2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[tikcol]

Which is the reason for the Hmm.
They don't seem to teach geography wherever he's from, which is especially weird since he claims to be in the EU. You'd think someone from mainland Europe would know the difference between Austria and Australia.

There's a misunderstanding here which is genuinely just a happy mistake on your part. I meant Australia because someone earlier said I was from there because I used the term "drongo"

[ati87]

I don't know why the actual fuck is Joseph Biden giving any interviews? he should stay in his basement and never talk to anyone until election day. He is very unpopular, I see this differently Biden's gigantic ego is once again trying to throw Trump a lifeline. I am a cynic so I think he badly wants Harris to lose just so he can be delusional and say he would have won.

I dont think your to far off when it comes to ego. Because if you look at the last 4-6 years Biden wasn't really front and center, in 2020 he had the covid excuse but what was his excuse the last 3 years.

So Biden going out of his way to do interviews is kind of weird.

[DarkTZeratul]

I don't know why the actual fuck is Joseph Biden giving any interviews? he should stay in his basement and never talk to anyone until election day. He is very unpopular, I see this differently Biden's gigantic ego is once again trying to throw Trump a lifeline. I am a cynic so I think he badly wants Harris to lose just so he can be delusional and say he would have won.

I think you've gone beyond cynical into delusional. The entire "Joe Biden is mad he got pushed out" narrative exists solely in right-wing propaganda and has no basis in reality. While he hasn't given any reason why he dropped out, there's really no reason not to think it wasn't ultimately his decision, or that he doesn't want Harris to win.

[Draco-Onis]

I think you've gone beyond cynical into delusional. The entire "Joe Biden is mad he got pushed out" narrative exists solely in right-wing propaganda and has no basis in reality. While he hasn't given any reason why he dropped out, there's really no reason not to think it wasn't ultimately his decision, or that he doesn't want Harris to win.

You do not get to the point where Joe Biden is without developing a giant ego, that's also ignoring his history of trying to run for president and holding onto power for dear life. He spent months saying that no one can beat Trump but him even bashing Harris, if you think he is holding hands with the Harris campaign signing koombaya then I would like to know what kind of drugs you are smoking.

The only way he wouldn't be pissed given his past actions is if he wasn't human heck he hasn't spoken to Pelosi since dropping out.

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I dont think your to far off when it comes to ego. Because if you look at the last 4-6 years Biden wasn't really front and center, in 2020 he had the covid excuse but what was his excuse the last 3 years.

So Biden going out of his way to do interviews is kind of weird.

Exactly why is he even out there at this crucial time if not to sabotage Harris, no sane campaign manager would want that for Harris.

[Doomcookie]

I'm sorry but did you quote the wrong person? We're talking about someone charged with election-related threats to a State Party Representative. If the previous source was not to your taste, I can give you an official one.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/phila...representative



Is this the kind of language you want to normalize and play whataboutism about?

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We already established that this particular article written by Jack Posobiec is in fact legitimate

https://www.inquirer.com/news/john-c...-20241021.html

You mean like the guy you support was charged?

Why the hypocrisy?

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I'm just trying to understand your response. The "pattern of violent rhetoric and threats against poll watches/workers from Republicans" and it's applicability to a news story on a Democrat threatening violence against a Republican recruiter.

Please respond on-topic to what I posted: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...4#post54579854
I'm sure you want whatabout assassination attempts against Trump when that's relevant. I'm glad this wasn't a news story about another assassination attempt.

You still have yet to respond regarding your support of January 6th.

[Marfrilau]

A) Who the hell let grandpa near a microphone at the 11th hour of this campaign season?

B) It’s laughable how badly mainstream media wants Trump to win. It took ages for anybody to report on the Nazi rally at MSG, but Biden’s gaffe is getting immediate coverage from multiple outlets.

Hopefully Kamala’s speech and Trump’s awful stench keep attention.

Who the hell wrote that for him? Given the context it's pretty safe to assume that the text read supporters' meaning that the supporters weren't garbage themselves. Supporters aren't floating around out there. The garbage they spew does. But why the hell would you construct the sentence like that?!

[En Sabah Nur]

This is from the Las Vegas Sphere.

I will say campaign spending is effin crazy. Money spent still on antiquated tv ads and flyers, etc., I wonder if this works or both parties just set in their ways. I quickly skimmed some articles saying there is no effect, idk. I'm cynic here and say they are just lazy and keep doing the same thing that was done 20, 30 or 50 years ago.

Hard to read the bold and take you seriously given the pic you also included, tbh.

And, sadly, that stuff is still important, anyway.

[DarkTZeratul]

You do not get to the point where Joe Biden is without developing a giant ego, that's also ignoring his history of trying to run for president and holding onto power for dear life. He spent months saying that no one can beat Trump but him even bashing Harris, if you think he is holding hands with the Harris campaign signing koombaya then I would like to know what kind of drugs you are smoking.

I think you're letting your preconceived notions that Joe Biden is somehow a power-hungry egomaniac, combined with Trump's insistence that he's furious about being forced out in some sort of coup, interfere with your perception of reality and all evidence to the contrary. Hell, the other day someone asked if it was bittersweet casting a vote for Harris, and his response was "Just sweet."

The only way he wouldn't be pissed given his past actions is if he wasn't human heck he hasn't spoken to Pelosi since dropping out.

Is it truly so hard to conceive that somebody could decide to make a selfless choice for the betterment of the country? Are you really so cynical that you cannot even fathom the possibility?

Exactly why is he even out there at this crucial time if not to sabotage Harris, no sane campaign manager would want that for Harris.

I think you're the one whose sanity is slipping, because the obvious answer is "to help the Democratic candidate." Exactly what is Biden doing to sabotage her campaign? Remember, Trump is the one who's petty and obsessed with revenge.

[Poopymonster]

Sounds familiar...

As the late great Robin Williams said "The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying, 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and yelling, 'You want a piece of me?'"

[En Sabah Nur]

I don't know why the actual fuck is Joseph Biden giving any interviews? he should stay in his basement and never talk to anyone until election day. He is very unpopular, I see this differently Biden's gigantic ego is once again trying to throw Trump a lifeline. I am a cynic so I think he badly wants Harris to lose just so he can be delusional and say he would have won.

I think its cute that certain posters keep saying this.

TIL Biden has a "gigantic ego," though. Can't say I see it. Certainly don't see this "cynic" narrative.

[Doomcookie]

You do not get to the point where Joe Biden is without developing a giant ego, that's also ignoring his history of trying to run for president and holding onto power for dear life. He spent months saying that no one can beat Trump but him even bashing Harris, if you think he is holding hands with the Harris campaign signing koombaya then I would like to know what kind of drugs you are smoking.

The only way he wouldn't be pissed given his past actions is if he wasn't human heck he hasn't spoken to Pelosi since dropping out.

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Exactly why is he even out there at this crucial time if not to sabotage Harris, no sane campaign manager would want that for Harris.

Biden may have a huge ego, but he also knows how the game works. It took the Democrats much longer to convince him, but he knew the score. The guy is all about a legacy and public image. This was his best course of action, given the circumstances. The reality is that he should have sworn to not run again after he won in 2020, and let the new batch of Dems jockey for position. But, his ego did get in the way for a few years.

[Draco-Onis]

I think you're letting your preconceived notions that Joe Biden is somehow a power-hungry egomaniac, combined with Trump's insistence that he's furious about being forced out in some sort of coup, interfere with your perception of reality and all evidence to the contrary. Hell, the other day someone asked if it was bittersweet casting a vote for Harris, and his response was "Just sweet."

Is it truly so hard to conceive that somebody could decide to make a selfless choice for the betterment of the country? Are you really so cynical that you cannot even fathom the possibility?

Did you just memory hole what happened? let me refresh your memory the donors fled, his approval rating tanked even further even then Biden was saying only Jesus Christ himself would make him leave. Don't get me wrong no one cares because Biden's relationship was always transactional, he needed to go long ago and it's insane it took him so long. But to buy into this bullshit narrative that he selflessly walk away spare me he had no choice, Pelosi and the donors were going to force his hand, he left kicking and screaming and he still is.

I think you're the one whose sanity is slipping, because the obvious answer is "to help the Democratic candidate." Exactly what is Biden doing to sabotage her campaign? Remember, Trump is the one who's petty and obsessed with revenge.

What about Biden would help Harris? surely it's not his current popularity or his strong oratory skills? If you were a campaign manager why would you want him out there?

[Doomcookie]

Did you just memory hole what happened? let me refresh your memory the donors fled, his approval rating tanked even further even then Biden was saying only Jesus Christ himself would make him leave. Don't get me wrong no one cares because Biden's relationship was always transactional, he needed to go long ago and it's insane it took him so long. But to buy into this bullshit narrative that he selflessly walk away spare me he had no choice, Pelosi and the donors were going to force his hand, he left kicking and screaming and he still is.



What about Biden would help Harris? surely it's not his current popularity or his strong oratory skills? If you were a campaign manager why would you want him out there?

You pretty much answered the question. He's out there to try and sell the idea that stepping aside was voluntary. It's the last push, so any and all hands are on deck. Biden may have been reluctant, but he was eventually sold on the realization that he was going to lose. The guy may have a huge ego, but that's largely based on his legacy. Pelosi probably just made it clear that he would be known as the guy who handed the presidency to a fascist, and screwed the Democratic Party.

[Iphie]

Biden may have a huge ego, but he also knows how the game works. It took the Democrats much longer to convince him, but he knew the score. The guy is all about a legacy and public image. This was his best course of action, given the circumstances. The reality is that he should have sworn to not run again after he won in 2020, and let the new batch of Dems jockey for position. But, his ego did get in the way for a few years.

I could have sworn he had said something to that effect, but I also assume he didn't expect Trump would run again. Quite apart from that, wouldn't a pledge like that be a bit detrimental? I mean wouldn't that make him a "lame duck" on arrival?

[Draco-Onis]

You pretty much answered the question. He's out there to try and sell the idea that stepping aside was voluntary. It's the last push, so any and all hands are on deck. Biden may have been reluctant, but he was eventually sold on the realization that he was going to lose. The guy may have a huge ego, but that's largely based on his legacy. Pelosi probably just made it clear that he would be known as the guy who handed the presidency to a fascist, and screwed the Democratic Party.

Except for the timing, Trump just handed Harris this big beautiful gift with his Nazi rally and he is drowning looking for a lifeline. Here comes Biden putting his foot in his mouth distracting from Trump's disaster. He has plenty of time to rehab his image after the election is over and he went on a tour before then. I can't see this as anything but an attempt at sabotage on his part.

[En Sabah Nur]

I can't see this as anything but an attempt at sabotage on his part.

You see what you want to see. And given your posting history, what you're seeing is hardly surprising.

[Doomcookie]

I could have sworn he had said something to that effect, but I also assume he didn't expect Trump would run again. Quite apart from that, wouldn't a pledge like that be a bit detrimental? I mean wouldn't that make him a "lame duck" on arrival?

I don't think it makes him a lame duck. I think it sells the narrative that he's there to bring sanity back, and open the door to new Dems. Trump said he was running very early on. I think most would agree that if Trump never runs for 2024, then Biden also doesn't.

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Except for the timing, Trump just handed Harris this big beautiful gift with his Nazi rally and he is drowning looking for a lifeline. Here comes Biden putting his foot in his mouth distracting from Trump's disaster. He has plenty of time to rehab his image after the election is over and he went on a tour before then. I can't see this as anything but an attempt at sabotage on his part.

Biden speaking was probably scheduled ahead of that. I don't think Biden distracted at all from Trump's Nazi rally. I honestly have not heard a single person talking about Biden after the Trump rally, other than you. Nobody cares about Biden, but if he can take one last shot at Trump being a fascist pig, he deserves the chance.

[DarkAmbient]

The entire "Joe Biden is mad he got pushed out" narrative exists solely in right-wing propaganda and has no basis in reality.

On what basis do you say that? Because Biden himself said so? People need to stop spinning shit in a positive light just because someone is 'our guy'. It took weeks to shove him out, he did not like it at all. He only quit because his position essentially became untenable. Of course he's not going to get up on stage and bitch about it. The guy is decent enough and smart enough to act gracefully in public.

[fwc577]

Except for the timing, Trump just handed Harris this big beautiful gift with his Nazi rally and he is drowning looking for a lifeline. Here comes Biden putting his foot in his mouth distracting from Trump's disaster. He has plenty of time to rehab his image after the election is over and he went on a tour before then. I can't see this as anything but an attempt at sabotage on his part.

You act like if Biden hadn't made this "gaffe" that everything would be peachy right now. That's not how the Nazi-right works. They nitpick and scrutinize every little thing. Since this happened, this is the thing they're using to try and distract from the fact they're fascist fucks who are pro-internment camps and Nazi-traitorous pieces of fucking shit.

Ignore the noise that the billionaires at Faux News and CuNtN Networks have decided to elevate because their Nazi overlords wants another round of tax cuts.

[Bodakane]

If she wins, I hope they try, tbh. For 2 reasons:

1. The smackdown on MAGAts will be swift, harsh and severe. It would take out a lot of idiots and serve as warning to the rest.
2. I'm not a good person.

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On what basis do you say that? Because Biden himself said so? People need to stop spinning shit in a positive light just because someone is 'our guy'. It took weeks to shove him out, he did not like it at all. He only quit because his position essentially became untenable. Of course he's not going to get up on stage and bitch about it. The guy is decent enough and smart enough to act gracefully in public.

The point of the right saying he's mad about it, is because they think it will sow division. So, if Biden is mad, but not letting it be a distraction, then based on the point of the right, your post is semantics. I don't mean for that to come across like I'm giving you shit or insulting you.