2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Bodakane]

So we're going with ignoring reality. Polls are not bullshit. They are valid tool to gauge how people are feeling about a candidate at any given time. A candidate doesn't win off poll performance alone, and you know no one is implying that, polls absolutely show that Harris's has measurably slowed down.



Registration numbers go up every presidential cycle. It's called population growth and a country that only likes to vote every 4 years.

You're wrong. If polls were right they'd all be saying the something, and they are not.

Tell you what, friendly wager, if she wins and its not that close then you publicly admit I was right or if she barely wins or loses I'll publicly admit you were right.

[Tech614]

Reagan did run a great campaign. He got an extremely ruthless manager who wanted to win at any cost.

Reagan did not have to win at any cost. He was not hitting a half court buzzer, he was hitting a layup with no one in the lane. Southern Strategy has more impact on modern day than it did on Reagan's campaign, dude was winning in a landslide no matter what. It's just a reality of where the country was atm and how bad the democrat party was in disarray.

[PhaelixWW]

Tell you what, friendly wager, if she wins and its not that close then you publicly admit I was right or if she barely wins or loses I'll publicly admit you were right.

How close is close?

[DarkTZeratul]

Haven't the polls been wrong since 2016?

An incredibly reductive take that demonstrates a profound ignorance of the topic, either willful or otherwise. For one thing, polls are not predictions, they're snapshots of current feedback. For another, you'd be hard-pressed to find such a thing that said "Hillary Clinton will 100% be the winner." They all acknowledged there was a chance Trump could win, even if it was a small one. But hat they said Clinton was more likely to win doesn't make them "wrong" just because the less likely outcome occurred.

Polls absolutely do have their problems, and it's important to recognize that, but just saying "the polls are wrong" just blows past any and all degree of nuance and analysis to simplify the point so much it becomes meaningless.

[Doomcookie]

How can an impression be a lie, like fundamentally? Maybe you mean inaccurate. Call it initial impression then, because my reasoning for it was before most of the info was handed to me and also the reason for why it was handed to me. You still seem very confused about what I'm saying.

In my reasoning, I referred to the Muslim leaders giving their support to Trump. Now read the article and read for yourself their reasoning. Thing is, on both sides, no one who cares about this issue understands what any of it means. What does 'finish the job' imply; get the hostages or flattened the place? What does Kamala saying 'Israel has a right to defend itself' imply? That as long as there are shots fired at them, i.e. resistance, they can continue their current efforts?

It's you attempting to spread a lie with an impression that is false. It was false when you first pushed it. it became a lie when you decided to push past the evidence in order to try and spread it. You don't get to hide behind ignorance, when others provided the evidence to inform you.

Their reasoning, just like yours, is objectively false.

The GOP has not made any secrets, and that has all been provided for you. You have actual platform policies and confirmation from the party leaders that you, and those ignorant voters are spreading lies.

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Do you know what a nazi is? Your using a buzzword devauling the true meaning of what it is.



The Electoral College is fine.



Another buzzword and talking point. He has never been convicted of rape.

smells like alot of Trump derangement syndrome here

Yep, and it has been well covered. The Electoral College is the reason we have two parties. You bemoaned the two-party system, but keep defending the reason it exists.

Trump was found liable in court for sexual abuse. Why do you support sexual abuse? Do you care you explain why you condone sexual abuse?

[Ivanstone]

Reagan did not have to win at any cost. He was not hitting a half court buzzer, he was hitting a layup with no one in the lane. Southern Strategy has more impact on modern day than it did on Reagan's campaign, dude was winning in a landslide no matter what. It's just a reality of where the country was atm and how bad the democrat party was in disarray.

All of that is true.

And Atwater was still his campaign manager. That's the kind of guy Reagan really was. He would hire a pitbull like Atwater even though he really didn't need it.

[Doomcookie]

Propaganda and TDS. People need to stop labeling everything as a nazi or a fascist.

You mean his own staff who labeled him as that?

Did you think that one out?

[Ivanstone]

Polls were just fine in 2022.

Exit polls were fine in 2022. Pre-election polls were showing the GOP had larger support than they had in reality.

[Doomcookie]

electoral college helps small states



The standard for proof of guilt much lower in civil court

It is fundamentally undemocratic, and the reason for the two-party system.

[Trumpwonumad]

Yep, and it has been well covered. The Electoral College is the reason we have two parties. You bemoaned the two-party system, but keep defending the reason it exists.

Trump was found liable in court for sexual abuse. Why do you support sexual abuse? Do you care you explain why you condone sexual abuse?

Nice Strawman, I don't respond to fallacies.

[Bodakane]

How close is close?

Its discussable.

[Doomcookie]

electoral college helps small states



The standard for proof of guilt much lower in civil court

You keep defending a rapist.

Why do you condone rape and sexual abuse?

[Glorious Leader]

An incredibly reductive take that demonstrates a profound ignorance of the topic, either willful or otherwise. For one thing, polls are not predictions, they're snapshots of current feedback. For another, you'd be hard-pressed to find such a thing that said "Hillary Clinton will 100% be the winner." They all acknowledged there was a chance Trump could win, even if it was a small one. But hat they said Clinton was more likely to win doesn't make them "wrong" just because the less likely outcome occurred.

Polls absolutely do have their problems, and it's important to recognize that, but just saying "the polls are wrong" just blows past any and all degree of nuance and analysis to simplify the point so much it becomes meaningless.

My understanding is that their have been a bevy of right leaning polls with poor methodology that have skewed the overall picture.

[Trumpwonumad]

You mean his own staff who labeled him as that?

Did you think that one out?

I think the words nazi and Facist are buzzwords that are over used.

[DarkTZeratul]

Nice Strawman, I don't respond to fallacies.

You mean fallacies like dismissing all opposing arguments as propaganda and Trump Derangement Syndrome?

[Trumpwonumad]

Exit polls were fine in 2022. Pre-election polls were showing the GOP had larger support than they had in reality.

Thats what I thought, The polls were off going in since 2016

[Doomcookie]

Nice Strawman, I don't respond to fallacies.

You keep defending a rapist, and you cannot explain why.

Here's your chance, otherwise, I'll just answer for you.

Maybe you can have Chat GPT try and answer why you are condoning rape and sexual abuse.

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I think the words nazi and Facist are buzzwords that are over used.

Take it up with those Republican staff members who know him best.

Meanwhile, you keep defending rape and sexual abuse.

[DarkTZeratul]

My understanding is that their have been a bevy of right leaning pools with poor methodology that have skewed the overall picture.

You are absolutely correct on that point. Trump himself even seemingly admitted to having paid for some of them, and commented that he wasn't even sure if they'd done any actual polling at all or just made up their results.

[PACOX]

You're wrong. If polls were right they'd all be saying the something, and they are not.

Tell you what, friendly wager, if she wins and its not that close then you publicly admit I was right or if she barely wins or loses I'll publicly admit you were right.

I think you're misunderstanding what I am talking about. For one, I hope she wins. Gun to my head I don't know if I have enough faith in in voters to say whether she wins or not, just get over with.

All that said she is a terrible campaigning, which I also stated it not completely her fault. The polls show it. Opinions about her and the election show it. How many people are hitting the polls to support Harris and how many are showing up to vote against Trump?

[Trumpwonumad]

I think you're misunderstanding what I am talking about. For one, I hope she wins. Gun to my head I don't know if I have enough faith in in voters to say whether she wins or not, just get over with.

All that said she is a terrible campaigning, which I also stated it not completely her fault. The polls show it. Opinions about her and the election show it. How many people are hitting the polls to support Harris and how many are showing up to vote against Trump?

The impression I got from her is Laughing, I grew up in a middle class Family, I am don't have no policy plans, I am gonna stop price gouging. Really was not impressed by what I say and this is just my opinion. The vibe I got is she is just running on the I am not trump...I been hearing the guy is Hitler since 2016 need a little more to move me besides this guy is evil I am not him. Like what are YOU gonna do?