime is where the real money is, but I hope it's filtering up to WashPo leadership and making them uneasy.

[PhaelixWW]

There's a simpler explanation: You're all misunderstanding what I'm saying on purpose.

I'm unclear how "all but one person is lying" is somehow simpler than "one person is lying".

[Edge-]

I'm unclear how "all but one person is lying" is somehow simpler than "one person is lying".

Big Beverly Crusher vibes (pre-ghost fucking).

[DarkTZeratul]

Donald may have activated many folks who weren't going to vote previously, except the result will be that they vote for Kamala.

I saw an article about this earlier that started with, "What if the October Surprise is MAGA punching itself in the face?"

[Doomcookie]

I've referred to said sources several times from there on out.

- - - Updated - - -



Of course. There's news about both sides, with the majority of it going to Kamala.

So, why didn't you mention it?

If you had actually managed to review all those sources, you'd see you have been wrong from the beginning.

[Fugus]

My mother moved her NYT sub to WashPo earlier this year after being annoyed with the NYT. She ended WashPo as a result of this, too. Granted Prime is where the real money is, but I hope it's filtering up to WashPo leadership and making them uneasy.

I have prime, but I don’t really use it much and rarely watch tv nowadays, but my dad is between a walker and a wheelchair and spends a lot of time on his tv because of it and I have Alexa speakers all around his house to help with the lights and so he can call me if an emergency happens. So kinda stuck with it for now.

When he passes, I plan to cancel Prime, Hulu, Netflix, ESPN+, and Disney+ as he is the only reason I really have any of them now.

[fazaim]

I'm unclear how "all but one person is lying" is somehow simpler than "one person is lying".

Dunno why you bother with it, but I said "It was pretty big on the news here when two former democrats went to the republicans" to which Edge- replied "It was not, actually. Unless you hung around the #WalkAway circles of conservatives cosplaying disaffected liberals" to which I replied "You follow a lot of Norwegian media?"

Then someone else, maybe it was you even, twisted it into "right wing talking points."

[Edge-]

Dunno why you bother with it, but I said "It was pretty big on the news here when two former democrats went to the republicans" to which Edge- replied "It was not, actually. Unless you hung around the #WalkAway circles of conservatives cosplaying disaffected liberals" to which I replied "You follow a lot of Norwegian media?"

Then someone else, maybe it was you even, twisted it into "right wing talking points."

Yes, because it's literally not big news anywhere, especially in the US where it's actually the most relevant.

Do you have a link to this report in Norwegian media about this "major" political development in America? Genuinely curious to see how they framed and reported on the news.

[fazaim]

So, why didn't you mention it?

If you had actually managed to review all those sources, you'd see you have been wrong from the beginning.

Questioning arguments isn't being wrong. You came the conclusion that yesterday's rally was Nazi because there had been a Nazi rally at MSG in '39. You were wrong from the beginning, that's a coincidence at best. The example of Stephen Miller's speech is an example of Nazi rhetoric. You were wrong from the beginning. If you weren't narrow sighted, you'd see you have always been wrong.

[Paranoid Android]

Sounds like Bezos went to the Musk and Trump school of how to run a business - after forcing WaPo to drop its endorsement of Harris, there have been over 200,000 subscription cancellations.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/28/nx-s1...s-resignations

Forgive me not linking source, but one of these two statements is true. 1) Bezos has lost a total of $100 million in WaPo or 2) Bezos lost $100 million this year. Likely the first.

Basically Bezos purchased WaPo for the information power. Lost subscriptions don't mean anything, likely never. This is the danger of the billionaire.

I got the cancellation and sadly enough people are not cancelling Amazon. We all get this sobering fact.