2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Gestopft]

World Series just ended with California triumphing over New y=. Hopefully the election will follow suit?

The rules are the rules, I didn't make them, but 8 years after Trump and the Democrats still don't understand how to play the optics game.

When the rules are "Trump and the GOP can endlessly spew hateful rhetoric but the Democrats have to maintain civility" it's a pretty good indication that a) Trump is a cult, and b) the media has massively failed us by choosing entertainment over information.

[Doomcookie]

The rules are the rules, I didn't make them, but 8 years after Trump and the Democrats still don't understand how to play the optics game.

It's not like Harris had a great chance even before this - they had to play everything perfect and this was a major fumble. Didn't even Obama used to say something about how Joe would always find a way to mess something up?

If the rules don't apply to the guy you support, don't expect them to apply to the other guy. Biden is just being honest, and telling it like it is.

This is what has always been funny about you Trump supporters. Your entire thing was about "breaking the rules," so those rules don't exist at your convenience. I cannot find a single instance of your outrage at Trump insulting veterans, or trying to overthrow the government.

Biden was 100% correct, and good for him for saying it. I love when people say what we are all thinking.

Why does your guy get to be a racist sack of shit, but others can't point it out?

[PhaelixWW]

It's not like Harris had a great chance even before this - they had to play everything perfect and this was a major fumble.

How exactly is this a major fumble? Who's going to be upset by this? Trump voters?

Maybe they won't vote for Biden, then.

Oh, wait.

Not only is Biden not running, but diehard Trump voters who might take this personally were almost certainly not going to vote for Harris anyway.

Will some non-voters who were leaning Trump decide to vote now because of it? Maybe, but the less likely that they were to vote for Trump in the first place, the less likely they are to hear about this and take offense at this point.

It's cute that you think this is somehow a bigger deal than casting insults at Puerto Rico in a GoP rally. One is insulting an entire people for simply where they were born, some of whom might even be among your supporters. The other is insulting people for a choice they made to follow a rapist felon determined to tear down the fabric of democracy in this country.

The two are not the same, though I understand your desperate attempts to frame the narrative otherwise.

[Dontrike]

Oh man, Joe really shit the bed, didn't he?

And before the Trump whataboutism, it's been clear for several years now that the rules are different for either side, agree with it or not. Dems KNOW these rules, and somehow still can't play by them.

"Guys, this is bad for Biden because Trump is allowed to insult people nonstop, but Biden can't because I said so!" Jog on with that pearl clutching, red hat. No one is buying it and it won't suddenly shift voters towards Trump, especially after Trump's campaign insulted entire peoples.

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So, how deep a color do we think Trump will stop at?

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Oompa Loompa seems to be the current shade.

I can't tell if his skin is brighter than the orange vest he threw on to cosplay like a dump truck driver in a vein attempt to make Biden's "garbage" comment seem something worse.

[postman1782]

Hey, that was bad then and this is bad now.

Not hard.

You didn't fucking say anything then. Stop sea-lioning.

[arandomuser]

i dont think bidens comment mattered, i dont think hillarys comment mattered, trumps supporters are deplorable, hillary lost because of the comey letter, 4 years of benghazi and endless unsubstantiated allegations of personal corruption lead by the medias endless covering of her emails.trump routinely calls all democrats communists and degenerates. In 2016 if you wanted to make the case that a laid off factory worker was going to vote for trump in spite of everything because he promised to end nafta or w/e and wasnt a deplorable, fine but in 2024 trump has an actual record and its literally joe biden and dems that tbrought back manufacturing there is no excuse except they actively like the authoritarianism and racism, kamala or joe should never publicly say it but me as a lowly poster gladly will!

[callipygoustp]

I wasn't going to vote for Biden anyway. Still going with Harris.

[s_bushido]

i dont think bidens comment mattered, i dont think hillarys comment mattered

in 2024 trump has an actual record and its literally joe biden and dems that tbrought back manufacturing

That doesn't matter, either. As evidenced by the fact that the Trump campaign can say stupid shit like "are you better off now than you were four years ago" and not immediately get laughed out of the fucking room. Reality doesn't matter to his supporters. And for the """undecided""" who can't be bothered to pay attention long enough to know who they're going to vote for, Biden's record is clearly irrelevant anyway...since they have no idea what it even is.

[Draco-Onis]

Waiting for the day when journalists in general return to the ethics of objectivity rather than neutrality. Neutrality is intentional bias. Objectivity is a reliance on the facts. A "neutral" take on why right-wing social media users get banned more often than left-wingers would suggest that there's an imbalance to be seen in how moderation occurs. And that's a determinably false statement. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07942-8

The reality is that yes, right-wing users get banned more often, but it's because they break the rules more often. They post more misinformation, in this particular study's determination, specifically. If one group is 80% more likely to post misinformation that breaks site rules, then it's entirely reasonable that they get banned 80% more often.

A neutral take suggests it all has to be taken as if all sides are comparable in merit, regardless of whether that is true or not. An objective take is worried about the truth.

Neutrality in journalism is disinformation. It's an ethically compromised attempt to offer succor specifically to groups who offend sensibilities regarding truth and decency more than others. Anyone arguing that journalists must remain neutral is not arguing for ethical journalism. They're whining because their "side" is objectively worse and it hurts their fee-fees to have it pointed out.

We should also come to terms with the fact that Donald Trump is amazing for their ratings and bottom line. The Trump years the main stream media got some of their best numbers so they wouldn't be too sad if Trump won. CNN's relevance is because of Trump they used him as much as he used them to get into office. The saying show me the incentive and I will show you the outcomes comes into play here.

[Flarelaine]

Trump speaks to cameras from campaign-branded garbage truck.

The problem? No one told him his place is not in the cab.

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Any ideas on why Trump in 2016, despite all the rhetoric you and I have heard, actually improved on Latino vote share over mild-mannered 2012 Romney? That's pretty much ancient history at this point. The polling over the past months suggests that Trump's gains in that demographic in this election will overshadow the 2016-->2020 improvement. I have some pet theories, but I'd be interested if you've given the matter deep thought and come to any explanations.

No idea. Better minds than I am have been trying to work out this puzzle - why would anyone want to vote for a narcissistic manchild with no redeeming personal quality and a string of objective business failures? I can accept that he appeals to some demographics by flattering them but he has spent a lot more time attacking Latinos than flattering.

The one semi-reasonable justification I can think of is the "screw you, I got mine" mindset where immigrants who have already put down roots flock to the GOP to shut out others from possibilities they themselves enjoyed.

[Draco-Onis]

Trump speaks to cameras from campaign-branded garbage truck.

The problem? No one told him his place is not in the cab.

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No idea. Better minds than I am have been trying to work out this puzzle - why would anyone want to vote for a narcissistic manchild with no redeeming personal quality and a string of objective business failures? I can accept that he appeals to some demographics by flattering them but he has spent a lot more time attacking Latinos than flattering.

The one semi-reasonable justification I can think of is the "screw you, I got mine" mindset where immigrants who have already put down roots flock to the GOP to shut out others from possibilities they themselves enjoyed.

I think people greatly underestimate Trump's nationalism brand and immigrants need to feel like they belong in this country. That's how you have minorities voting for Hitler or slaves supporting slavery. The pressure to be the "one of the good ones" is very real for anyone who comes to this country and didn't feel like part of the in group for a long time.

[gondrin]

How? He was just "telling it like it is".

Trumpers should respect the hell out of that.


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Right?

I mean, shouldn't they be glad he did that as they are always happy when their guy shits the bed.

[Gelannerai]

I mean, shouldn't they be glad he did that as they are always happy when their guy shits the bed.

I mean, yeah, if consistency and integrity were characteristics they possessed or even aspired to. /shrug

[Belize]

Trump speaks to cameras from campaign-branded garbage truck.

The problem? No one told him his place is not in the cab.

The other problem, which should be plastered all over the media *but isn't*, is Trump apparently entirely losing his depth perception and clearly struggling to walk.
https://imgur.com/gallery/trump-stum...o-walk-fUTC3Ig

Where is all the pearl clutching about his age? Why is @Somewhatconcerned not concern trolling for multiple pages about how being this old and running the country is a problem, especially since Trump definitively didn't have "multiple mini strokes", a fact we were given completely unprompted.

[Iphie]

The other problem, which should be plastered all over the media *but isn't*, is Trump apparently entirely losing his depth perception and clearly struggling to walk.
https://imgur.com/gallery/trump-stum...o-walk-fUTC3Ig

Where is all the pearl clutching about his age? Why is @Somewhatconcerned not concern trolling for multiple pages about how being this old and running the country is a problem, especially since Trump definitively didn't have "multiple mini strokes", a fact we were given completely unprompted.

I'm not usually a fan of pointing out disabilities but this just means you're not choosing between Trump and Harris but rather between Harris and Vance... (to be honest though given that the GOP has been giving Biden a lot of crap over this kind of stuff they really deserve all the crap coming towards them.)

[Breccia]

FOX News *ding* shows the garbage truck and praised it, meaning "oh no, Biden said something baaaaaaaaaaaad" is no longer a valid complaint and will be regarded as disingenuous posting from here on out.

Also, for whatever reason, FOX News showed Trump grab for a stationary door handle and miss, then struggle to climb up two stairs into the truck. Why they showed their old, feeble, sick and fat candidate struggling with something as simple as "gets in a truck" is beyond me.

[Jessicka]

Looks like people are just clutching for excuses as to why they're voting for Trump at this point. They know he's terrible, and it will be terrible for the country, but its like the Big Red Button at this point.

[Breccia]

Looks like people are just clutching for excuses as to why they're voting for Trump at this point.

I have to agree, every single "oh no, the Democrats did XXX" has always been countered with "Trump did that and worse". The only excuse which isn't pure hypocrisy, besides being a racist of course, is "I am pro-life" which is losing ground.

[Paranoid Android]

FOX News *ding* shows the garbage truck and praised it, meaning "oh no, Biden said something baaaaaaaaaaaad" is no longer a valid complaint and will be regarded as disingenuous posting from here on out.

Also, for whatever reason, FOX News showed Trump grab for a stationary door handle and miss, then struggle to climb up two stairs into the truck. Why they showed their old, feeble, sick and fat candidate struggling with something as simple as "gets in a truck" is beyond me.

Didn't Hillary stumble and it was the worst thing in history?

Also the garbage truck metaphor is puzzling. The truck represents his supporters and he is collecting them? Idk.

[gondrin]

Didn't Hillary stumble and it was the worst thing in history?

Also the garbage truck metaphor is puzzling. The truck represents his supporters and he is collecting them? Idk.

I mean, this is the same guy who cannot operate closing an umbrella.