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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    It's literally not free though.
    Oh right. Forgot you *NEED* to buy the

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    Pet, Mount, and TMog.

    Oh right, and the same 15/month you pay to access Retail
    We're all newbs, some are just more newbier than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Who asked for this? I really wanna know. Cata is too modern to feel classic...
    "too modern"
    15 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    February 2025 - When My OG Guild Broke Up

    Thanks Cataclysm!
    Pre-emptively blaming Dragon Soul for everything bad that happens in the game ... I dig it.

    Also, homies: This just means we get MoP even faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    "too modern"
    15 years old.
    remade the continents, its no longer the old world

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    Oh right. Forgot you *NEED* to buy the

    *looks at notes*

    Pet, Mount, and TMog.

    Oh right, and the same 15/month you pay to access Retail
    It's free so long as you're paying!

    Zoomers had a number done on their financial literacy this past decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relapses View Post
    Pre-emptively blaming Dragon Soul for everything bad that happens in the game ... I dig it.

    Also, homies: This just means we get MoP even faster.
    Getting MoP faster isn't a huge consolation when a) WotLK proves they aren't going to give us perpetual Era realms for beloved expansions so we won't get MoP forever as an option, and b) At this rate MoP will go from launch to WoD within 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post

    Oh right, and the same 15/month you pay to access Retail
    So its not free. Literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    remade the continents, its no longer the old world
    You can still play and experience the old world in OG Classic. In fact, you have four versions of OG Classic you can play. Consider yourself lucky, people who held your sentiment in 2010 had to wait almost a decade before they could experience it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Ironic.

    /10chars
    You are right, but the difference is that I didn't come into a topic I had no interest in just to hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    And yeah, I'll echo the "I Wish it was a little slower" specifically for Firelands.

    Its a well loved raid with cool content to go with it. Take a few months off of the Hour of Twilight Content and add it to the Firelands patch cycle.
    I don't think they can take much off of Hour of twilight. Its likely only going to last 4 months. If they have to launch MoP next May, they can just take a month off of phase 1. Imo they should just combine the troll dungeons and firelands into 1 patch and launch it 4 months after release. Then 4 months after that we will get Dragonsoul. 4 months later MoP. Every raid phase lasts 4 months.

    Ideally though I think Phase 1 should last 3.5 months followed by troll dungeons for 1.5 months. Then Firelands for 5 months followed by Dragonsoul for 5 months.

    Thats 15 months with a August MoP release. I think cutting Cata down to 15 months is plenty of time shaved off. They don't need to cut it down to 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    It's literally not free though.
    You are already playing Retail as your previous post suggested, so quite literally yes it is. If you are already playing Retail, classic is essentially free to play. You would be paying for retail either way. If you were only interested in Cata then you would be right.

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    Looks like they wanna go through Cata pretty quickly. Personally can't wait for MoP classic and to main-game that again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegrian View Post
    They'll speedrun cata, it'll be all fomo. Not sure If I want to play it this way.
    I think it should be significantly faster. It was 22 months originally, so 15 or 16 feels like a good middleground. But Blizzard has the data. If they think people arent interested in Cata, but are MoP it may be worth it to them to speedrun Cata. I just hope MoP lasts at leasts 16 months. Ideally imo MoP would last 18 months. Each raid tier would get 6 months.

    For MoP, Id be interested in them changing the structure of tier 14 a bit. Only releasing Mogushan for 2 months, then Heart of Fear for 2, followed by Terrace for 2. It would almost be like 2 or 3 mini tiers and give each raid time to breath.

    Each raids loot could be tuned like 6 ilev above the last. It would potentially make HoF and Terrace worth running during Throne of thunder if their item levels were closer to tier 15.


    June 25- Mogushan
    August- Heart of Fear
    Ocotber- Terrace
    December- Throne of Thuner
    May- Siege of Orgrimmar
    November- WoD classic.

    Thats about how I would want MoP timeline to go.

    Speaking of which. Wouldn't it be interesting for WoD classic if they finished some cut content? Like the faction capitals, Faralon, Shat raid etc. I doubt they would do that, but it would be the only way I would come back for WoD classic. I would actually be pretty hype for WoD if they did do that.

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    As someone who started playing WoW about half-way through Fireland's run and didn't get to raid until Dragon Soul, I say...huh, neat. Kinda hope lfr is there from the start, largely for reasons of being lazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Relapses View Post
    Also, homies: This just means we get MoP even faster.
    Hot take, it also means we get to Legion Classic faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    So its not free. Literally.
    Again, its under the same 15/month you spend to access Retail.

    I still think Blizzard should require Dragonflight (Soon to be War Within) on your account to be able to access Classic.
    We're all newbs, some are just more newbier than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post
    As someone who has leveled to 80 in the beta, it feels waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more Classic than Dragonflight.

    Cata haters, (the ones that are honest with themselves and didn't rage quit because Cata was too hard), should try Cata. It's been 14 years. Most people's memories are shit. Including those that think the talent changes that came in MoP were in Cata.
    People play Cata content in retail today and think thats what Cata classic will be. Its not. Launch Cata was a lot more classic than people remember. Leveling was more streamlined and easier yes, but it is a lot more challenging than retail, and still long enough to be a journey.

    Classic is almost the exact middle ground between modern WoW and classic. Cata-MoP era is Peak if you are a player that enjoys both Classic and Retail imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post



    You are already playing Retail as your previous post suggested, so quite literally yes it is. If you are already playing Retail, classic is essentially free to play. You would be paying for retail either way. If you were only interested in Cata then you would be right.
    First; none of my posts says anything about retail. Second; can you play classic without sub, yes or no? That is the only relevant bit. Especially when the OG quote said literally so.
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    You can't play Dragonflight... or anything past level 20 i think... without a sub

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    "too modern"
    15 years old.
    Yeah. Cata is definitely a lot more modern than retail, but its actually pretty close gameplay wise to SoD imo. Its a nice middleground between modern and classic. Its still more classic than retail imo. Id say the true middleground transition expansion is MoP. MoP is truly not classic or retail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assumi View Post
    It's free so long as you're paying!

    Zoomers had a number done on their financial literacy this past decade.

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    Getting MoP faster isn't a huge consolation when a) WotLK proves they aren't going to give us perpetual Era realms for beloved expansions so we won't get MoP forever as an option, and b) At this rate MoP will go from launch to WoD within 6 months.
    Quite the leap to say that Cata taking a year with a lot less content than MoP will somehow lead to MoP only lasting 6 months. MoP will last longer than Cata for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    So its not free. Literally.
    You are paying for retail. Its free for you. Its not free for people that are only interested in Cata. Its simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSoup View Post
    As someone who started playing WoW about half-way through Fireland's run and didn't get to raid until Dragon Soul, I say...huh, neat. Kinda hope lfr is there from the start, largely for reasons of being lazy.



    Hot take, it also means we get to Legion Classic faster.
    Legion Classic with all of the QoL from its final patch is going to be peak WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    Again, its under the same 15/month you spend to access Retail.

    I still think Blizzard should require Dragonflight (Soon to be War Within) on your account to be able to access Classic.
    So you can't play it without sub, thus not free, literally. Adding more value to payment does not make the payment non existant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    Again, its under the same 15/month you spend to access Retail.

    I still think Blizzard should require Dragonflight (Soon to be War Within) on your account to be able to access Classic.
    ABSOLUTLEY NOT!!!!! not everyone who plays classic plays retail, retail is absolute trash!!!!! forcing people to buy anther version of the game they wont play to play a version they already own is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    First; none of my posts says anything about retail. Second; can you play classic without sub, yes or no? That is the only relevant bit. Especially when the OG quote said literally so.
    I had you confused with another poster who mentioned playing retail so my bad. Yes, if you aren't playing another version its not free for you. Technically I suppose that you get every version of WoW for the same price, so if you would like we can split the sub cost into 4 or 5 depending on if you count hardcore as its own thing. WoW sub is tremendous value these days. Its hard for me to take monetary complaints seriously when you get access to 4 or 5 games for 15 dollars a month.

    End of the day, if you or anyone else as a consumer doesn't feel a product is worth the price, don't buy it. Its simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    So you can't play it without sub, thus not free, literally. Adding more value to payment does not make the payment non existant.
    Its free in the sense that that 2nd and 3rd set of pans is free from an infomercial if you buy the first set for 69.99.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyle89 View Post
    ABSOLUTLEY NOT!!!!! not everyone who plays classic plays retail, retail is absolute trash!!!!! forcing people to buy anther version of the game they wont play to play a version they already own is stupid.
    I do agree that classic players shouldn't have to buy retail. That doesn't make much sense to me either. I do like retail though.

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    Lets actually talk about this launch table if anyone here has played beta they know that beta is still laoded with bugs and needs alot of fixing. things like quests,guild chat dual spec. certain class spells, mass res ( was just taken out this last patch ) disenchanting, archeology profs NOT working. quest hubs not spawning properly after a certain phase, These are only a few things that are major. Also lets not talk about druids being able to use Flight form in the last area of VC if you take 5 druids they can skipp all the trash and pull the last 3 bosses on the boat. But blizz thinks that the game is releaseable in the next month or so. ok

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