Adjusted for inflation, WoW sub is 39% cheaper than when it launched.

[WowIsDead64]

But you're literally that guy.
Insisting on playing wow despite being way beyond the groups it caters for.

At least I know, what I do. Blizzard just laugh, when some players say "I should pay 10x for killing this bore 10x more". Because it also can be 100x, 100x, 100500x, etc. That's, what is called Korean MMO.

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marathon is actually not that long, after first 100m its just repeating the same... imagine if you only run 100m, how fast could you finish marathon, hell you would get world record!
...meanwhile everyone with brain would realize you did not finish marathon, just slowly ran 100m dash, and that its something completely different than marathon...

At the end every single game in this world is replayable. Even Tetris and 5-in-a-row. You just need motivation to replay them. But does it mean, they should charge $210/year?

[Ghostile]

At least I know, what I do. Blizzard just laugh, when some players say "I should pay 10x for killing this bore 10x more". Because it also can be 100x, 100x, 100500x, etc. That's, what is called Korean MMO.

No, the rest are here because they are capable of doing more than that "kill 10, 100, 1000" quests you're stuck in.
You are here insisting on playing wow because its wow, while seething on the forums.
You're literally that guy in your example.
Actually worse, because unsurprisingly you're completely unaware of this.

[potis]

At the end every single game in this world is replayable. Even Tetris and 5-in-a-row. You just need motivation to replay them. But does it mean, they should charge $210/year?

500$ if it keeps people like you and your type away, for sure.

Said this before and i will die on that hill, i would even pay 20$ for the sub, as long as it keeps existing to keep the insane amount of illiterate low skilled shithole countries that infest F2P games away from WoW.

And the other guy is right, you die to world quest mobs, you have no reason to be playing WoW, yet here you are.

[WowIsDead64]

No, the rest are here because they are capable of doing more than that "kill 10, 100, 1000" quests you're stuck in.
You are here insisting on playing wow because its wow, while seething on the forums.
You're literally that guy in your example.
Actually worse, because unsurprisingly you're completely unaware of this.

No, because I don't pay 3x just for apple logo. I know, that I pay too much for game, that doesn't deliver content for it's price. We talk about players, who don't even understand, what they pay for.

[Ghostile]

We talk about players, who don't even understand, what they pay for.

That is literally you.
Your whole presence on this forum relies on not understanding what you pay for.

[WowIsDead64]

That is literally you.
Your whole presence on this forum relies on not understanding what you pay for.

And what MMO would be, if we wouldn't take gameplay into account? Paid chat? Paid social network? What should I pay for? Please, explain.

[Starfals]

It still costs $205 per year to play with $180 in subscription fees per year and a $50 box expansion every two years, and they now want to pump out expansions even faster than two years so the cost per year is going up.

Exactly, WoW is not cheap at all. Thats why i only buy it at the start or the end of the expansion. No game should cost more than 60 bucks, but fine.. 70 (the new standart i guess) For 200, i can get a lot of brand new amazing games. Blizzard are barely competitive in my country. Almost nobody is buying WoW here, its pretty sad. I cant blame them tho. 3-5 brand new game vs same old WoW... 3-5 brand new AAA games too, if you go for steam sales.. ho boy. 200 bucks could get you like 500 games ;p

[Ghostile]

And what MMO would be, if we wouldn't take gameplay into account? Paid chat? Paid social network? What should I pay for? Please, explain.

Imagine what a conversation would be if you didn't wear your pants on your head and change the subject every 3 posts.
But I do suppose you don't do that talking to people thing outside these forums so I understand.

[Lolites]

And what MMO would be, if we wouldn't take gameplay into account?

wtf is this argument even, what ANY game would be without gameplay?!

[WowIsDead64]

wtf is this argument even, what ANY game would be without gameplay?!

Because, you know, paying for social interaction sounds like paying to fortuneteller to find out your future. May be you're satisfied, but you've paid for air.

[Stonecloak]

"Hi all transmog and mounts you got are gone, buy our new game" is probably the dumbest move anyone could pull

I get that some people get some kind of satisfaction hording a bunch of items, but it's over bloated, that's simply just a fact. Also, I think the better approach is to keep retail as it currently stands in some capacity, perhaps when classic catches up, just find a way to cycle through the expansions with the transmog, mounts, ect. so people could keep their items, but then start Wow 2 with a clean slate as a separate entity entirely.

[Ghostile]

I get that some people get some kind of satisfaction hording a bunch of items, but it's over bloated, that's simply just a fact. Also, I think the better approach is to keep retail as it currently stands in some capacity, perhaps when classic catches up, just find a way to cycle through the expansions with the transmog, mounts, ect. so people could keep their items, but then start Wow 2 with a clean slate as a separate entity entirely.

Overbloated by what, exactly?

[Stonecloak]

Overbloated by what, exactly?

Items, mounts, transmog, pets, zones, ect.

[Ghostile]

Items, mounts, transmog, pets, zones, ect.

I'm not sure how a game can be overbloated by optional stuff to do when you're not busy.
Everyone else calls that content.

"Hi, we removed all that optional stuff for vanity things you could do, buy our new game btw"
Is equally stupid thing to do.

[doledippers]

I get that some people get some kind of satisfaction hording a bunch of items, but it's over bloated, that's simply just a fact. Also, I think the better approach is to keep retail as it currently stands in some capacity, perhaps when classic catches up, just find a way to cycle through the expansions with the transmog, mounts, ect. so people could keep their items, but then start Wow 2 with a clean slate as a separate entity entirely.

this is just a bad take, sorry. imagine taking 20+ years of everyones achievements, collections, characters, guilds, gold, communities, etc and just forcing people to start fresh if they ever want new content again because you think there are too many cosmetics in the game. thats just ridiculous, sorry

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I'm not sure how a game can be overbloated by optional stuff to do when you're not busy.
Everyone else calls that content.

"Hi, we removed all that optional stuff for vanity things you could do, buy our new game btw"
Is equally stupid thing to do.

yeah, its an mmo, the entire point is to have shit to do. they do a pretty good job of sectioning off old content as legacy for-fun stuff such that any player power or advantage you could have is limited to current content. you can pretty effectively ignore anything other than the current patch if you so choose

[Stonecloak]

this is just a bad take, sorry. imagine taking 20+ years of everyones achievements, collections, characters, guilds, gold, communities, etc and just forcing people to start fresh if they ever want new content again because you think there are too many cosmetics in the game. thats just ridiculous, sorry

I completely disagree. Imagine thinking a game will last forever, and their digital items are forever protected and relevant LOL. All at the cost of moving to a much more streamlined engine, updated graphics, a clean slate, a better built MMO in so many ways. "But, but muh achievements and items" Let me break it to you...honestly, it means nothing, nobody cares about achievements in wow besides the guy doing them thinking it has some sort of value, and Blizz laughing they spent 6 months paying a sub to get it.

[Unholyground]

Surprising that Activision never made Blizz raise the price?

They did everywhere outside of the USA. It is 22 a month Canadian and will go up over time as it has done.

This is why I play on private servers to get my fix now and again.

[Ereb]

I completely disagree. Imagine thinking a game will last forever, and their digital items are forever protected and relevant LOL. All at the cost of moving to a much more streamlined engine, updated graphics, a clean slate, a better built MMO in so many ways. "But, but muh achievements and items" Let me break it to you...honestly, it means nothing, nobody cares about achievements in wow besides the guy doing them thinking it has some sort of value, and Blizz laughing they spent 6 months paying a sub to get it.

This argument wouldn't make sense in 2007, never mind when you are talking about a game that has reigned supreme for 20 years lol. And I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people care about achievements, mounts, pets, toys, etc. They enjoy collecting them and are happy to have them. MoP remix is proof enough of this. People play a game to have fun, and millions find wow very fun.

Try to understand that not all people think the exact same as you?

[doledippers]

I completely disagree. Imagine thinking a game will last forever, and their digital items are forever protected and relevant LOL. All at the cost of moving to a much more streamlined engine, updated graphics, a clean slate, a better built MMO in so many ways. "But, but muh achievements and items" Let me break it to you...honestly, it means nothing, nobody cares about achievements in wow besides the guy doing them thinking it has some sort of value, and Blizz laughing they spent 6 months paying a sub to get it.

there it is lmao. "just update the engine!" , this right here just exemplifies how little you understand about anything you're speaking on. Remaking wow in a new engine would be several years worth of 100% all hands on deck work from the entire team. Do you want to sacrifice several years of new content? and for what? the game to lose its iconic stylized graphics? crazy. I'm sure it helps as someone who doesn't play the game to be able to think something like that is fine, but for all of us who actually are playing the game, i'd prefer content over this nebulous idea of "wow 2" with a new engine.

WoW 2 is a pipe dream parroted by people who dont play the game anymore and want to relive their former years vicariously through a video game, and will advocate for this despite how negatively it would affect the people who actually play the game currently. its just not even worth discussing

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a better built MMO in so many ways.

give me a couple of examples of what a "better built mmo" is, and why it would require a brand new engine and the abandonment of the live game.

[Ereb]

WoW 2 is a pipe dream parroted by people who dont play the game anymore and want to relive their former years vicariously through a video game, and will advocate for this despite how negatively it would affect the people who actually play the game currently. its just not even worth discussing

People who talk about "wow 2" are just detached from reality on so many levels.

And the funny thing is, if blizz DID do a "wow 2" (which will never happen), no matter what form it took, those same people that advocated for it would just complain about it and not play it still lmao.