Reason i dont like WoW PVP and still wait to hop on

[WowIsDead64]

Well, during most of DF, vast majority of specs were viable in PvP and you were able to climb and achieve some success, depending on the goals you set. Sure, there were some OP specs after class reworks, but most of them were brought down eventually and even though some specs were dominating, you were able to play. Now in TWW, it seems similar - there are some overtuned specs which are dominating, but you are still able to get good results on most specs, and as of latest tuning, the most undertuned specs got buffs, so are way more viable.

Now compare it to m+ where you are limited what you want to play only until certain key level. If you reach that, then if you are not playing meta spec, you don't get invites at all. It was extremely evident in DF S2 when aug evoker was introduced into the game and god comp of spriest, mage, aug, bear tank and pala heal dominated and if you wanted to push highest of keys, you were in trouble if you did not play one of this specs.

WoW PvP introduced two ranked solo modes now, one for arenas, one for BGs and it brought rather big versatility in your PvP experience. Some specs are typicaly strong in arenas, but are not that effective in BGs and vice versa. Now, unless you are severly undertuned (like fire mages), you have your way to climb in PvP, all the way to the top. It is just in your hands and in your abilities and you don't rely on others to invite you to groups.

I mean, in PVE you always have option to just not play high keys or mythic raids. It doesn't work this way in PVP. I play PVP game, where I have 40% MMR. I'm average player. I have 50% unofficial rating. I have 40% MMR only cuz top 60% can potentially be matched against top 20%. I.e. it's already obvious, that matchmaker is broken, cuz it allows mid 20% players to play against top 20% ones. So game is totally broken even at 40% MMR. There is no place there to get fun. Balance itself isn't problem. But there are always things like Meta and troll builds. Meta is bad, when devs nerf your favorite playstyle, so it's no longer viable. And there is always that "Rogue" style build, that is allowed to be almost invulnerable and always avoid direct combat and losses via being able to kill you, when you're weak, and to escape combat is case of potential loss, so it's super annoying and therefore abused by all kinds of trolls. It's standard devs' mistake, when they balance around power, but have skill requirement imbalance. Two builds can be theoretically equal, but only in some perfect conditions, like top 1% player vs top 1% player. In lower skill situations one of builds has lower skill requirement advantage. For example when better aiming skill is required to hit him. Devs should take it into account, when they match players against each other, but they don't.

[Tombitp]

OP if you're still here....

What am I looking at besides the obvious 3v3 arena? What am I *SUPPOSED* to be looking for?

Nothing for you, you are already lost and part of the problem, move away sweaty lord.

[khazmodan]

OP if you're still here....

What am I looking at besides the obvious 3v3 arena? What am I *SUPPOSED* to be looking for?

To me it seems like so much of the screen is blocked that you could lose an opposing player behind some of it and be confused into making mistakes, in pve you already know what is going to happen so you can modify the ui for the vision you need.

[Meowtwo]

I mean the issue here is the same for Pve. Addons and WA are mandetory to play the game because the default UI tells you nothing. Which is super toxic for new players.

#banalladdons

[Rinnegan2]

I mean the issue here is the same for Pve. Addons and WA are mandetory to play the game because the default UI tells you nothing. Which is super toxic for new players.

#implementalladdonsintothedefaultui

fixed it for ya

[Mysterymask]

I mean the problem is "Players who put time and effort into playing are better than me"
and your upset because you don't want to put the time and effort to play the game and if they remove addons those players are probably STILL going to be overwhelmingly better than you cause surprise they put in the time and effort into getting better than you

This isn't a wow problem this is a "I hate losing problem"

[Tyron]

So, I jumped again into pvp this week (because for some reason Blizzard decided to lock 4 anniversary tokens behind it but whatever) after ten years of barely doing bg's and arenas in retail. And holy shit, I think I will never do it again. I was never too much into it, but I liked to do some BG's occasionally (got Battlemaster in 2012). Now, I don't know if it's because I'm getting old or something, everything is going so fast, people blinking like mages all over the place, and there are so many particle effects that I don't know what to do haha. Anyone else has the same problem?

[saixilein]

So, I jumped again into pvp this week (because for some reason Blizzard decided to lock 4 anniversary tokens behind it but whatever) after ten years of barely doing bg's and arenas in retail. And holy shit, I think I will never do it again. I was never too much into it, but I liked to do some BG's occasionally (got Battlemaster in 2012). Now, I don't know if it's because I'm getting old or something, everything is going so fast, people blinking like mages all over the place, and there are so many particle effects that I don't know what to do haha. Anyone else has the same problem?

Its not your age, the game got much faster over the years. I mean watch some pvp movies from wotlk or cata and compare the gameplay to modern wow. Its soooo much faster These days.

Also there is way to much cc in the game. They nerfed it in DF already but its way to much. Fot Arena its kinda fine, but in BGs its so much, that you cant play the game anymore, if the enemys take care of ccs/dr.

And also there is much powercreep. More of everything. More utility, more cc, more mobility, more defensives etc. Its kinda frustrating.

Most pvp games are: either you stomp or get stomped. And thats not fun. There are barely any balanced and really close games.

[Meowtwo]

fixed it for ya

Disagree, WA and similar should not be default because that means nothing has changed, youd still need your WA packs from elsewhere and it would still be a massive hurdle. And the point is that artificial hurdles to compete are bad.

[mbit2]

I mean the problem is "Players who put time and effort into playing are better than me"
and your upset because you don't want to put the time and effort to play the game and if they remove addons those players are probably STILL going to be overwhelmingly better than you cause surprise they put in the time and effort into getting better than you

This isn't a wow problem this is a "I hate losing problem"

Noobs arent the ones fed up with addon maintenance, its the vets who already had to do it for years.
Addons are a good idea but blizz beancounters are too greedy to fund vital addon developers while their codemonkeys keep breaking the api so players deal with frequently broken mandatory addons. I dont know if they improved but in past they didnt even tell addon devs how they gonna break addons next. You paying for a game and then running after them picking their poo on top as an addon dev, its insane. Broken dr tracking is probably the most tilting issue they produced since cc is vital core of pvp.

[HansOlo]

People been asking for this UI every AWC.

I just think we should have optional setting for this. It's done by Blizzard, so release it already.



If I knew anything about WA - I would create the addon for it. Can somebody atleast try - just the party and arena frames.

[Cynical Asshole]

The vast majority of players, like 90% or so, are not arena players, are not ratings chasers, they just want to jump into pvp and do solo pvp and beat up other people.

Now because of how PVP is balanced in this game, you can't do that unless you play very specific classes/specs that happen to be very good at solo PVP, and not everyone is interested in playing those specific classes, and so they just play their favorite classes/specs, and then get rekt by the aforementioned classes/specs that are very good at solo pvp, and just stop participating in pvp altogether.

[HansOlo]

The vast majority of players, like 90% or so, are not arena players, are not ratings chasers, they just want to jump into pvp and do solo pvp and beat up other people.

Now because of how PVP is balanced in this game, you can't do that unless you play very specific classes/specs that happen to be very good at solo PVP, and not everyone is interested in playing those specific classes, and so they just play their favorite classes/specs, and then get rekt by the aforementioned classes/specs that are very good at solo pvp, and just stop participating in pvp altogether.

I kinda figured out a formula.

1. Which class is played the most overall? Mages?
2. Do you believe Blizzard wants to attract people to PvP? Yes?
3. Expect no nerfs to mages. It doesn't matter if it's PvP or PvE. In fact, buff them a little bit so it's feels good.
4. The special snowflake is going to roll survival hunter anyway. And he will sit down and wait for the buffs.

They are the most open book type of company I know of.
I.e they increased the worth of timewalking currency, by reducing currency income and introducing more tmogs = they are going to implement more timewalking, starting with BFA. It's going to be more evergreen.

[Rinnegan2]

Disagree, WA and similar should not be default because that means nothing has changed, youd still need your WA packs from elsewhere and it would still be a massive hurdle. And the point is that artificial hurdles to compete are bad.

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