1. #1

    Premades Epic Battleground

    Why are premades still a thing in epic bg's, I play PVP every day on EU and i come across this Zado premades or russian premades and it is really spoiling the game, half the team leave when we enter a pvp with premades and I'm slowly losing the will to carry on, I will either join a US server or quit pvp altogether

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    Better question is: why aren't you queuing for epic BGs in a premade community? It's so much more fun when you recgonize people and everyone is actually coordinating, vs queuing by yourself and getting thrown with randoms and no one cares about each other and there is zero coordination. It gets especially fun when you get matched against another premade and gets long, intense wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Better question is: why aren't you queuing for epic BGs in a premade community? It's so much more fun when you recgonize people and everyone is actually coordinating, vs queuing by yourself and getting thrown with randoms and no one cares about each other and there is zero coordination. It gets especially fun when you get matched against another premade and gets long, intense wars.
    Sure queuing with a premade is fun, but it’s hilariously unfun when put against it. Epic premades should be allowed, but imo they should really only be placed against other teams with a large percentage of premade players.

    Speaking as someone that has grinded 100 wins in every bg on one character over the last few years, any time I have queued solo and I’ve been placed against a premade it’s been a very one sided loss. Normally it’s actually faster to just leave and wait out the deserter buff than it is to play it out.

    I’m not without blame, I’ve been randomly placed into premades before and I’ve went with the flow and took the free win - but I ultimately don’t really care for PvP where the win is guaranteed and there’s no struggle. If premades were guaranteed to fight other premades I’d actually be more interested in it, but most of the time it seems to just be a one sided stomp.

    Again, I’d support a proper premade system where it’s exclusively premades vs premades, but the reality is that right now most people participate in them for the free wins and it’s quite unfair to anyone that’s just using the system as intended, which is to queue with no more than 5 people.
    Last edited by DechCJC; 2024-04-17 at 08:27 AM.

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    I love the new Blitzes; specifically because of this problem.

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    Half my epic bgs are against premades.

    I suggested in chat to mass report the known leader of the premade for cheating -> heacking, as it's indeed a form of cheating because you're not supposed to be able to form a full premade group in epic bg, and hopefully get them temporarily suspended by Blizzard's auto-suspension system if enough reports are received, but I got insulted by the very same people who were suffering because of premades.

    People are fucking morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ti Amo Gaming View Post
    I love the new Blitzes; specifically because of this problem.
    Blitz is the only way to have a fun bg.

    No fucking premades and no fucking consumables and engineering gimmicks.
    Last edited by Cynical Asshole; 2024-04-21 at 07:33 AM.

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    They'd solve half this problem by timing game start times better.

    Those communities simply reply on mass queuing and communicating when it pops.

    Those games usually take 5+mins to pop. Just make it a standard 5 or 10 or 15 min timer. Every available game pops the same time and all premades have lost a good chunk of their queing power.

    Doesnt do much in the downtimes when theres only 1 game going on at a time. but in the peak times, this would break them.

  7. #7
    Epic bg premades are SO boring, sure you might face another premade but 99% of the time you'll sit there and collect honor lvls for no fun reason at all since it's so free.

    Epic bgs in general are boring now you'll see a bunch of fire mages and boomkins doing capped aoe damage, it's the time of capped potential nowadays, can't even solo an entire team anymore needs like 5 boomkins to do enough aoe pressure, it's hilarously bad and great for premades since individual skiill is way less important than social synergy nowadays.

    PS.

    Literally every big fight is a pressure war vs the enemy healer, and even when their healers are bad it's a pressure war vs personal defensive cds and overpowered healing vs reduced dot damage.

    Have to like do a whole dance routine to damage one player nowadays, takes up like 5 times more time to do the same impact as 5 years ago.
    My DOT does 5 times less damage.

    It's SO BORING to play this game now cuz of how hyper balanced the game is to fit people with low reaciton timing and bad positonal intelligence.


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    The dawn of premade dominance(generally) is when the game started courting terribads subscriptions, and what does terribads not enjoy? being outplayed.

    Example: You're riding your horse on Classic, and you're a priest. You get ambushed by a rogue, you could FEAR potentially give yourself some advantage, you could be struggling to get out of that mud of oppression, but what do you do? you cry that life is unfair, and to be frank you're most liikely part of the 90% of players that keep autorunning for 2-3 seconds(until you die every time), probably not even at the computer, never pressiing FEAR since you're just so bad and need Blizzard to tune out all the harmful REACTIVE SKILLFUL elements out of the game for you.

    Maybe you've reached that stage where you press FEAR and you have no idea how to spend that FEAR duration to gain enough advantage to win vs the previous/incoming damage. Most players aren't that good, but that's not something you'd ever notice on retail XD

    So here we are now where the game is stupid, you'll see all these epic bg communities and random bg premades dominate because simply they have average+average+ and since communal skill HEAVILY outweighs indiviidual skill, any SUPER ELITE gamer could DO NOTHING vs 5 premade rats infesting this big lego designed game, thanks capitaliism.



    ON ANY CLASS:

    Example, 1v1 it's not harder to win now than ever before, it's a narrow line no matter what and withiin that concentrated field of 1 vs 1 it's clearly balanced to adjust to skillful play.

    Example, 1v2 it's MUCH harder to win now, because that narrow balance is in itself oppressive, but to have a cleared argument V

    Example, 1v3 is IMPOSSIBLE now, I remember back the good old pre-trading post/wc3reforged days when those 3 bads just tried to not attack me, even together(they're friends) they didn't want to fail to 1v3 me.

    Nowadays those same players, same skilllevels(or lesser) can't possibly lose. Maybe I can dump all my CD juiice on one of em and take one down with me but it's all just so capped XD can't people see that it's capped??

    capped = more premade dominance, I would GLADLY go back in time and solo queue a BG and mop up that B-tier premade all by myself, but why would I self-harm nowadays since it's already calculated that I don't have that power in today's pvp balancing(on any class, except potentiailly healer)


    But anyways, I've noticed when solo queueing(the entire DF expansion) how I naturally calculate win odds based on healer power on both teams before the gates open. Also I've noticed that to wiin in this game now it's about creating premades because you need that to escape the lottery.

    Concerniing that lottery, In the past I watched my enemieis and never watched my allies. Nowadays I naturally determine how powerful my allies are in PVP combat because I need them to win, which wasn't as true iin the past. So the lottery aspect of haviing a good/bad team is WAY MORE APPARENT.

    So ofcourse the reality is that iif you want to escape the lottery you need to play in a premade since individual impact has less potential now <

    WoW BGs is a mobocracy. I've hated bgs in SL and DF and never before that. Wonder why. Is it because I'm a passionate individual with a huge ego for excellence? Ofcourse it is.

    But ofcourse I'm a conspiracy theoriist and I'll reminisce on times where I aoe farm players and I'll make assumptions that those players diidn't enjoy being completely oppressed and toyed with to the extent that I was toying with them.

    I'd assume that's really bad for business, it's better if you can feel good as a player on any skiill level iin PVP combat feeliing that you have some "inherent" power in your character.

    I mean just look at horse armor entertainment nowadays, they'll literally go out of their way to design a game ground up with the intention of MTX, all hail the era of 3-day deluxe editiion headstarts!

    But you know real competitive games that I enjoy like Chess and Poker exist in a closer to permanent state of balance(which is good for PVP), but bad for commercialization/planned obsolesence > reselling with unfavorable designs to assist with rolliing out the same product over and over agaiin, no matter the cost to the original artwork.


    You know what I really love about WoW?
    When I earlier started playing Classic ERA and I rolled a priiest and EVERY rogue tried to kill me, but I'm a precognative monster wth amazing reflexes and I was literally frothing from my mouth waiting for rogues to ambush me.

    The best part was when I activated my super intense bloodhound instincts and started chasing the rogues resurrects anticipating fears out of stealth to camp those same rogues, I wanted to find them so badly.

    But please tell me that 90% of priests aren't those autorunning 2-3 seconds dead to ambush/crippling proc players.
    Also a fun reward when you kiill rogues on classic, they will eventually never attack you again.

    And obviously ANY good rogue would just wiin, but I'd try to win every tiime, and potentially never be able to beat them, but the thing is 95% of players ARENT that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squigglyo View Post
    They'd solve half this problem by timing game start times better.

    Those communities simply reply on mass queuing and communicating when it pops.

    Those games usually take 5+mins to pop. Just make it a standard 5 or 10 or 15 min timer. Every available game pops the same time and all premades have lost a good chunk of their queing power.

    Doesnt do much in the downtimes when theres only 1 game going on at a time. but in the peak times, this would break them.
    They could solve this problem by giving players that leave queue pops deserter debuff.
    That way it would be impossible for epic bg communitiies to synchronize.
    Last edited by nvaelz; 2024-04-30 at 02:55 AM.
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  8. #8
    Adapt and Overcome, get yourself in a pre-made too!

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by DechCJC View Post
    Sure queuing with a premade is fun, but it’s hilariously unfun when put against it. Epic premades should be allowed, but imo they should really only be placed against other teams with a large percentage of premade players.

    Speaking as someone that has grinded 100 wins in every bg on one character over the last few years, any time I have queued solo and I’ve been placed against a premade it’s been a very one sided loss. Normally it’s actually faster to just leave and wait out the deserter buff than it is to play it out.

    I’m not without blame, I’ve been randomly placed into premades before and I’ve went with the flow and took the free win - but I ultimately don’t really care for PvP where the win is guaranteed and there’s no struggle. If premades were guaranteed to fight other premades I’d actually be more interested in it, but most of the time it seems to just be a one sided stomp.

    Again, I’d support a proper premade system where it’s exclusively premades vs premades, but the reality is that right now most people participate in them for the free wins and it’s quite unfair to anyone that’s just using the system as intended, which is to queue with no more than 5 people.
    A premade vs premade system is called rbg. From my experience, premades dont want to face other premades, they just want to farm honour level + hks.

    But then again, who cares. Its random bgs. You can play proper rbgs or battleground blitz for a more balanced approach to the format if you care.

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