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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    And most classes have one or more ways to prevent death by falling. Warriors can Heroic Leap. Mages can Slow Fall/Blink/Ice Block. Hunters can Disengage.
    And those classes are balanced around those abilities, hence my point.

    It's not a class ability. It is, has always been and will always be a racial ability.
    Every Dracthyr racial is an Evoker class ability as long as Dracthyr are tied to only that class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    And those classes are balanced around those abilities, hence my point.



    Every Dracthyr racial is an Evoker class ability as long as Dracthyr are tied to only that class.
    So where do Pandaren, who get the Rogue ability to ignore most fall damage for free, fit in? Where are the swarms of rerolls from people switching to da bears to negate the "knock people 30 yards into the air so they take 30% fall damage" mechanics that pop up 2 or 3 times each expansion?

    Figured it's worth checking since Warriors and Hunters and such don't normally get to avoid half of their fall damage, because it's a perk that's completely balanced around Rogues, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    And those classes are balanced around those abilities, hence my point.
    Nope. They are not balanced at all around "preventing death by falling". Because the fact those abilities can prevent fall death is incidental and not the intended use of those abilities.

    Every Dracthyr racial is an Evoker class ability as long as Dracthyr are tied to only that class.
    Still wrong. Dracthyr racial abilities are racial abilities, and evoker class abilities are class abilities. There is a clear separation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Nope. They are not balanced at all around "preventing death by falling". Because the fact those abilities can prevent fall death is incidental and not the intended use of those abilities.
    So the ability Disengage isn't a consideration when balancing the Hunter class? Heroic Leap isn't considered when balancing the Warrior class? The ability Blink isn't considered when balancing Mages?

    Hilarious.

    Still wrong. Dracthyr racial abilities are racial abilities, and evoker class abilities are class abilities. There is a clear separation.
    Which is why some of those Dracthyr racial abilities have talents attached to them just like class abilities in the CLASS talent tree right? Where's the separation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    So the ability Disengage isn't a consideration when balancing the Hunter class? Heroic Leap isn't considered when balancing the Warrior class? The ability Blink isn't considered when balancing Mages?

    Hilarious.
    Hilarious are your failed attempts at strawmanning. I never said that abilities such as Disengage, Heroic Leap and Blink aren't considered for balancing their respective classes. I simply pointed out that those abilities' uses to negate fall damage are not influential in class balance.

    Those abilities do WAY more than just "negate fall damage": heroic leap is a gap closer and deals damage. Disengage creates a gap between the hunter and their target. So does Blink. "Negating fall damage" are not the reason those abilities exist.

    Which is why some of those Dracthyr racial abilities have talents attached to them just like class abilities in the CLASS talent tree right? Where's the separation?
    Their ability tags. Their position in the character's spellbook:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwgmon View Post
    Nah, Demon Hunters and Dracthyr are totally OP because they can do the Lava Swim -> Big Fall after Volcoross without stopping in the middle for a few seconds or popping a self-heal. /s
    Goblins can get Rocket Jump to avoid the lava. Nerf Goblins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh since Dracthyr are restricted to a single class (for now) it is essentially a class ability as well, and yes Evokers were also balanced around that ability just like Demon Hunters were.

    Also the idea that Evokers and DHs don't use glide in combat is laughable.
    Well considering few people play Dracthyr as it is, having Glide be an incentive would be a good thing. The whole purpose of opening up class combos is to increase their population choices after all, otherwise Blizzard could just keep em exclusive and throw all incentives like Glide and Wing Buffet onto the class rather than as a racial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh, I didn't change what I said. I said that DHs were balanced around glide because glide is a DH class ability. Thus the statement "Blizzard takes all class abilities into account when balancing classes" is applicable to DHs and Glide.
    I mean, "Blizzard takes all class abilities into account when balancing classes" is both something nobody actually knows unless Blizzard class designers come out and talk about it, and also seemingly incorrect on the surface. There are a wide variety of abilities which have little to zero impact on combat, and thus wouldn't be included in any serious discussion about class balance. Hunter: [Eyes of the Beast], Priest: [Mind Vision], Mage: Portals/Teleports/[Illusion], just to name a few examples.

    DH's don't have [Glide] because they'd be underpowered without it. They have it because it's thematic to the fact that DH's have wings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynical Asshole View Post
    Like....what happened, they forgot how to use their wings?.
    What, Tauren forgot how to charge?? Night Elves forgot how to walk while stealthed??? Nah.

    Evokers are better at hovering in combat than dracthyr of other races. It's not crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    Goblins can get Rocket Jump to avoid the lava. Nerf Goblins.
    funny enough, wasnt that actualy the case with Kiljaden? that goblins had enormous advantage thanks to the jump?

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    Looking forward to rolling a Visage Mage, because they actually look like wizards.

    I'll never leave Visage form. Not even to fly. Looking forward to it!

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