Any super casuals playing the expansion?

[Fantazma]

There's a huge thread on EA over in General Discussion. It is every bit as dumb as you think it is. Blizzard figured out how to sell the expansion twice to players and the players fucking love it.

Taking advantage of your comment... will SoulSaga last 6 years? Or will Midnight happen next year?
I ask this because:
1 - I really have this doubt.
2 - If I were the CEO, I would really release the entire SoulSaga in 3 years because I'm sure the entire player base would buy it without any problems, and after SoulSaga I would make expansions to last only one year and sell Major Patches with lots of cool new features as if they were a new expansion.

[Relapses]

Taking advantage of your comment... will SoulSaga last 6 years? Or will Midnight happen next year?
I ask this because:
1 - I really have this doubt.
2 - If I were the CEO, I would really release the entire SoulSaga in 3 years because I'm sure the entire player base would buy it without any problems, and after SoulSaga I would make expansions to last only one year and sell Major Patches with lots of cool new features as if they were a new expansion.

Blizzard has never been able to uphold a yearly expansion cadence despite having committed to it in the past. I don't see that happening. I could see a timeline where the average expansion length goes from closer to two years (24 months) to closer to a year and a half (18 months) but it still remains to be seen if Blizzard can actually deliver on this. If they do, it'll all-but-eliminate the need for a Season 4 like DF had so I'm curious to see how it plays out. Realistically, I see WSS playing out in ~5 years, so we'd be playing the final patch of 13.x in late 2028/early 2029.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I don't think people should be piling into this thread claiming to be some variation of "casual" while invalidating other people's claims of also being casual.

@Zorachus, your arbitrary rules for what dictates being casual is a bad joke. You don't get to apply what *you* think is determined to be casual as there are way too many variables in that pot.

You can have somebody who decided to take a major step away from WoW and not play it nearly enough as they used to. Maybe that means once a day, every day, for a couple of hours versus all day, every day, for hours on end. That's casual for them. And they are still able to content that you or any self-proclaimed "super casual" refuses to do because it's deemed "too hard" or "takes too much time."

Playing casually has no set parameters. Stop trying to set them.

[Shadowferal]

Regardless of the hours I would put in during any weekend, I was almost always solo. Maybe a couple hours during a weekday, and yes, I did have the occasional day when I came close to being late for work, but...
I turned down invites for groups, and guilds, I just wanted to do my own thing on my terms. It never mattered to me that I wasn't getting the best gear. I wanted to read the stories in every zone..
I don't see myself as "super casual," but..."casual."

[Glorious Leader]

Why?.

Do you give a shit enough to min max your dps? guess what you arent casual.

Do you give a shit enough to parse raid logs?

Hardcore

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Three words that never belong in the same sentence;

Casual mythic raider

LOL there's nothing "casual" about current retail mythic raids. Those are incredibly difficult and hard to run. You need to know every boss, all the mechanics, know your class and it's rotation perfectly, and which spells to click on exactly at the right time. Plus work in unison with your group not missing a beat.

I don't know any "casual" player that can run current mythic raids. I've been playing WoW since launch as have some RL friends and guild friends, and none of us could handle any mythic raids while they were current tier, we go in there and it's insta death and wipes.

Plus what casual keys are you running in M+? To me a casual M+ key us like M+ 5 or 7, something easy and CASUAL once you get to M+10 and above it gets pretty hard, and anything in the M+15 range is insanely difficult and super tough to run without wiping tons of times.

A casual player is someone that plays a bit here and there every few days, doing world quests, would bosses, timewalking dungeons, maybe some LFR and possibly M0 being the tough runs. And a real casual is typically geared in Normal Raid iLvl equivalent gear.

Its a joke. They want to take the casual label so they can maintain that the game supports casual players and the developers are good to keep the status quo since it benefits casual players so much but really just keeps them fat and giggly in raid content despite how unpopular it is with actual casuals.

[Ereb]

Do you give a shit enough to min max your dps? guess what you arent casual.

Do you give a shit enough to parse raid logs?

Hardcore

It's wild how every post I see of yours is just you being flat out wrong lol

[Relapses]

It's wild how every post I see of yours is just you being flat out wrong lol

He won't stop until retail deletes all raid and instanced content and the only way to get geared is to do all 793 daily WQs where you collect 20 bear asses at a time and pray to the TFing Gods your loot rolls high. This version of WoW will instantly have 8 billion subscribers.

ETA: To prove you are casual enough to play this superior version of WoW, you must submit video evidence of you unbinding all of your abilities from your keyboard, clicking all of your spells from the default UI using an iMac single button mouse, and performing, at maximum, 3 APM.

[Zorachus]

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/wor...ticle-comments

[exochaft]

You can have somebody who decided to take a major step away from WoW and not play it nearly enough as they used to. Maybe that means once a day, every day, for a couple of hours versus all day, every day, for hours on end. That's casual for them. And they are still able to content that you or any self-proclaimed "super casual" refuses to do because it's deemed "too hard" or "takes too much time."

Playing casually has no set parameters. Stop trying to set them.

Well, defining terms is paramount to building an argument or statement. They don't have to be rigid factors, either. I've always defined casual not by skill, but time commitment to the game being on the lower side based upon interactions with the game as a whole and main activities in the game. How low? Well, that's probably going to depend on who you're asking, so it may be easier to identify who is not a casual or rely on scenarios where everyone would likely agree when it comes to time commitment to the game and its activities (and some time commitment can be inferred based upon the activities).

For example, I think we can all agree that someone that falls between a RWF guild and regularly mythic raids for weeks/month in a season are probably not a casual. Furthermore, we call agree that someone who just WQ's or minimally engages in end game activities is probably a casual. Anything in between gets more and more nebulous, and we could make some niche examples that fall outside the standard activities (like someone who plays the AH for hours every day but never touches the end game content... I wouldn't consider them casual). Only way to get more definitive is to narrow down the parameters a bit, perhaps saying that playing at least 5 days a week or 15 hours total a week while engaging in at least one standard end-game activity above the baseline difficulty would preclude that player from being considered casual. Suddenly it gets a lot easier to differentiate players by using the term casual. BTW, I just picked that narrowed down criterion at random, but I'd probably agree that someone falling into that category wouldn't be a casual.

If we're going to define 'super casual' ... well adding 'super' to the front is kind of superfluous in a way and doesn't really tell us anything, but maybe it's any player that at maximum does baseline difficulty end game content, with a tendency to not complete it to its logical conclusion (i.e. never full clear the raid, don't get 'BiS' or even near it, etc.). I'd also throw in potentially playing less than 3 times a week or under 9 hours a week, with the caveat that they do not maintain this average for the life of the season.

Anyways, you can tell I was bored as I needed to kill some time before the laundry finished drying! I've just found that defining casual has always been a topic of discussion for well over a decade when it comes to WoW, and I find it funny that no one's really solved it or attempted to define it more rationally.

[Biomega]

Do you give a shit enough to min max your dps? guess what you arent casual.

Do you give a shit enough to parse raid logs?

Hardcore

So that's a "Yes" then on the question of whether all you're saying is "I'm the only one who gets to decide who's casual and who isn't".

Got it.

That's a take, I suppose. At least you're honest.

[Glorious Leader]

So that's a "Yes" then on the question of whether all you're saying is "I'm the only one who gets to decide who's casual and who isn't".

Got it.

That's a take, I suppose. At least you're honest.

Rather you applying the word casual to yourself is roughly akin to facist groups abusing the word socialism out of popularity. They aint and you arent.

[Biomega]

Rather you applying the word casual to yourself is roughly akin to facist groups abusing the word socialism out of popularity. They aint and you arent.

Then does that mean that you screeching "you ain't a casual!" at people is like right-wing conservatives telling trans people they aren't men/women?

I'm happy you have the kind of certainty in life that lets you decide the identity of other people. It's important to have convictions. It's just... other people may not share those convictions. So while you're entirely free to sit on your island rampaging about who's a "real" casual and who isn't, do understand that everyone else is just going to pass by and give you a pitying smile.

In the absence of an objective definition, self-identification is really all that's left. Do you have an objective definition? Obviously not. Or you'd have given it to people. Your little attempts in earlier posts were instantly defused by counterexamples. So you go right ahead and call people hardcore or whatever, they'll simply continue on their existence as self-identifying casuals and being happy with that label.

[Nzx]

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/wor...ticle-comments

Everyone fucking hated Ghostcrawler when he was in charge. It's hilarious how he's had this resurgence as some kind of visionary since he bailed.

[Tech614]

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/wor...ticle-comments

Ah yes ghostcrawler back to blow more smoke up people's asses when he hasn't developed anything but vaporware since leaving blizzard and wasn't even good when he worked on WoW FWIW his balance makes today's balance look good.

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Everyone fucking hated Ghostcrawler when he was in charge. It's hilarious how he's had this resurgence as some kind of visionary since he bailed.

Start an MMO project at riot that never gets off the drawing board and has to be restarted again after he leaves- check
Start new company and claim you are making a great mmo- check

People gonna keep believing the grift cause he was a dev on WoW during their nostalgia years lololololol.

The only thing ghostcrawler ever developed of note was his absolute trash class balancing in WoW. Everyone remember his genius hybrid tax?

[Loveliest]

Would a "super casual" be on a forum talking about the game?
I consider time spent on game forums part of time spent for that game. Unless you're at work...

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Rather you applying the word casual to yourself is roughly akin to facist groups abusing the word socialism out of popularity. They aint and you arent.

I wish forum posters would stop doing topics like this. It always degenerates in a discussion about the term "casual". Is casual someone who plays very little or is casual someone who plays a lot but no group endgame content, or is that dude that because he does not do Mythic raids calls himself casual, so on and so forth...
Casual was a term used supposedly for a fast naming of someone who does not do any of the 3 pillars of wow group content (dungeons, raids, pvp). But people will use it in random ways anyway so the term lost all its meaning in relation to WoW.

Like the dude a few posts above says. There is no definition so all there is left is self identification. Well, there was one in regards to WoW, but people decided the actual english word is vague enough to allow for all manners of "self identification". Why? Because people like telling others they're wrong, so why would they all agree to use the term for something when referring to WoW specifically, when they can have the same "discussion" for 20 pages every single forum post that mentions the word.

[Glorious Leader]

Then does that mean that you screeching "you ain't a casual!" at people is like right-wing conservatives telling trans people they aren't men/women?

I'm happy you have the kind of certainty in life that lets you decide the identity of other people. It's important to have convictions. It's just... other people may not share those convictions. So while you're entirely free to sit on your island rampaging about who's a "real" casual and who isn't, do understand that everyone else is just going to pass by and give you a pitying smile.

In the absence of an objective definition, self-identification is really all that's left. Do you have an objective definition? Obviously not. Or you'd have given it to people. Your little attempts in earlier posts were instantly defused by counterexamples. So you go right ahead and call people hardcore or whatever, they'll simply continue on their existence as self-identifying casuals and being happy with that label.

Rather your abuse of the word in the name of identity is actually much worse. Using the persecution and hostility faced by members of the lqgtb community in order to further a baseless argument is disgusting.

I gave multiple examples of criteria that would not in fact qualify as casual. You ignore or dismiss them as you like. Its pointless you are clearly not having this conversation in good faith

[Biomega]

I gave multiple examples of criteria that would not in fact qualify as casual.

According to you. Not according to any objective reasons.

That's my point. You need an objective reason, not just an objective criterion. I could say "anyone under 30 years of age isn't a casual" - that'd be an objective criterion (age can be objectively determined), but it wouldn't be an objective reason because objectively, nothing about being 30 has anything to do with being a casual. The only connection to casual being made in that example is a subjective one (pure say-so) and as such is a bad reason.

You don't have any objective reasons. I don't think anyone does. That's... my point. There aren't any. All you're left with is subjective ones, out of which self-identification is the only fair way of doing it because everything else runs into problems of bias and exclusion as you attempt to be determinative of others.

Don't try and make this into some accusation of bad faith to weasel out of having to put up. Do you have objective reasons, yes or no. If yes, show me. Not just "oh I already gave them, somewhere". SHOW. ME. Feel free to quote your own post or whatever if you want to demonstrate you've already covered it. I don't mind. It'd shut me up instantly and real good. But you're not going to do that, are you. You're going to go "nah dude look it up yourself I'm done you can't be communicated with" or some variation thereof. Because you have no leg to stand on, and even though I'm giving you an EASY chance to embarrass me by proving me wrong you are not going to make use of it because there's nothing there.

[Tziva]

This thread is way off the rails and has been for quite some time.

OP received some answers before the thread totally derailed with semantics and offtopic issues, so just going to go ahead and lock the thread at this point.