2024 Election - Trump vs. Harris, important downballot

[alach]

Sorry to interrupt the conversation regarding trump's daily dose of lunacy, but apparently i am not alone in my boycott of CNN.

MSNBC And CNN Ratings Slashed In Half Post-Election

Topline MSNBC’s primetime audience has dipped 53% since the week before the election, according to new Nielsen ratings data, a steep dropoff for the left-of-center network rivaled by a 47% drop by CNN—while Fox News has largely held onto its audience since President-elect Donald Trump’s victory.

Serves them right. You don't get more viewers by bringing in MAGATS like Tim Scott, etc and let them spout their lies unopposed. If they had followed up on an ounce of trumps crazy and reported fairly im sure Kamala would be president now.

[PhaelixWW]

Sorry to interrupt the conversation regarding trump's daily dose of lunacy, but apparently i am not alone in my boycott of CNN.

MSNBC And CNN Ratings Slashed In Half Post-Election

Serves them right. You don't get more viewers by bringing in MAGATS like Tim Scott, etc and let them spout their lies unopposed. If they had followed up on an ounce of trumps crazy and reported fairly im sure Kamala would be president now.

This isn't news. This always happens.

The Sky Isn’t Falling for Cable News TV Ratings (Yet)

Post-election blahs are a cyclical feature of the landscape, regardless of which party wins.

The post-election blahs are endemic across the big three cable news outlets, but the viewership numbers of individual networks can drop farther when the candidate seen as their ideological opposite wins. MSNBC’s current swoon resembles its numbers after Donald Trump won his first term in office in 2016, after which the network fell by 41 percent.

Four years ago, after Joe Biden unseated Trump and some right-leaning viewers (briefly) turned against Fox News for calling a key result in Arizona for Biden, its primetime audience fell by 49 percent in the month following the election compared with October 2020. CNN often bears the worst slide regardless of who wins, having slumped by 50 percent or more in three of the past five post-election periods. If past patterns hold, MSNBC and CNN will likely begin recovering some of their audiences in December and pick up again once the new administration takes office.

By March 2017, two months into Trump’s first term, CNN and MSNBC had regained most of their lost viewers, and MSNBC was running ahead of its pre-election audience. None of the above is to say that either network has rosy times ahead: MSNBC faces an uncertain future as parent company Comcast looks to spin it off along with several other cable properties, and CNN has been in a ratings slump for most of 2024, on top of the systemic issues (cord-cutting, streaming’s consistent rise) all cable networks face.

But at least in terms of the post-election ratings malaise, both have weathered that storm several times before.

[alach]

Sure, but what is different is the vast ammount of alternatives now out there.
Some viewers will return, but I think many others will seek out other sources, sources that aren't as wishy-washy perhaps. Mika and Joe going down to talk to trump in Mar-a-lago a week after the election sure didn't help their permanant image, for example. Youtube, tiktok, Rogan and radio has nearly surpassed traditional media at this point. Those coperate news companies really cant afford to keep losing viewers.

[NED funded]

That's always been the goal of the urban legend though, its borne entirely of racism. I'd like to think, hopefully in the UK we understand that better, and I don't know how prevalent that urban legend is in the US for people to have grown to accustomed to it for what it is.


I am vegetarian, I'd probably still eat meat if it didn't trigger my IBS which got me here, but I wouldn't go back. I do eat fish when options are scarce and I'm forced to eat out, particularly when I'm abroad, so that happens like twice a year at most. But I cook for myself normally and kinda realised most of the flavours come from the seasoning and sauces so the meat frankly doesn't make a great deal of difference to the dish for me and so no longer see the point.

As for eating cats, I literally wouldn't be alive without them so there's that. Nutritionally, carnivorous animals such as cats and dogs are utterly terrible, even other carnivores don't eat them, they leave them for carrion eaters. Would you eat carrion?

You are trying to rationalize the position. There was no urban legen of haitian eating pets. That was made up by conservatives. It was part of a wider campaign to dehumanize them.

Imagine if I said that British eat babies and thats why they should be expelled. Thats what the campaign. You are rationalizing it and failing to see the issue. Both in

A) This not a random person that said that, it was the president of the US and his campaign telling complete lies about an entire group of people

B) The extent of the racism from the message

This is why the people that lended the claim credibility at the start quickly retracted.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/just-expl...eSyHQgPrwebF0h

The only reason became so prevalent was bc the soon to be president said it. Imagine if your pm said that Chinese people eat dogs and that is why they should be deported. Thats what Trump did.

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Sure, but what is different is the vast ammount of alternatives now out there.
Some viewers will return, but I think many others will seek out other sources, sources that aren't as wishy-washy perhaps. Mika and Joe going down to talk to trump in Mar-a-lago a week after the election sure didn't help their permanant image, for example. Youtube, tiktok, Rogan and radio has nearly surpassed traditional media at this point. Those coperate news companies really cant afford to keep losing viewers.

Its a shame tho. For whatever criticism you may have of CNN they are miles better than ppl like Joe Rogan or tiktokers. There are methods to hold them accountable. No such methods exist for Joe Rogan who has a billionaire on his podcast fabricate claims that a consumer protection agency is bad bc it debanks conservatives

[Jessicka]

You are trying to rationalize the position. There was no urban legen of haitian eating pets. That was made up by conservatives. It was part of a wider campaign to dehumanize them.

Imagine if I said that British eat babies and thats why they should be expelled. Thats what the campaign. You are rationalizing it and failing to see the issue. Both in

A) This not a random person that said that, it was the president of the US and his campaign telling complete lies about an entire group of people

B) The extent of the racism from the message

This is why the people that lended the claim credibility at the start quickly retracted.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/just-expl...eSyHQgPrwebF0h

The only reason became so prevalent was bc the soon to be president said it. Imagine if your pm said that Chinese people eat dogs and that is why they should be deported. Thats what Trump did.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...-dog-meat-myth

This article is from 2011.

I was not sure if I should laugh or cry when I heard the news that an urban myth about a woman choking on a dog's identification chip at a high-end Chinese restaurant in Yorkshire had led to an exodus of diners. Bizarre as the story sounds, it didn't surprise me. When I lived in Britain, I met people who refused to go to Chinese restaurants because they believed – they were utterly convinced in fact – that such places sold dog meat (and their neighbours' pets at that!). Racism takes all forms, and in the case of the Chinese, it often takes the form of disgust with the Chinese food.

It's a hugely common myth in the UK, I'm surprised its not taken hold in the US sufficiently for people to recognise what it is. It wasn't made up by conservatives last year, it was made up by racists in the 50s when foreign food started to be seen more.

[Kathandira]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...-dog-meat-myth

This article is from 2011.


It's a hugely common myth in the UK, I'm surprised its not taken hold in the US sufficiently for people to recognise what it is. It wasn't made up by conservatives last year, it was made up by racists in the 50s when foreign food started to be seen more.

In the US it is the same. Racist fools here also say that chinese folks eat dogs.

I think NED funded's point is less about racist joe shmoe perpetuating old racist remarks, but moresoe that the leader of the nation is publicly grandstanding those racist remarks.

[NED funded]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...-dog-meat-myth

This article is from 2011.


It's a hugely common myth in the UK, I'm surprised its not taken hold in the US sufficiently for people to recognise what it is. It wasn't made up by conservatives last year, it was made up by racists in the 50s when foreign food started to be seen more.

I know thats why I used it as an example of unacceptable racism that can be better related to your experience. Imagine if your prime minister said that, and not only that but that is the reason why they should be deported. Not only this betrays the truth but at the same time its insanely racist. In addition that the representative of your country said it. Thatd what happenef with Trump but even worsr bc there are no urban legends about Haitians eating pets, that was a lie made up to be racist to Haitians.

[Jessicka]

I know thats why I used it as an example of unacceptable racism that can be better related to your experience. Imagine if your prime minister said that, and not only that but that is the reason why they should be deported. Not only this betrays the truth but at the same time its insanely racist. In addition that the representative of your country said it. Thatd what happenef with Trump but even worsr bc there are no urban legends about Haitians eating pets, that was a lie made up to be racist to Haitians.

Oh sure, it just wouldn’t stand here, but mostly people realise immediately it’s not true. My feelings are most people should recognise it for what it is, and don’t need telling or dwelling on it, and rather stories about the Hurricane aid were far more actively damaging in the immediacy and people are far less likely to understand the detail.

It’s about the GOP strategy of saturation shitposting, and picking fights better rather than getting bogged down in ones that shouldn’t need the work.

Nobody has the bandwidth to follow or fight them all, that was the whole point of the strategy.

[Kathandira]

Nobody has the bandwidth to follow or fight them all, that was the whole point of the strategy.

More or less, a gish gallop campaign. Typically a debate term, but I guess it can apply here.

[Endus]

You are trying to rationalize the position. There was no urban legen of haitian eating pets. That was made up by conservatives. It was part of a wider campaign to dehumanize them.

The basic structure of "members of <insert outgroup> are horrible! They're eating <insert beloved thing> like monsters!" has been around for at a minimum, well over a thousand years. Christian "blood libel" accusations against Jews is probably the easiest ancient example to come up with, though "witches eat babies" is right up there too. Pretty sure pre-Christian Romans filed similar accusations against the Celts and other enemies, and I'm sure we could find other examples if we dug deep enough.

It's always a campaign to dehumanize the "other".

[Edge-]

Sure, but what is different is the vast ammount of alternatives now out there.

This was the case in 2016 and 2020 as well. Unless one was in a coma or not paying any attention to the news until this election cycle and was shocked to discover so many websites covering news.

[Flarelaine]

The basic structure of "members of <insert outgroup> are horrible! They're eating <insert beloved thing> like monsters!" has been around for at a minimum, well over a thousand years. Christian "blood libel" accusations against Jews is probably the easiest ancient example to come up with, though "witches eat babies" is right up there too. Pretty sure pre-Christian Romans filed similar accusations against the Celts and other enemies, and I'm sure we could find other examples if we dug deep enough.

It's always a campaign to dehumanize the "other".

The difference is that no one should need any amount of convincing that eating/sacrificing babies is wrong.

[Rasulis]

More election anomalies.

Harris lost NC.

New governor - Democrats.

New AG - Democrats.

Democrats broke NC House GOP super majority. Despite heavily gerrymandered map.

Democrats' Allison Rigg won the State Supreme Court seat. It is 4 Democrats to 2 GOP judges now.

[DarkTZeratul]

The difference is that no one should need any amount of convincing that eating/sacrificing babies is wrong.

No one should need any amount of convincing that it's wrong, but people often need very little convincing to believe the lies that "undesirable" people are doing it.

[Edge-]

More election anomalies.

Harris lost NC.

New governor - Democrats.

New AG - Democrats.

Democrats broke NC House GOP super majority. Despite heavily gerrymandered map.

Democrats' Allison Rigg won the State Supreme Court seat. It is 4 Democrats to 2 GOP judges now.

The governorship isn't surprising, at least. That was Mark Robinson's race and the late breaking news of his love of Nazis and porn habits sunk him.

[NED funded]

More election anomalies.

Harris lost NC.

New governor - Democrats.

New AG - Democrats.

Democrats broke NC House GOP super majority. Despite heavily gerrymandered map.

Democrats' Allison Rigg won the State Supreme Court seat. It is 4 Democrats to 2 GOP judges now.

The people that vote Trump only vote for him. Its a cult of personality.

[fwc577]

The difference is that no one should need any amount of convincing that eating/sacrificing babies is wrong.

But have you parmesan breaded and topped with some marinara and mozz? Exquisite..

[Gestopft]

The people that vote Trump only vote for him. Its a cult of personality.

I think this is sort of a silver lining; Trump outran the rest of his party pretty significantly, and there isn't anyone that clearly has 'the juice' that he does when it comes to activating his voters or 'populist' appeal.

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In the US it is the same. Racist fools here also say that chinese folks eat dogs.

Yeah I remember growing up hearing that if you go to a Chinese restaurant you might be served dog or cat.

Although that does remind me of a "WTF?" moment I had a few years ago when I was walking my dog and a young Korean man came up to her, pat her on the head, and said "I apologize for my ancestors." Like whaaaaa?

[PhaelixWW]

Yeah I remember growing up hearing that if you go to a Chinese restaurant you might be served dog or cat.

Although that does remind me of a "WTF?" moment I had a few years ago when I was walking my dog and a young Korean man came up to her, pat her on the head, and said "I apologize for my ancestors." Like whaaaaa?

I thought this was fairly well-known.

South Korea finally banned the eating of dog meat this year.

The number of South Koreans eating dog meat has also declined dramatically as pet ownership became more common. Consumers of dog meat now skew older, while younger, more urban South Koreans tend to veer away, mirroring similar trends in other parts of Asia.

In a 2022 survey by Gallup Korea, 64% of respondents were against eating dog meat – a notable increase from a similar survey in 2015. The number of respondents who had eaten dog meat in the past year had also fallen, from 27% in 2015, to just 8% in 2022.

Between 2005 and 2014, the number of restaurants serving dog in the capital Seoul fell by 40% due to the declining demand, official statistics showed.

[DarkTZeratul]

I thought this was fairly well-known.

South Korea finally banned the eating of dog meat this year.

I had a friend who taught English in Korea for a few years. It seems like it'd be obvious to anyone who gave it any real thought, but he said they drew a very distinct line between dogs for food, and dogs for pets.

Much as we do for some farm animals.