2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Kaleredar]

What else should the campaigns spend money on? The potential uses are limited, of course.

I have noticed that in Florida spending on the Trump/Harris campaigns seems to be very... well, limited, as far as I can anecdotally see. After the Biden/Trump debate I saw Trump billboards go up, but they seem to have largely vanished. Meanwhile, I've received many flyers for the various candidates running downballot, but I'm fairly certain I've received none for Trump or Harris themselves.

[PhaelixWW]

I have noticed that in Florida spending on the Trump/Harris campaigns seems to be very... well, limited, as far as I can anecdotally see. After the Biden/Trump debate I saw Trump billboards go up, but they seem to have largely vanished. Meanwhile, I've received many flyers for the various candidates running downballot, but I'm fairly certain I've received none for Trump or Harris themselves.

I would imagine our experiences will necessarily differ from those of people in swing states, of course, at least for Harris/Trump ads.

[Kaleredar]

I would imagine our experiences will necessarily differ from those of people in swing states, of course, at least for Harris/Trump ads.

I only bring it up because I visited a friend in North Carolina recently and, while I didn't see his mail specifically, there were those little yard signs all over the place for both Harris and Trump. Not just in yards, but along medians, highway roadsides, etc.

Perhaps after 2016, 2020, and the Desantis of it all both parties no longer consider Florida a swing state.

[Paranoid Android]

What else should the campaigns spend money on? The potential uses are limited, of course.

I would spend more money on canvassing. In person, outreach programs might be better?

I just think its lazy on mass advertising, which again is ancient mailers and tv ads. Then my comment is both campaigns are $1 billion plus and they spend money like at the strip club. TV stations and what not must love this shit. I commented before but battleground state markets probably make enough money this one year than a couple years combined.

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I only bring it up because I visited a friend in North Carolina recently and, while I didn't see his mail specifically, there were those little yard signs all over the place for both Harris and Trump. Not just in yards, but along medians, highway roadsides, etc.

Perhaps after 2016, 2020, and the Desantis of it all both parties no longer consider Florida a swing state.

Trump is effective probably cause of billionaires with "eff you money" who keep up Spanish talk shows and well just the right wing media in general and now basically every Bro podcast is with him.

Note: If I must explain for commentors coming across this. I'm stating both sides so this is not slamming Kamala. Calm down peeps.

[gondrin]

This is from the Las Vegas Sphere.

I will say campaign spending is effin crazy. Money spent still on antiquated tv ads and flyers, etc., I wonder if this works or both parties just set in their ways. I quickly skimmed some articles saying there is no effect, idk. I'm cynic here and say they are just lazy and keep doing the same thing that was done 20, 30 or 50 years ago.

As far as flyers go, probably in the start it is fine however people eventually sour on it because of the volume that come in. And when it comes to actual political spending, I see far more adverts for local races like city/state and House/Senate races. I rarely see very much of adverts for Harris/Trump that actually come from Harris/Trump.

[PhaelixWW]

Then my comment is both campaigns are $1 billion plus and they spend money like at the strip club. TV stations and what not must love this shit. I commented before but battleground state markets probably make enough money this one year than a couple years combined.

Yet another thing that getting rid of the Electoral College would help.

Or maybe those dollars would just shift to high population areas instead. Who knows, but it would still be more proportional than now, at least.

[Kathranis]

I'm just trying to understand your response. The "pattern of violent rhetoric and threats against poll watches/workers from Republicans" and it's applicability to a news story on a Democrat threatening violence against a Republican recruiter.

Why does the linked article have no sources? Why was it co-written by fucking Jack Posobiec, a known white supremacist and conspiracy theorist with a history of spreading disinformation and Russian propaganda?

Like, seriously, you want me to respond to that fucking trash? From the guy who hyped up Pizzagate? Give me a fucking break.

[Tech614]

Yet another thing that getting rid of the Electoral College would help.

Or maybe those dollars would just shift to high population areas instead. Who knows, but it would still be more proportional than now, at least.

National and regional ads are also sold in different blocks. They could just buy more national ads and less regional ones, more expensive but probably hits more viewers per dollar. Individual PACs would probably be the ones buying the regional ones still.

[Skjaldborg]

A) Who the hell let grandpa near a microphone at the 11th hour of this campaign season?

B) It’s laughable how badly mainstream media wants Trump to win. It took ages for anybody to report on the Nazi rally at MSG, but Biden’s gaffe is getting immediate coverage from multiple outlets.

Hopefully Kamala’s speech and Trump’s awful stench keep attention.

[Breccia]

Trump admits the "garbage" line was really that bad.

What they’ve done is taken somebody that has nothing to do with the party, has nothing to do with us, said something. And they try to make a big deal.

But I don’t know who it is. I don’t even know who put him in, and I can’t imagine it’s a big deal.

-- Trump, on Hannity

"That's the opposite of what you claimed he said."

Yes. That's how Trump lying works. He's back to his usual "I don't know who he is" with a dash of "I don't know who put him in". It was your campaign who put him in and let him speak uninterrupted. It had everything to do with the party, considering the Trump campaign booked him and put him in the rally on purpose. And if it wasn't a big deal, why did Hannity ask about it?

[DarkTZeratul]

Sounds familiar...

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/75072...eir-own-2-feet in case you'd forgotten that quote.

[PhaelixWW]

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/75072...eir-own-2-feet in case you'd forgotten that quote.

Are you effing kidding me? That was a real quote?!?

I feel the sudden need to go do some heavy bag work for a bit...

[DarkTZeratul]

Are you effing kidding me? That was a real quote?!?

To be fair, there has been a LOT of bullshit since then. It can be hard to keep track of it all.

[Tech614]

The lengths that MAGA is willing to go to help their leader win is truly frightening.

When Kamala wins next week, all hell is going to break loose.

Eh, SCOTUS has given Biden the power to squash any coup attempt by any means necessary so I'm still far more worried in the situation where she doesn't win than these idiots attempting much of note after the election. Maybe a few isolated incidents ofc but not that concerned compared to Trump wanting to send the military on his "enemies within".

If Harris wins we'll be eating good and laughing at conservative schadenfreude imo, they will be prepared to stop any bullshit like another Jan 6th happening.

[Kaleredar]

If Harris wins we'll be eating good

I'm of this same sentiment. If and hopefully when Harris wins next week, we can all breathe a collective giant sigh of relief.

Everything about Trump's campaign this time around has been decidedly lower-energy and less organized than before. I expect any "coup" attempt will follow suit. And for all the unhinged terrorist intent of the January 6th insurrection attempt, they came no where close to overthrowing Biden replacing Trump. Even if they had cajoled Pence into "refusing to certify," it would have meant absolutely nothing. Pence's role was purely ceremonial.

And even if tragedy strikes and some nutjob is able to pull off something violent against Harris, Walz, whomever... there's no mechanism where Trump finds himself back in power.

[PhaelixWW]

I expect any "coup" attempt will follow suit.

Biden will be President on January 6th this time, not Trump.

That difference is significant.

[Kaleredar]

Biden will be President on January 6th this time, not Trump.

That difference is significant.

Well, yeah.

But I mean a coup coming from Trump. What I'm sure we will see given the hopeful Trump loss is him bitching and moaning about the election being stolen, not-so-subtly trying to rouse some degree of political violence to overturn the results, having some half-assed gathering of generally unmotivated MAGA morons shuffling around DC, and having them turned back by the capital police/national guard/whomever Biden and co deem necessary to prevent another January 6th from bubbling up.

[PhaelixWW]

Well, yeah.

But I mean a coup coming from Trump.

I know, I just meant that Biden won't delay the National Guard response to any violence, like Trump did.

[Draco-Onis]

Biden calling all Trump supporters "Garbage" and all of the Trumpers are clutching their pearls about it like their guy didn't literally just call all of Puerto Rico garbage last night.

I don't know why the actual fuck is Joseph Biden giving any interviews? he should stay in his basement and never talk to anyone until election day. He is very unpopular, I see this differently Biden's gigantic ego is once again trying to throw Trump a lifeline. I am a cynic so I think he badly wants Harris to lose just so he can be delusional and say he would have won.

[Shadowferal]

Biden will be President on January 6th this time, not Trump.
That difference is significant.

Maybe Trump will have the balls to visibly lead the coup this time.