Warbands limit your character selection

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

Are you familiar with the 'scroll down' feature?
Does your mouse have a wheel in the middle?

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I came into this thread pretty skeptical that I'd agree with this being a problem. I didn't realize they merged all our server characters into one group. I have characters on different servers with the same names and, while it's super obvious to me which ones I've played recently, given that only the ones on my active server are max level, that isn't a confusion I want.

I actually like all my characters from all the servers being in one list. Saves time over switching realms to find them. I don't mind that I have to scroll down to find some. I can always move the ones I'm playing a lot to the top. And I LOVE being able to see my favorites sitting around the campfire together.

You know there's a search bar, right? So if you're looking for a particular character, it's easy to find them.

[Fistfighter]

Are you familiar with the 'scroll down' feature?
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I actually like all my characters from all the servers being in one list. Saves time over switching realms to find them. I don't mind that I have to scroll down to find some. I can always move the ones I'm playing a lot to the top. And I LOVE being able to see my favorites sitting around the campfire together.

You know there's a search bar, right? So if you're looking for a particular character, it's easy to find them.

Maybe you could use a mousewheel and scroll through the thread where I already answered these questions.

Yes, I could scroll or type-search, but it is objectively a lot easier and more coherent if they just reduced the size of the character names so it once again fits as many as 13 on the screen at once.

This doesn't mean I don't like the sitting around campfire thing, or don't appreciate a search function.

If anything I like that you can opt out out of the whole Warband screen entirely.

[WowIsDead64]

"Blizzard failed to read my mind, therefore they are incompetent."

Do you get upset when you're at a restaurant and a waiter fails to bring you an order based entirely on your facial expression when you were seated?

It's not about players liking to arrange things. Blizzard have all data. They know, how many players have >10 characters and therefore would experience difficulties with their new UI. And there are two variants. Both are bad. They either intentionally ignored this problem (we're lazy, we save resources and develop for majority only, no extra 5 lines of code blah blah blah) or they're simply incompetent (I'm student and don't know, that >10 element list should have filtering). Which one is worse?

[Relapses]

It's not about players liking to arrange things. Blizzard have all data. They know, how many players have >10 characters and therefore would experience difficulties with their new UI. And there are two variants. Both are bad. They either intentionally ignored this problem (we're lazy, we save resources and develop for majority only, no extra 5 lines of code blah blah blah) or they're simply incompetent (I'm student and don't know, that >10 element list should have filtering). Which one is worse?

Here's the boring reality: Neither. This is an imaginary non-problem that's currently being signal boosted by people with nothing better to do than bitch about a QoL feature that will almost assuredly be added at some point in the future.

Move on.

[Fistfighter]

Here's the boring reality: Neither.

No, it's the first one actually.
Why do you think Warbands shipped with only one background?

[WowIsDead64]

Here's the boring reality: Neither. This is an imaginary non-problem that's currently being signal boosted by people with nothing better to do than bitch about a QoL feature that will almost assuredly be added at some point in the future.

Move on.

Feature, that is made for altoholics, isn't initially designed for them? Nonsense. Some usability features are self-obvious. Like allowing account list arrangement in software, that allows >1 accounts. Cuz otherwise users would need to delete things to rearrange them, lol.

[Relapses]

No, it's the first one actually.
Why do you think Warbands shipped with only one background?

Because they have more important things to worry about than whether a couple eternally buttmad WoW players are going to equivocate their incompetence with the lack of backgrounds for their Warband to fuck off inside?

[Thirtyrock]

Are you familiar with the 'scroll down' feature?
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I actually like all my characters from all the servers being in one list. Saves time over switching realms to find them. I don't mind that I have to scroll down to find some. I can always move the ones I'm playing a lot to the top. And I LOVE being able to see my favorites sitting around the campfire together.

You know there's a search bar, right? So if you're looking for a particular character, it's easy to find them.

I'm glad you like the new interface. I do too. It's going to work really well for me, personally. Other people are expressing that they are frustrated with some of the limitations of the new feature.

The search functionality isn't great, but that may be due to bugs and/or not yet implemented changes. You can't search by realm, for example, which is one issue raised consistently in this thread.

The lack of empathy some of y'all are coming into this topic with is silly, though. Like, people are asking for pretty reasonable UI improvements. You might not think they're necessary, but can you at least try to think why someone might want them?

Players are used to being able to switch between realms, is offering us filter views that include realms a ridiculous request? Is offering filters we can save and reuse as needed ridiculous?

[Relapses]

Feature, that is made for altoholics, isn't initially designed for them? Nonsense. Some usability features are self-obvious. Like allowing account list arrangement in software, that allows >1 account. Cuz otherwise users would need to delete things to rearrange them., lol.

That's the beauty of a game that is live developed. The things that suck on launch may not suck as much later. Demanding everything to be perfect on the first try is inviting disappointment. There are more important things to care about.

Like, literally anything.

[Thirtyrock]

Because they have more important things to worry about than whether a couple eternally buttmad WoW players are going to equivocate their incompetence with the lack of backgrounds for their Warband to fuck off inside?

You know, you try to empathize with people and they just react with unrelenting butthurt. Like, it does suck that they didn't include some of these QOL stuff and I can see how it would be frustrating for players with large rosters...but to turn this into "Blizzard is lazy and hates their customers"

While I don't like how some on the other side react, like some in this thread, I see why they get fed up with people who seem to want to be upset.

[Fistfighter]

The things that suck on launch may not suck as much later. Demanding everything to be perfect on the first try is inviting disappointment. There are more important things to care about.

Like, literally anything.

The things that suck will not stop sucking on it's own, that's why people complain.

Yes, but this is a WoW forum, there isn't much more important on this forum to talk about, other than the game itself.

[WowIsDead64]

That's the beauty of a game that is live developed. The things that suck on launch may not suck as much later. Demanding everything to be perfect on the first try is inviting disappointment. There are more important things to care about.

Like, literally anything.

It's called "developing from wrong side". We are in pre-patch now. We don't see TWW content. New character selection screen - is first thing we see. Is it ok to say "It's unfinished - we'll finish it later"?

[Relapses]

The things that suck will not stop sucking on it's own, that's why people complain.

Yes, but this is a WoW forum, there isn't much more important on this forum to talk about, other than the game itself.

Blizzard has shown that they're pretty receptive to feedback for the last few years. Much more than pretty much any time I've experienced, and I'm old as shit. I'm fine with feedback. I'm fine with people complaining. I'm less fine with people who want to construe every single misgiving from Blizzard developers as evidence of some greater conspiracy of them being actively antagonistic towards the players. It's frustrating to read the same fucking "lol ur free beta testers" message 250 fucking times every patch cycle.

[Stickiler]

It's called "developing from wrong side". We are in pre-patch now. We don't see TWW content. New character selection screen - is first thing we see. Is it ok to say "It's unfinished - we'll finish it later"?

It IS finished, to the standard they designated as their finish point for features. Could they expand it later and add additional functionality? Certainly! But just because it doesn't have specifically the few features you want, doesn't make it "unfinished"

[Fistfighter]

Blizzard has shown that they're pretty receptive to feedback for the last few years. Much more than pretty much any time I've experienced, andf I'm old as shit. I'm fine with feedback. I'm fine with people complaining. I'm less fine with people who want to construe every single misgiving from Blizzard developers as evidence of some greater conspiracy of the developers being actively antagonistic towards the players. It's frustrating to read the same fucking "lol ur free beta testers" message 250 fucking times every patch cycle.

I am sorry but that's your own personal problem for not outright ignoring wowisdead64.

[Relapses]

It's called "developing from wrong side". We are in pre-patch now. We don't see TWW content. New character selection screen - is first thing we see. Is it ok to say "It's unfinished - we'll finish it later"?

It's not unfinished. That's a completely disingenuous read.

It works just fine and 99.9% of players going to look at it, say "huh that's neat," choose their toon then proceed to never think about it again.

[Ielenia]

Yes I am aware, I already said so in this thread - it's still a bad design.

Technical limitations are 'bad design' now?

You still have to select a realm, unless you create all your characters on the same one. And if selecting a realm is only relevant during creating a new character, it should be hidden behind the Create New Character option.

Which is what most people will be doing, eight/nine times out of ten, like I said in my original post.

[Relapses]

I am sorry but that's your own personal problem for not outright ignoring wowisdead64.

Lord knows if it was just him it'd be a lot easier. The problem is endemic and I won't apologize for calling it out when I see it. If that bothers you, though, you're free to take your own advice.

[Thirtyrock]

Feature, that is made for altoholics, isn't initially designed for them? Nonsense. Some usability features are self-obvious. Like allowing account list arrangement in software, that allows >1 accounts. Cuz otherwise users would need to delete things to rearrange them, lol.

Allowing people to view multiple accounts from one logon screen is not what I would call a self-obvious feature.

[WowIsDead64]

It's not unfinished. That's a completely disingenuous read.

It works just fine and 99.9% of players going to look at it, say "huh that's neat," choose their toon then proceed to never think about it again.

Yeah, yeah. It's so finished, that instead of clicking 2 times, I would have to open spreadsheet and copy-paste character name to search box every time I would want to log in. So neat, yeah.

P.S. Again everything boils down to egoistic "Game is ok for me and I don't care about anybody else". GAME IS RUINED FOR SOME PLAYERS NOW. Feature, that was intended to make character selection screen a little bit more immersive has destroyed it's core functionality. If Blizzard won't fix it within week - then it's better to revert this change. Cuz I don't want to be stuck with this c**p for months.