How do you like TWW so far?

[Doffen]

Haven't had this fun since Legion. Players that has been gone since Shadowlands are back and we are back together doing dungeons and m+ when that starts. Raid was fun, my characters are fun to play, Delves are perfect for me, story is interesting, zones and music are great!

Only gripe is that we cant do half of the TWW dungeons other than normal for several months. Silly idea as I really like the dungeons in TWW.

[Gestosad]

Well since you asked; i'll be happy to share, but i'm afraid it's quite negative.

So far this is competing for the worst expansion of all time, from my perspective.

There are so many game breaking bugs my group of friends have started keeping a bingo card each day we log in, between that; the wild tuning changes that normally occur between expansions - and the even-more-insane-than-usual timegateing of content has made the experience up to this point feel like playing an early access product. I've never before been questioning "Sooo... What to do?" on a Friday on Week 2 and 3 of a new Expansion. Delves are capped, Mythics are capped... That's kinda it

Heroic Talents feel bizzare in their implementation. Many feel like an afterthought in terms of design; but the entire system feels like an afterthought of the development team, correct me if im wrong, but i can't recall an expansion-defining power/ability change being implemented before with quite literally 0 in-game explanation as to why; not even a side note, as far as the story is concerned; we are not part of it - we are barely observers in most cases. Though i will admit that my experience with the story might be skewed by the bug that caused half the cinematics to never play, i might simply have missed out on some key ones

I assume it's likely a result of all the turbulence Blizzard has been dealing with for the past few years, and i am hopeful the next Expansion will actually release in a functioning state, but at the moment it is an incredible slog just making it till Wednesday for M+ to give us something to do

[Puupi]

They are not aimed at the people who get their kicks from the level of M+ that is about to release, nor from Mythic raids. They are for people who prefer solo content, and content where having to take a 10 min break midway through the instance is perfectly okay. The people who prefer Mythic+ have their content, they won't need Delves. But the people who prefer Delves did not have a content path till now. And now they have something.

My only gripe with it is that if anything it might have been too easy to get to the max Delve level for gear. Cause we are already doing 8s for gear in the first week of the season, and it would have been nice to have slightly more of a tail to the content where it might take a couple of weeks to gear to get to the max. But that would have required the gearing path for ALL game modes to be slightly different, cause you can't just make Delves harder to get gear in, you would have to have more room for gear levels in all the content.

It might also be a function of having been able to save up keys for all these weeks until the season released, and being able to run a host of Bountiful Delves for gear. Maybe that's better in Season 2 when there's no chance like that, cause the current keys all say Season 1, which means we won't have Season 2 keys until Season 2 actually starts which leads to only having a handful of keys in the first week, instead of like 15+.

Either way. I think this will be like LFR, it's not for everyone, and the people it is for will make use of it and mostly enjoy it, and the people for whom it is not will disparage it and look down on it as failed content.

Yeah I didn't mean that delves are an awful concept by itself - just that the execution of them is awful. Blizzard destroyed delves for the current season by tuning issues and reward structure design.

First of all, delves lvl 5 or higher shouldn't have been active at all until S1 truly starts. Secondly, Brann XP should have been capped at lvl 15 or so for now - and especially cap the xp account wide so you can't pool the xp for Brann by doing bountiful delves on 10 alts. Lvl 38 Brann currently is way overkill and nuked the whole delve progression structure.

Maybe Blizzard will get delves right for S2: cap follower XP, tune the difficulty and rewards accordingly.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

I am liking it more every day. I *love* my new hero talents and new rotations. I love the story, the zones, and the music. The dungeons are fun and thematic, and the raid is fun too. It's early days, but so far this is most fun I've had since Legion.

[Mahcake]

I don't know guys.

We cleared the raid day one on normal and we are currently at 6/8 on heroic. But the raid in general is awful and just so easy. Vault was MUCH better and more fun in DF S1.

I think Delves are kinda okay. Although I hate the inconsistency. Some delves are easy, some are hard af. You can just spam Fungal Folly T8+ and have all the slots in GV easy. I even did Immortal Spelunker there with my monk solo.

[Ereb]

What a balance failure: BM at very bottom DPS M+ list. Sadage.

lol every spec is more than viable this tier list meta has rotted so many brains I swear

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Lots of bugs and tuning is shit. Delves are awful, pointless content currently.

This is literally the only week where they are NOT pointless and are at their most valuable. Dropping 603 and 610 loot is not "doa" my guy not by a long shot LOL

[Just Passing through]

Btw, whose fucking idea was the EZ-Mine deposit? He can rot in hell with his family

Perspective is always nice to have ^^

Yeah..it did kill me once and I was like what the actual f... - but honestly, once you know that (same with Irridated flowers that ofc are always on hih nodes and can knock you across the zone) it is a matter of positioning.

What annoys me more is mining a node and then it pahses out on the last hit.

Only other concern so far is alt gearing - I don't see me doing delves or raids or dungeons on 10 chars. But I guess they will just have to do with veteran gear from the first two caches ^^ (I know, I know.."Why do you need great gear on alts"... and all that. It is more that I liked how it was handled in DF where..say..during the weekly you would get some gear for the Superbloom, for the Warden rep, for the planting of seeds and then for the weekly)

[Ereb]

Only other concern so far is alt gearing - I don't see me doing delves or raids or dungeons on 10 chars. But I guess they will just have to do with veteran gear from the first two caches ^^ (I know, I know.."Why do you need great gear on alts"... and all that. It is more that I liked how it was handled in DF where..say..during the weekly you would get some gear for the Superbloom, for the Warden rep, for the planting of seeds and then for the weekly)

I feel like gearing alts is easier than ever. I have 3 toons at 605+ waiting for next week

[Just Passing through]

lol every spec is more than viable this tier list meta has rotted so many brains I swear

I love that fictional warrior post, where every specc had exactly the same dps, but since warriors are the last in the alphabet, they complain to be last on dps and want their class changed to "Battler" or sth...

[Ereb]

I love that fictional warrior post, where every specc had exactly the same dps, but since warriors are the last in the alphabet, they complain to be last on dps and want their class changed to "Battler" or sth...

yeah I saw that I almost tracked down that post so I could share it here too since it's so relevant hahaha

[Just Passing through]

I feel like gearing alts is easier than ever. I have 3 toons at 605+ waiting for next week

Oh..what did you do? I must say that I "feel" left behind because every youtuber is like "Oh, just do yout T8 delves and you are ilv 600 easily" - but in my reality, I have 1 lv 80, 1 lv 77, several at lv 71 and my main is just ilv 575, can do Tier 5 delves and that is that.

But I am not in an active guild that constantly does stuff and I don't play THAT much. Also didn't help that 5 of my epic drops were all bloody trinkets ^^

[Ereb]

Oh..what did you do? I must say that I "feel" left behind because every youtuber is like "Oh, just do yout T8 delves and you are ilv 600 easily" - but in my reality, I have 1 lv 80, 1 lv 77, several at lv 71 and my main is just ilv 575, can do Tier 5 delves and that is that.

But I am not in an actibe guild that constantly does stuff and I don't play THAT much. Also didn't help that 5 of my epic drops were all bloody trinkets ^^

what I did was get the 3 "free" pieces of 584 (chest/shoulders/helm) using the crystals and rep vendors. I usually didn't have enough to buy the whole set so I would go out to hallowfall and spam everything there with that "light" section and weekly/daily quests. The satchels you get from each quest (I usually had 8-10 per session?) has a chance to give you 571 gear. Some wq give 571 gear too if you are lucky.

You can also win an epic BG and get a quest where you will be able to craft 3 pieces of 610 gear. Once you are 585-590+ you can start spamming bountiful 8 delves to get 603 and 610 pieces. I also did a normal raid clear on all 3, which gave me a few pieces. Also don't be afraid to upgrade your pieces with the crests, only the heroic and mythic crests matter in the grand scheme of things.

Plus you can craft 2 pieces of gear with sparks now. 45 hero crests = 619 piece and you should be able to get those crests relatively easy next week in m+.
Also yeah M+ comes out tuesday that will be SO MUCH EASIER to get geared on alts just spam 2-3s until you feel comfortable to raise the key level, rinse and repeat until KSM XD

Also my guild is very active and we like to help people if you are on US we can throw you an invite gonna reclear normal raid on tuesday.

[lagiacrux]

thats not how you compare them,its an expansion,the zones and dungeons dont count,also we been getting less dungeons in the last expansions than before,an apt comparison is whats NEW,and its just delves,thats a ...MINUS content by comparison with most patches,let alone expansion content

if you subtract all the things a new expansion brings, then there is no new content ... very sound logic indeed. no wonder your hyperbole comparison makes sense to you.
anyway enjoy your "content patch", no reason to keep this argument going.

[Just Passing through]

what I did was get the 3 "free" pieces of 584 (chest/shoulders/helm) using the crystals and rep vendors. I usually didn't have enough to buy the whole set so I would go out to hallowfall and spam everything there with that "light" section and weekly/daily quests. The satchels you get from each quest (I usually had 8-10 per session?) has a chance to give you 571 gear. Some wq give 571 gear too if you are lucky.

You can also win an epic BG and get a quest where you will be able to craft 3 pieces of 610 gear. Once you are 585-590+ you can start spamming bountiful 8 delves to get 603 and 610 pieces. I also did a normal raid clear on all 3, which gave me a few pieces. Also don't be afraid to upgrade your pieces with the crests, only the heroic and mythic crests matter in the grand scheme of things.

Plus you can craft 2 pieces of gear with sparks now. 45 hero crests = 619 piece and you should be able to get those crests relatively easy next week in m+.
Also yeah M+ comes out tuesday that will be SO MUCH EASIER to get geared on alts just spam 2-3s until you feel comfortable to raise the key level, rinse and repeat until KSM XD

Also my guild is very active and we like to help people if you are on US we can throw you an invite gonna reclear normal raid on tuesday.

Thanks a lot. Yeah, I kinda figured it would be something like that. To be honest, since I won't get into raiding, I am actually sort of fine with my progress. Could have spend 300k on a "4 T8 delve" carry, but progressing on my own is more rewarding for my playstyle.

And thanks for the kind offer, but I am EU

[Pheraz]

Currently I can't see anything that hasn't improved after DF, especially the big win for me is that I don't perma roll eyes over the story anymore
Even though sky riding comes from DF
Even the dungeons are fun again (I'm not doing mythic)

[Raisei]

The expansion is really really good. So much content even without engaging in PvP.

We finally have a good enemy again with Xal'atath, who is both familiar and mysterious and the story is great with some really good moments and even some character work.
I would have appreciated a different new race then the Earthen, but it's ok. I also would still like to see the removal of further race/class restrictions.

But otherwise it is all good.

yeah I saw that I almost tracked down that post so I could share it here too since it's so relevant hahaha

It's from Dark Legacy Comics, but don't ask me which number: https://www.darklegacycomics.com/

[Zardas]

thats not how you compare them,its an expansion,the zones and dungeons dont count

Bro what ? That's like the meat of content.

[Hawkknight97]

It's really good and the Architecture of the Buildings within the Zones looked amazing than ever specially with the music and soundtrack.

[Frozenbeef]

Really enjoying it, think this it the longest after release that i'm still in the honeymoon period

Delves are a great addition, was worried they'd be pointless when you get some gear and manage to easily do them, but I'm at 608 ilevel and still find level 8 difficult.

Not a fan of the dwarf theme, but that's personal taste as i hate dwarfs... so really looking forward to midnight

[Hellfury]

Delves the main feature area already stale with me and this week Iam doing them and feel like a chore especially because they are so easy now the challenge is gone