2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[Huehuecoyotl]

We really need some way around here to recognise that the 10 pages of catching up you need to do in a thread is a waste of time, because it's one poster claiming that greasy burgers are "evil" while a convicted rapist is fine, because it isn't a textbook definition of rape in his addled brain.

I feel dumber for just having read this crap.

[alach]

We really need some way around here to recognise that the 10 pages of catching up you need to do in a thread is a waste of time, because it's one poster claiming that greasy burgers are "evil" while a convicted rapist is fine, because it isn't a textbook definition of rape in his addled brain.

I feel dumber for just having read this crap.

The problem is that is exactly what trump and his surrogates are doing daily on all the airwaves, with no pushback no less. If someone were not caught up with reality, watching the news would reinforce the views of the poster above.
Dana Bash should be ashamed. I am sick of them letting these liars on and nonsense their way through interviews.

[Wilian]

Do you know what a nazi is? Your using a buzzword devauling the true meaning of what it is.



The Electoral College is fine.



Another buzzword and talking point. He has never been convicted of rape.

smells like alot of Trump derangement syndrome here

The only derangement here is the one Trumpets and Muskovites uphold in their (your) cult-degenerated brains.

[diller]

From what I can tell, the biggest problem the Democrats have is the economy.

There seems to be a lot of people thinking the economy was better 4 years ago but now everything is more expensive so those people will vote for Trump despite actually not liking him at all.


From what I can tell the Democrats have not tried to explain why the economy got worse and how they will continue to improve it if Harris is elected.

[DingDongKing]

From what I can tell, the biggest problem the Democrats have is the economy.

There seems to be a lot of people thinking the economy was better 4 years ago but now everything is more expensive so those people will vote for Trump despite actually not liking him at all.


From what I can tell the Democrats have not tried to explain why the economy got worse and how they will continue to improve it if Harris is elected.

Comes back to messaging.

[Doomcookie]

I consider them both evil. Crazy every time I’ve gotten it. It was never that greasy. I don’t know. Maybe I just locked out but anytime I eat McDonald’s I get sick so quit eating that crap.

Stop with the bullshit. You spent pages defending rape.

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I mean, this is the guy that said Harris had the greatest campaign in the history of politics…….

You're the guy who defended rape.

[alach]

If there is any legitimate undecided voters or people still confused about the policy differences on Gaza and Isreal, heres a 15 minute video for you.



If you are already committed maybe forward it to someone you know who is still up in the air. Last 48 hours.

[Doomcookie]

Your TDS is showing there buddy

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Outside of all the personal attacks on why people don’t like the former president of the United States. Does anybody actually have any thing they can say and why they don’t like his policies or what policies they don’t like or any kind of argument to a economic policies that would be great to hear.

Yep, it has been covered. You just keep ignoring it, and defending rape.

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Yeah, people really don’t like Ted Cruz. The guy reminds me of the zodiac killer.

Do you know the Zodiac Killer?

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I’m gonna have to disagree on that considering that here on the West Coast where I live at we had lots of issues with antifa and violence. I know the talking points gonna be oh well they’re not considered leftist, furthermore, I don’t recall any right winger trying to assassinate the current person running for president of the United States how many assassination attempt we had on Trump? Political affiliation of those people was definitely to the left so yeah I’m gonna have to honestly respectfully disagree with you on that.

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Sidenote, I looked at your profile. Are you Canadian?

You defended a rapist.

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Yeah, I know the summer of love riots. The attacking of the federal building in Portland. A Trump supporter getting murdered in Portland. Those are all facts. I hate to break it to you.

Yea cuz a republican, tried to assassinate the Republican nominee

You defended that nominee for rape.

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Crooks was a registered republican who also donated in 2021 to a progressive left democrat pac if you look it up.

Now I’m gonna address this one time and one time only I would appreciate that we don’t start this antisemitic bullshit considering I’m actually Jewish. I find that a little offensive respectfully speaking.

The reason I was asking if you were based in Canada because I was trying to have a better understanding of who I’m talking to in the terms of American politics. This is a surprise me saying this, but there is cultural differences between both of our countries.

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That is pretty hyperbolic because I said that I think George is proof that evil doesn’t die that it’s because the fact the man is Jewish.

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The trashcan remark is kind of stupid people actually got killed and hurt and dragged out of their cars and beat on the freeway. You should really look up what happened in the Pacific Northwest on top of that. We had the jackasses from the proud boys come down there and fight antifa. So we have both extremist groups in this area.

Then, stop supporting and defending Nazis.

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I simply stated my opinion on the person you said it’s antisemite, but I’m a semi myself. I find that extremely offensive and now you’re gonna just be blocked. I’m not going to deal with the ass hat of that. Thank you very much.

You provided no evidence.

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Trash cans

https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisem...article-800374

https://www.kptv.com/2023/08/25/cons...outputType=amp

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/J...0311-SD001.pdf

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/08/...outputType=amp

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/year-p...ry?id=77511470

I could go looking for more, but I’m lazy

But, not so lazy that you didn't have time to defend actual rape.

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Please enlighten me on the conspiracy theory that was spread it all I said was that that man is proof that evil doesn’t die. You guys ran with whatever fictional narrative you wanted to twist at that point.

That was already covered. The burden is on you

[Shadowferal]

The "undecided voter"...those that still exist, are going blue.

[Valdhammer]

From what I can tell, the biggest problem the Democrats have is the economy.

There seems to be a lot of people thinking the economy was better 4 years ago but now everything is more expensive so those people will vote for Trump despite actually not liking him at all.


From what I can tell the Democrats have not tried to explain why the economy got worse and how they will continue to improve it if Harris is elected.

The economy did not get worse. Inflation =/= economy. It’s one metric and when unemployment is extremely low, and the cost of capital even lower, inflation is the natural consequence. Add to that the market disruption caused by a global pandemic and consolidation in many industries and it becomes unavoidable.

The inflation was not caused or made worse by any Biden policy or by any legislation sponsored by the democrats.

But as with anything else, it is very difficult for facts to break through amid the sea of made up nonsense and half-truths that is the 24/7 news networks and internet news outlets.

[Doomcookie]

From what I can tell, the biggest problem the Democrats have is the economy.

There seems to be a lot of people thinking the economy was better 4 years ago but now everything is more expensive so those people will vote for Trump despite actually not liking him at all.


From what I can tell the Democrats have not tried to explain why the economy got worse and how they will continue to improve it if Harris is elected.

You are spouting standard GOP talking points. Congratulations, you got conned.

[Belize]

Your TDS is showing there buddy

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Outside of all the personal attacks on why people don’t like the former president of the United States. Does anybody actually have any thing they can say and why they don’t like his policies or what policies they don’t like or any kind of argument to a economic policies that would be great to hear.

Alright Clyde & Seamore.

[En Sabah Nur]

Both sides

People really still do this?

Harris's campaign hasn't been good

Can you elaborate on why you think this? I see the opposite, personally.

Shes in a dead heat with a man who doubled down on rhetoric derived from a literal nazi group about haitian migrants eating dogs and cats. I appreciate their are circumstances to consider but this should be an easy win to be honest.

You'd think so, but when half of voters are literally fans of the "man who doubled down on rhetoric derived from a literal nazi group about haitian migrants eating dogs and cats" and everything else he spews, it tends to change things. They will literally wear garbage bags in support of the man.

The little bit of time they had to organize and deploy their strat is unheard of. The fact that she gained all this ground in such a short time. The sheer amount of people defecting to her side. Trump was on schedule to get a walk away win and now so many red states are literally up fro grabs from Fl to TX to even Iowa.

Its amazing how quickly people move to minimize all of this. I dunno if its because she's a woman, they're the typical poster that just complains about Democrats, or something else. But its sad to see.

And then she fumbled that momentum like the Dallas Cowboys on any given Sunday.

Take a look at her rallies and tell me there is no momentum or excitement.

All that said she is a terrible campaigning

In what sense? Can you elaborate on why you think she's so terrible at campaigning? Especially in what little time she's actually had.

The amount of delusion and lack of cognitive ability is absolutely stunning.

Something I agree with! Glad you recognise it.

Your TDS is showing there buddy

TDS goes both ways, unfortunately. And you seem to have a solid case of it.

[fwc577]

I really don’t see Texas or Florida going blue

Good for you, jack.

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Losing those 2 states might be enough to give the Democrats filibuster proof majorities in both houses.

It won't in the Senate but it would for sure hurt Republicans if we can capture those 2 senate seats for 6 years.

[Jessicka]

Can you elaborate on why you think this? I see the opposite, personally.

It has felt very reactive. I guess that makes sense given the manner in which she ended up standing, but it hasn't had the energy or particular ideas that even Biden had with his green new deal investment plan.

It's certainly not been the likes of Obama, or Tony Blair where there was an energy about it. That said 'not good', does not equate to being 'bad' and in many ways given the opponent, avoiding stepping on rakes is critical.

[DingDongKing]

It has felt very reactive. I guess that makes sense given the manner in which she ended up standing, but it hasn't had the energy or particular ideas that even Biden had with his green new deal investment plan.

It's certainly not been the likes of Obama, or Tony Blair where there was an energy about it. That said 'not good', does not equate to being 'bad' and in many ways given the opponent, avoiding stepping on rakes is critical.

I think as someone who lives in the UK, the entire election cycle this year has been far more uneventful than the one in 2016 or 2020. There’s a resignation that nothing is truly improving?

[fwc577]

Your TDS is showing there buddy

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Outside of all the personal attacks on why people don’t like the former president of the United States. Does anybody actually have any thing they can say and why they don’t like his policies or what policies they don’t like or any kind of argument to a economic policies that would be great to hear.

First off, the fact that you come here and use the term "TDS" tells us all we need to know about you.

To answer your question.

Problems with Trump's economic policy --

1 - For starters, he doesn't truly have an economic policy. He's made nothing but vague claims of things he will do and some of the vague claims he has made will be absolutely devastating to America. And to back this up, he's got his own personal flying monkey in the form of Elon Musk who has also confirmed to expect at least 2 years of hardship as they complete wipe out the economy so that we can be more prosperous in the future.

This coming from a couple of guys who couldn't finish building a wall and struggle to release vehicles that don't need all kinds of recalls and are a joke in the car community.

I don't want these people spending 2 years to dismantle and rebuild the economy.

2 - We don't need more tax cuts for the rich or corporations. They're paying some of the lowest taxes in the world right now and although I don't recall Trump specifically talking about more tax cuts as official campaign policy, he has been caught in closed donor meetings of his desire to continue to lower taxes. At this point, lowering of taxes on the right is going to come with either raising taxes on the middle class or severely cutting things such as Medicare and social security.

3 - "Drill baby drill" The last time this fucking idiot worked with oil companies on production-related things, he helped kick off massive inflation and recession. When oil companies were struggling due to the pandemic, he went and talked to them about limiting production. They did that. Things recovered. The cost of energy spiked because production was reduced. Prices of everything else went up. We still haven't fully recovered from this as many companies took the opportunity to raise their prices because of energy costs and now that energy costs have somewhat normalized, their prices still remain high.

4 - Tariffs won't work. He's stated his goal is to implement tariffs. Hope everyone loves paying more for all their shit.

[Doomcookie]

It has felt very reactive. I guess that makes sense given the manner in which she ended up standing, but it hasn't had the energy or particular ideas that even Biden had with his green new deal investment plan.

It's certainly not been the likes of Obama, or Tony Blair where there was an energy about it. That said 'not good', does not equate to being 'bad' and in many ways given the opponent, avoiding stepping on rakes is critical.

There was no energy to the Biden campaign. Things got considerably more electric when Harris started. Two people tried to kill Trump, and people stopped carring almost immediately.

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I think as someone who lives in the UK, the entire election cycle this year has been far more uneventful than the one in 2016 or 2020. There’s a resignation that nothing is truly improving?

You couldn't be more wrong.

Two people tried to kill one of the candidates, and it's barely a blip in this election cycle.

[Jessicka]

I think as someone who lives in the UK, the entire election cycle this year has been far more uneventful than the one in 2016 or 2020. There’s a resignation that nothing is truly improving?

There's certainly an element of that, I'd be hard pressed to tell you what I think had improved in the last decade and a half so its easy to extrapolate that. There's also a huge element from the centre left to just not fuck things up, and that in turn leaves them open to looking like they lack ideas and ambition, that's probably a bigger concern for Harris given the closeness of the race than it should have been for Starmer.

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There was no energy to the Biden campaign. Things got considerably more electric when Harris started. Two people tried to kill Trump, and people stopped carring almost immediately.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Two people tried to kill one of the candidates, and it's barely a blip in this election cycle.

I meant Biden's first time around. This time around, that ties in with the being very conscious about not fucking up. I mean, you look at what they picked up on to claim he was fucking up.

[Doomcookie]

There's certainly an element of that, I'd be hard pressed to tell you what I think had improved in the last decade and a half so its easy to extrapolate that. There's also a huge element from the centre left to just not fuck things up, and that in turn leaves them open to looking like they lack ideas and ambition, that's probably a bigger concern for Harris given the closeness of the race than it should have been for Starmer.

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I meant Biden's first time around.

There was no energy in that one, either. The entire campaign was about a return to normal governance. He barely did campaign stops.