2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[fazaim]

Yes, because it's literally not big news anywhere, especially in the US where it's actually the most relevant.

Do you have a link to this report in Norwegian media about this "major" political development in America? Genuinely curious to see how they framed and reported on the news.

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/4BEqPa/a...ette-til-trump

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/OoyWEb/k...obbe-for-trump

While you're at it, look up the status of the newspaper in Norwegian media as well.

[Doomcookie]

Questioning arguments isn't being wrong. You came the conclusion that yesterday's rally was Nazi because there had been a Nazi rally at MSG in '39. You were wrong from the beginning, that's a coincidence at best. The example of Stephen Miller's speech is an example of Nazi rhetoric. You were wrong from the beginning. If you weren't narrow sighted, you'd see you have always been wrong.

No, I came to that conclusion based on what was said during the rally, along with a decade of Trump and his loyalists doing it over and over again.

You were sea lioning, and have been bombarded with a ton of sources.

[fazaim]

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/4BEqPa/a...ette-til-trump

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/OoyWEb/k...obbe-for-trump

While you're at it, look up the status of the newspaper in Norwegian media as well.

Our national broadcaster NRK also had reports about it almost daily leading up to it during that week. Kennedy is a big name internationally.

[Doomcookie]

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/4BEqPa/a...ette-til-trump

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/OoyWEb/k...obbe-for-trump

While you're at it, look up the status of the newspaper in Norwegian media as well.

If those two were such a big story, then the stories about all the Trump staff and Republicans siding with Harris must have been HUGE.

[fazaim]

No, I came to that conclusion based on what was said during the rally, along with a decade of Trump and his loyalists doing it over and over again.

You were sea lioning, and have been bombarded with a ton of sources.

No, I was ocean dogging, but yes, luckily for you smarter people bombarded me with a ton of sources. Look how I've responded to it.

[Doomcookie]

No, I was ocean dogging, but yes, luckily for you smarter people bombarded me with a ton of sources. Look how I've responded to it.

I gave you sources from the start. You didn't care. But, since you are clearly enlightened, it's good to know you've come around to the realization that it was a Nazi and fascist rally.

[Edge-]

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/4BEqPa/a...ette-til-trump

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/OoyWEb/k...obbe-for-trump

While you're at it, look up the status of the newspaper in Norwegian media as well.

Gotcha, thanks for the links.

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/3MPQGv/t...itt-super-team

I take it this is how you got informed about the rally? Because if so...holy crap this article is really bad and basically a campaign puff piece, heh. Seeing that VG is apparently a tabloid with an ever-dwindling subscribership - I assume those readers are moving online as legacy print media continues to struggle. It's weird seeing them give so much attention on the site to the US election, but reading through some of their coverage like this it's not really very good at all.

[fazaim]

I gave you sources from the start. You didn't care. But, since you are clearly enlightened, it's good to know you've come around to the realization that it was a Nazi and fascist rally.

I did care and continued referring to them throughout the conversation. You however are a by-product of a two party system so deeply ingrained in you it affects your general perception of the world: it's either or; black or white; us or them. You'll never realise there's nuances to obviously complicated matters, it's just wrong if it strays from your perception of it.

[Doomcookie]

I did care and continued referring to them throughout the conversation. You however are a by-product of a two party system so deeply ingrained in you it affects your general perception of the world: it's either or; black or white; us or them. You'll never realise there's nuances to obviously complicated matters, it's just wrong if it strays from your perception of it.

You are the one who wanted to defend Nazis and fascists. There's really not much nuance to that.

[fazaim]

Gotcha, thanks for the links.

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/3MPQGv/t...itt-super-team

I take it this is how you got informed about the rally? Because if so...holy crap this article is really bad and basically a campaign puff piece, heh. Seeing that VG is apparently a tabloid with an ever-dwindling subscribership - I assume those readers are moving online as legacy print media continues to struggle. It's weird seeing them give so much attention on the site to the US election, but reading through some of their coverage like this it's not really very good at all.

No, a "highlight" thread popped up on Twitter then I found this thread here where I asked about what was Nazi and got into this huge discussion.

Yes, that's generally a bad article but VG is not a tabloid (unless the meaning differs in our languages). Not sure how it comes off via translation, but VG is and has always been pro Democratic party when it comes to US politics. Norwegian reporting might come off strange or at least different to you, but it highlights several negative parts that's viewed negatively in Norway like Rudy Giuliani's position on the genocide, as the majority here is pro Palestine. I think media might hide their bias more here and rather pull things like said example.

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You are the one who wanted to defend Nazis and fascists. There's really not much nuance to that.

You don't even get how insulting you are being. I'll just attribute that to your narrow sightedness and wish you good luck in this world.

[Edge-]

No, a "highlight" thread popped up on Twitter then I found this thread here where I asked about what was Nazi and got into this huge discussion.

Yes, that's generally a bad article but VG is not a tabloid (unless the meaning differs in our languages). Not sure how it comes off via translation, but VG is and has always been pro Democratic party when it comes to US politics. Norwegian reporting might come off strange or at least different to you, but it highlights several negative parts that's viewed negatively in Norway like Rudy Giuliani's position on the genocide, as the majority here is pro Palestine. I think media might hide their bias more here and rather pull things like said example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdens_Gang

Going purely by the Wikipedia description.

I'm mostly just shocked at the framing of it - focusing on it as a "family affair" with Melania front and center - and the apparent lack of any mention of the super racist opening comedian or the guy on stage calling Kamala Harris the antichrist while waving a cross around. Pretty nutty stuff.

[fazaim]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdens_Gang

Going purely by the Wikipedia description.

I'm mostly just shocked at the framing of it - focusing on it as a "family affair" with Melania front and center - and the apparent lack of any mention of the super racist opening comedian or the guy on stage calling Kamala Harris the antichrist while waving a cross around. Pretty nutty stuff.

Yes, me too and there's no mention of Miller who had a very bad rep last time around. Maybe it was too late and the journalists couldn't bother sitting up late. Anyway, if you're interested, here's an article from the national broadcast's newspaper that at first glance looks more like the common article you'd expect about such happenings:
https://www.nrk.no/urix/trump-holder...ork-1.17100453

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Puerto Rico, at former President Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday night workshopped the material the night before at a local comedy club.

The comedian, Tony Hinchcliffe, called Puerto Rico a “floating island of garbage” to warm up the New York City crowd — drawing immediate criticism from across the political spectrum and derailing what was supposed to be a night highlighting Trump in the final stretch of the campaign.

It was not the first time Hinchcliffe had used the Puerto Rico line — he practiced it at The Stand comedy club in New York City, where he made a surprise appearance Saturday night, according to an NBC News producer and three other people who happened to be in the audience.

The joke did not draw laughs, just a handful of awkward chuckles. Hinchcliffe told the audience that he would be performing at the Madison Square Garden rally the next day and said multiple times during his routine that he would get a better reaction “tomorrow at the rally.”

God damn, dude was just practicing his unfunny racism to no fuckin response the night before. Thank goodness all the racists came out to give him a few laughs.

Casual reminder of the running theory that conservatives are incapable of being intentionally funny, and largely are only funny purely unintentionally. Because conservative humor is like what we heard at Madison Square Garden, where the punchline is simply "racism is funny".

[Doomcookie]

No, a "highlight" thread popped up on Twitter then I found this thread here where I asked about what was Nazi and got into this huge discussion.

Yes, that's generally a bad article but VG is not a tabloid (unless the meaning differs in our languages). Not sure how it comes off via translation, but VG is and has always been pro Democratic party when it comes to US politics. Norwegian reporting might come off strange or at least different to you, but it highlights several negative parts that's viewed negatively in Norway like Rudy Giuliani's position on the genocide, as the majority here is pro Palestine. I think media might hide their bias more here and rather pull things like said example.

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You don't even get how insulting you are being. I'll just attribute that to your narrow sightedness and wish you good luck in this world.

And yet, that's what you were doing.

[Tech614]

There's a simpler explanation: They're trolling.

They absolutely are, but they also wouldn't be wasting their time doing it if they weren't actually pro Trump.

Being from europe also doesn't excuse them from this, while Europe is largely left of the US there is tons of alt right chuds across the pond that try to muddy the waters of political discusion.

[fazaim]

They absolutely are, but they also wouldn't be wasting their time doing it if they weren't actually pro Trump.

Being from europe also doesn't excuse them from this, while Europe is largely left of the US there is tons of alt right chuds across the pond that try to muddy the waters of political discusion.

Mmm, congregate. Make a juicy hate pudding. Reading through this thread, I think I've been clear enough. You're just perpetuating confusion and hatred at this point, good, give in to your anger.

[postman1782]

If you watched it, would you care to highlight what was Nazi about it?

Literally everything.

[Endus]

There's a genocide going on.

Half the world away and not with US involvement.

The ally is carrying out a genocide and US is currently undermining its role as a moral authority in any other foreign affairs.

And? How is that relevant to the US election? The US doesn't have any appreciable "moral authority" in the world to begin with.

I've said several times now that my impression is that the best hope for Palestinians are the indirect results from other interests of that administration. That's an informed impression.

It's pretty clear that we've demonstrated it's a willfully uninformed/misinformed impression.

I'm not sure you're following the conversation that by now (involving me) has two different subjects. First I came in asking what was Nazi about the rally, and it went on for a bit as I didn't agree with what was labeled nazi or fascist until an example of Stephen Miller was brought up, which was clearly in line with that sort of rhetoric. People said I chose to be wrong when I fundamentally can't be for asking examples. That's not willful ignorance, it's literally asking to be informed as I'd never get through 5 hours of the MSG event.

You not knowing and being unwilling to inform yourself is the literal definition of "willful ignorance". It's nobody's job here to do your homework for you. It's not like this is difficult information to discover.

And when it's willful ignorance, you are the one who chose to be wrong. That's implicit in the "willful". If you just don't know, the only responsible first step is to find out. And that does not mean passing the buck to others to get them to find out for you.

Nor is it when someone labeled something as nazi and I reply "that doesn't fit the criteria for being nazi or fascist," because when finally an example came up of nazi rhetoric, that didn't make the four-five other statements nazi as a result.

This just seems like you're deeply unfamiliar with Nazi rhetoric in general. Trump and the Republicans use the Nazi propaganda playbook, and most of what's changed in the rhetoric are the particular scapegoats identified as the ones they want targeted. Some of them, however, are the same, like the "fake news" rhetoric, which is explicitly and directly originated from the Nazis; they're the ones who made wide use of the concept of "lugenpresse". See also the "Big Lie" tactics, the anti-intellectualism, and so on. It's so prevalent, so completely the core of the Republican rhetorical style and agenda, that no one will take you seriously if you claim you can't see it.

But you guys keep skimming instead of trying to understand what I'm saying and are being fucking obnoxious about it.

We understand the words you're saying. The argument you're expressing is deeply flawed to the point that it's hard to take as a seriously-offered opinion. That's why we're being "obnoxious". You're ignoring the escalation that Trump's already engaged in with regards to Israel, and pretending he'll be the better option for Palestine because <explanation not found>. If improving conditions for Palestine from the American end isn't on the table, then you vote based on other issues. Choosing to argue that you should support the candidate worse for Palestine's future because you can't get your way on that point with the other guy isn't an argument, it's a tantrum.

[postman1782]

I did care and continued referring to them throughout the conversation. You however are a by-product of a two party system so deeply ingrained in you it affects your general perception of the world: it's either or; black or white; us or them. You'll never realise there's nuances to obviously complicated matters, it's just wrong if it strays from your perception of it.

https://www.tiktok.com/@kenforflorid...22539368826399

This is literally a video of the Nazi rhetoric last night. Fuck right off with the both sides bullshit.

[PhaelixWW]

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/4BEqPa/a...ette-til-trump

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/OoyWEb/k...obbe-for-trump

While you're at it, look up the status of the newspaper in Norwegian media as well.

A simple article doesn't equate to "pretty big news".


The first article was buried about about 20 scrolls down the "front page". Just looking at the articles posted above it belies the idea that it was "pretty big news".

You know what was at the top of the front page, though? An article about how Tim Walz's son was teased for being emotional at the DNC.


The second article doesn't even seem to have made the cut at all.

You know what was at the top of the front page, though? A video talking about how Tim Walz is an ideal type of Midwestern dad.


Why aren't you here talking about how Tim Walz is big news in Norway?