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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Yeah. Cata is definitely a lot more modern than retail, but its actually pretty close gameplay wise to SoD imo. Its a nice middleground between modern and classic. Its still more classic than retail imo. Id say the true middleground transition expansion is MoP. MoP is truly not classic or retail..
    Wow has def had 3 eras.
    Vanilla to wrath.
    Cata to Wod
    legion and then on.

    Cata made leveling less of a journey, more of something to get through quickly. and from then on talent trees got simpler and simpler. The game also got harder as a whole with the early cata days, to try and match the growing overall quality of the players.
    Back in the day the game was extremly easy, look at classic now how the raids get completed in no time. But how? Well, back in 2004, players were far less skilled, at the top, and on average. Many were new to the genre, and it was the "Babies MMO" no exp loss on death, no item drops on death, it was seen as the easymode MMO, to MMO players. It was EASY.

    Legion to now has been focusing on moving away from that "Raid or die is over" as up until wod, it really was raid or die. The best gear was in raiding (or pvp, depending on which you are in, and still even as a PVPer, you had to do high end PVP to get some key items like trinkets, rings, special powerful items, LEGENDARIES)

    Mythic+, Mega Dungeons, all focused on making dungeons an actual endgame again. Back in vanilla they were for a while, but it was just not sustainable.
    Mythic+ has let them give you a reason to redo dungeons like you do a raid. while also giving content between new dungeons.
    Back in the day, the game added new dungeons in patches. Now adays they add mega dungeons. Noticed that? That started more so in BFA, but yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Wow has def had 3 eras.
    Vanilla to wrath.
    Cata to Wod
    legion and then on.

    Cata made leveling less of a journey, more of something to get through quickly. and from then on talent trees got simpler and simpler. The game also got harder as a whole with the early cata days, to try and match the growing overall quality of the players.
    Back in the day the game was extremly easy, look at classic now how the raids get completed in no time. But how? Well, back in 2004, players were far less skilled, at the top, and on average. Many were new to the genre, and it was the "Babies MMO" no exp loss on death, no item drops on death, it was seen as the easymode MMO, to MMO players. It was EASY.

    Legion to now has been focusing on moving away from that "Raid or die is over" as up until wod, it really was raid or die. The best gear was in raiding (or pvp, depending on which you are in, and still even as a PVPer, you had to do high end PVP to get some key items like trinkets, rings, special powerful items, LEGENDARIES)

    Mythic+, Mega Dungeons, all focused on making dungeons an actual endgame again. Back in vanilla they were for a while, but it was just not sustainable.
    Mythic+ has let them give you a reason to redo dungeons like you do a raid. while also giving content between new dungeons.
    Back in the day, the game added new dungeons in patches. Now adays they add mega dungeons. Noticed that? That started more so in BFA, but yeah.
    I would argue DF is the start of a new Era. Or a bridge to TWW being a new Era. They drastically changed their design philosophy around the end of SL.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I would argue DF is the start of a new Era. Or a bridge to TWW being a new Era. They drastically changed their design philosophy around the end of SL.
    We'll see if they keep pulling Evokers and adding new things or go stagnant and hibernate for another few years on newer mechanics.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I would argue DF is the start of a new Era. Or a bridge to TWW being a new Era. They drastically changed their design philosophy around the end of SL.
    We will have to see with TWW, we dont have alpha yet so we don't even really know what we have.
    Dragonflight does show the possibility of a new era, so
    Vanilla-Wrath
    Cata-WoD
    Legion-Shadowlands (Which is funny, because it shows how this style of gameplay starts out feeling so amazing, but quickly falls into awfullness.)
    Dragonflight on. But we will have to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinChan View Post
    We'll see if they keep pulling Evokers and adding new things or go stagnant and hibernate for another few years on newer mechanics.
    Yeah, even if you don't like evokers (I don't) the fact they added THIS new class, is actually insane, it is actually really interesting, and is fun if you like the gameplay. I know a few people really into it, especially so when they just said "FUCK IT, MID EXPANSION NEW SPEC, SUPPORT, HERE YA GO"
    And yeah its been mad fucked balance wise.
    But its a fucking support spec, we all knew that would happen, and its been getting "better" highs and lows, it's got its way to go though.
    The fact they had the balls, and actually kinda pulled off releasing a new spec mid expansion, and a new type in the "Holy Trinity" into wow legit. Shows they have it in them to do some good stuff again.
    (There was demo pact 3.3 demo lock but that was just a single thing.)

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    why are we talking about trash retail in classic?

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Speaking of which. Wouldn't it be interesting for WoD classic if they finished some cut content? Like the faction capitals, Faralon, Shat raid etc. I doubt they would do that, but it would be the only way I would come back for WoD classic. I would actually be pretty hype for WoD if they did do that.
    Yeah it would but it's not going to happen, it would require actual work and classic is done by very few people and almost no artists.

  7. #47
    Cata didn't have enough content so it makes sense to speed run it. Sucks a bit for people who want to grab Tarecgosa I guess since raids won't be able to complete more than a couple at most in such a short timeframe? I wonder how fast WoD will be over. I mean . . . it probably had enough content for 4-5 months? Though we are approaching the point in time when raids are becoming hard enough that maybe some progress will be needed.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Lumy View Post
    <img src="https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2012/july/wowmini.png" style="margin-bottom:-1px; margin-right:0px; vertical-align:bottom" /> Cataclysm Classic Pre-Patch Arrives April 30

    Cataclysm Classic 2024 Roadmap
    Blizzard has revealed the 2024 Roadmap for Cataclysm Classic!

    UNfortunately, this took way too long to release. It should have been out in Febuary IMO, Everyone is burned out of ICC and no one really cares about RS. I will play CATA for the first 2 tiers at lease loved T11 still one of my favorite raid tiers to date. But I am more interested in MOP than any other xpac.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Cata didn't have enough content so it makes sense to speed run it. Sucks a bit for people who want to grab Tarecgosa I guess since raids won't be able to complete more than a couple at most in such a short timeframe? I wonder how fast WoD will be over. I mean . . . it probably had enough content for 4-5 months? Though we are approaching the point in time when raids are becoming hard enough that maybe some progress will be needed.
    Lol blizz will buff this just like they did for Smourne and valynr lol dont worry getting a legandry will be like getting candy on Halloween

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwank05 View Post
    UNfortunately, this took way too long to release. It should have been out in Febuary IMO, Everyone is burned out of ICC and no one really cares about RS. I will play CATA for the first 2 tiers at lease loved T11 still one of my favorite raid tiers to date. But I am more interested in MOP than any other xpac.
    blizz should just honestly SKIP MOP mop was HORRIBLE!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyle89 View Post
    why are we talking about trash retail in classic?
    I think we got sidetracked somehow. Maybe I did it? I dont remember, but we should probably get back onto classic yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Cata didn't have enough content so it makes sense to speed run it. Sucks a bit for people who want to grab Tarecgosa I guess since raids won't be able to complete more than a couple at most in such a short timeframe? I wonder how fast WoD will be over. I mean . . . it probably had enough content for 4-5 months? Though we are approaching the point in time when raids are becoming hard enough that maybe some progress will be needed.
    They are likely going to increase drop rates or something to compensate. I suspect that raids will get 50-100% more drops and leggo stuff will have its drop rate and numbers doubled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwank05 View Post
    UNfortunately, this took way too long to release. It should have been out in Febuary IMO, Everyone is burned out of ICC and no one really cares about RS. I will play CATA for the first 2 tiers at lease loved T11 still one of my favorite raid tiers to date. But I am more interested in MOP than any other xpac.
    I think DS and the time dungeons will be fun for 3 or 4 resets but yeah not sticking around for all of it even at 3 or 4 months.

    I think all of tier 11 and Firelands are spectacular raids, and all of the dungeons in Cata are very good. Heroic+ Cata could be really fun.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Yeah, even if you don't like evokers (I don't) the fact they added THIS new class, is actually insane, it is actually really interesting, and is fun if you like the gameplay. I know a few people really into it, especially so when they just said "FUCK IT, MID EXPANSION NEW SPEC, SUPPORT, HERE YA GO"
    And yeah its been mad fucked balance wise.
    But its a fucking support spec, we all knew that would happen, and its been getting "better" highs and lows, it's got its way to go though.
    The fact they had the balls, and actually kinda pulled off releasing a new spec mid expansion, and a new type in the "Holy Trinity" into wow legit. Shows they have it in them to do some good stuff again.
    (There was demo pact 3.3 demo lock but that was just a single thing.)
    I'd love to see the multi-stage or just more channel-while-moving effects added to the game. Let there be more mechanically interesting things, spice stuff up and make it varied. With it, they may finally be able to get Demon Hunter and Monk DPS mobility-oriented builds to be more enjoyable and less clunky. We'll see though! There are a lot of things left to explore.

    Combo system
    Rapidly tapping a key (Within reason, RSI and all that or have it be an optional skill / style)
    Combo oriented systems (IE: One thing leads to another)
    Rhythm based (IE: Press and hold, aim for the sweet spot on a cast bar when you release)
    Multi-key presses (NIN from XIV / Invoker from DotA)
    Literal skill-shots like Plunderstorm
    Limit Breaks (Party / Raid wide contribution skills)

    etc. etc.

    I'm HOPING they open up everything and start embracing the game's power fantasy more. It all doesn't have to be viable for Mythic, but it should be doable for Heroic / Mid M+ keys. I'd even settle for Flex / M0 if it meant way more fun and engaging playstyles (that aren't forced on existing players). But like you said, Evoker isn't for everyone either.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Wow has def had 3 eras.
    Vanilla to wrath.
    Cata to Wod
    legion and then on.

    Cata made leveling less of a journey, more of something to get through quickly. and from then on talent trees got simpler and simpler. The game also got harder as a whole with the early cata days, to try and match the growing overall quality of the players.
    Back in the day the game was extremly easy, look at classic now how the raids get completed in no time. But how? Well, back in 2004, players were far less skilled, at the top, and on average. Many were new to the genre, and it was the "Babies MMO" no exp loss on death, no item drops on death, it was seen as the easymode MMO, to MMO players. It was EASY.

    Legion to now has been focusing on moving away from that "Raid or die is over" as up until wod, it really was raid or die. The best gear was in raiding (or pvp, depending on which you are in, and still even as a PVPer, you had to do high end PVP to get some key items like trinkets, rings, special powerful items, LEGENDARIES)

    Mythic+, Mega Dungeons, all focused on making dungeons an actual endgame again. Back in vanilla they were for a while, but it was just not sustainable.
    Mythic+ has let them give you a reason to redo dungeons like you do a raid. while also giving content between new dungeons.
    Back in the day, the game added new dungeons in patches. Now adays they add mega dungeons. Noticed that? That started more so in BFA, but yeah.
    I'd say that DF or TWW could be the start of a new era as they ditched borrowed power and AP, and started focusing on casual content with lots of cosmetic rewards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyle89 View Post
    ABSOLUTLEY NOT!!!!! not everyone who plays classic plays retail, retail is absolute trash!!!!! forcing people to buy anther version of the game they wont play to play a version they already own is stupid.
    That's just my take on it.

    having an active WoW Sub in good standing is good enough for Blizzard. I think they should require DF because "Bobby needs a new yacht" as the kids say these days. But again, that's just me.
    We're all newbs, some are just more newbier than others.

    Just a burned out hardcore raider turned casual.
    I'm tired. So very tired. Can I just lay my head on your lap and fall asleep?
    #TeamFuckEverything

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    personally, why should i have to buy an expansion to play an expansion I've already bought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyle89 View Post
    personally, why should i have to buy an expansion to play an expansion I've already bought.
    ??? You don't have to buy it.
    Purchasing it is just for cosmetics.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Dragonflight does show the possibility of a new era, so
    Vanilla-Wrath
    Cata-WoD
    Legion-Shadowlands (Which is funny, because it shows how this style of gameplay starts out feeling so amazing, but quickly falls into awfullness.)
    Dragonflight on. But we will have to see.

    Vanilla - 3.1
    3.2 - WoD
    WoD - 9.1
    9.2 - current times

    That's how I would divide it (not that it really matters)

    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    ??? You don't have to buy it.
    Purchasing it is just for cosmetics.
    He was answering to the ridiculous proposal of the other dude of having to own DF to play classic

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyle89 View Post
    why are we talking about trash retail in classic?
    My dude, you posted 8 messages in an hour and they are all variation of the same complain, perhaps take a deep breath and go out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zardas View Post
    He was answering to the ridiculous proposal of the other dude of having to own DF to play classic
    Oh NOES People want to make MONEY! HOW DARE THEY!
    We're all newbs, some are just more newbier than others.

    Just a burned out hardcore raider turned casual.
    I'm tired. So very tired. Can I just lay my head on your lap and fall asleep?
    #TeamFuckEverything

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    Oh NOES People want to make MONEY! HOW DARE THEY!
    Forcing people to purchase a completely unrelated product just for the hell of it probably isn't the sound business decision you seem to think it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Who asked for this? I really wanna know. Cata is too modern to feel classic...
    I’m there with you, friend. I’d much rather see the WoW dev team all aboard solely for Season of Discovery and Retail much like the constant example being provided these days…Old School RuneScape and RuneScape 3. While I understand providing a different flavor for everyone at what point does it become a little much?

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    Whilst I'm kinda interested in Cataclysm looks like they're sprinting to MOP asap. From what I've seen the rest of Classic was 2 Years and this looks to be a Year? Zoom

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