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  1. #21
    Nice to have a nerdy character in the story, definitely something new and fresh. He is ok.

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    I like that he takes more after Brann, being more like to rush off into an adventure or get lost exploring. Will have to see where things go from here

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    Yeah, I've read his short story. He has super autism
    Holy fuck lmao the mods of this site really just want this place to be 4chan lite huh.

    What a fucking embarrassment.

    Because while they're infracting people for insulting Nazis, they're just allowing Nazis to post absolute fucking nonsense unabated on here.

    No wonder this forum has been dying a slow death the last decade, the mods are just allowing nazbol posting as long as they don't "technically" violate the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlette View Post
    Holy fuck lmao the mods of this site really just want this place to be 4chan lite huh.

    What a fucking embarrassment.

    Because while they're infractign people for insulting Nazis, they're just allowing Nazis to post absolute fucking nonsense unabated on here.

    No wonder this forum has been dying a slow death the last decade, the mods are just allowing nazbol posting as long as they don't "technically" violate the rules. Lmao great job Aucald you disingenuous cunt.
    What do you mean ? Dagran really is presented as neurodivergent, I mean that's how he seemed to me at least. And he does lean on the trope of "autism that makes you great at something".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlette View Post
    Holy fuck lmao the mods of this site really just want this place to be 4chan lite huh.

    What a fucking embarrassment.

    Because while they're infractign people for insulting Nazis, they're just allowing Nazis to post absolute fucking nonsense unabated on here.

    No wonder this forum has been dying a slow death the last decade, the mods are just allowing nazbol posting as long as they don't "technically" violate the rules. Lmao great job Aucald you disingenuous cunt.
    Woah overreacting much. As someone living in one house with two autistic people, I can see the resemblance with Dagran. And absolutely not in a harmful or insulting way.

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    I don't hate him, nor do I like him. Kind of feels like he's just there every corner you turn.
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    The new characters are good, I love both Fae and Dagran. I'm with you: I love both his voice and a model. Didnt expect him to be so cool
    step into everything will gief ya nothing, mon

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    Eh, just another ultra geeky Dwarven character whose personality and appearances revolve around what he's geeky about. Not sure how that became a trope in WoW, but in this case it's not even a fresh take as his field of interest completely overlaps with Brann's (and while it may make sense that he'd be inspired by a famous family member, it doesn't help with the freshness issue). Voice acting is OK per se, though some of the exchanges he had (especially with Earthen characters) had rather meh writing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlette View Post
    Holy fuck lmao the mods of this site really just want this place to be 4chan lite huh.

    What a fucking embarrassment.

    Because while they're infracting people for insulting Nazis, they're just allowing Nazis to post absolute fucking nonsense unabated on here.

    No wonder this forum has been dying a slow death the last decade, the mods are just allowing nazbol posting as long as they don't "technically" violate the rules.
    Are you insane lol.

    Autism is a safe word in a WoW forum, should be implied.

    Really trying to demonize the word there, comparing it to nazis lol. It isn't an insult as much as south park led you to believe.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by DatToffer View Post
    He's a full on teenager. I didn't expect the full grown beard considering he's young, but I also didn't expect baby smooth skin either, you see.
    Until you can grow a proper beard, you shave.

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    Yeah, no. I don't like him.

    I try to ignore him, but really he's a gnome in a dwarven body. Like Brann and Mekkatorgue in one, but we already have Brann and Mekkatorgue, so why do we need Dagran? He is better than any of the explorer characters in DF, but I really don't relate to him. Also his eyes and glasses are creeping me out.

  12. #32
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    Until you can grow a proper beard, you shave.
    Now I understand toxic dwarf masculinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DatToffer View Post
    What do you mean ? Dagran really is presented as neurodivergent, I mean that's how he seemed to me at least. And he does lean on the trope of "autism that makes you great at something".
    Nothing about Dagran really comes across to me as autistic or neurodivergent, really. He's studious, curious, and intellectually minded, sure - but he seems to have no issues communicating to others, relating to others, or any of the other staples that would denote ASD. He more or less comes across as an excitable and oftentimes distracted scholarly type, which doesn't imply or require any kind of official diagnosis. If I were to diagnose him, I'd probably say he has a touch of ADHD as opposed to ASD - but not to the point of true dysfunction.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

  14. #34
    He's the new Lorewalker Cho but not as good. He's fine I guess most of the new characters added have been underwhelming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Nothing about Dagran really comes across to me as autistic or neurodivergent, really. He's studious, curious, and intellectually minded, sure - but he seems to have no issues communicating to others, relating to others, or any of the other staples that would denote ASD. He more or less comes across as an excitable and oftentimes distracted scholarly type, which doesn't imply or require any kind of official diagnosis. If I were to diagnose him, I'd probably say he has a touch of ADHD as opposed to ASD - but not to the point of true dysfunction.
    For me it was mostly the way Moira described him. Reclusive, more interested in the world as told by books than by people. One of her main worries was that Dagran would not be able to address his audience because it was an exercise he had avoided for so long, escaping in his books instead.

    And I get that the audience here is grumpy old dwarves chieftains, but still, it did feel to me like Dagran is not comfortable with social interactions. Even when he actually takes the leap of addressing the chiefs, he does it in such an unconventional fashion that it baffles everyone around. And of course there is the twist that he seemingly insult the audience, while he was just revealing the answer to the enigma, but that was on purpose if I understood correctly.

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    he sort of feels like he is Anduin pre-shadowlands.

    just a bit more about books and less about holy-preaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DatToffer View Post
    For me it was mostly the way Moira described him. Reclusive, more interested in the world as told by books than by people. One of her main worries was that Dagran would not be able to address his audience because it was an exercise he had avoided for so long, escaping in his books instead.

    And I get that the audience here is grumpy old dwarves chieftains, but still, it did feel to me like Dagran is not comfortable with social interactions. Even when he actually takes the leap of addressing the chiefs, he does it in such an unconventional fashion that it baffles everyone around. And of course there is the twist that he seemingly insult the audience, while he was just revealing the answer to the enigma, but that was on purpose if I understood correctly.
    I wouldn't call being introverted tantamount to a diagnosis of ASD, either; there's a pretty wide gulf there, and Dagran also shows himself to be adept at addressing the assembly of dwarven leaders when the situation finally calls for it, too. He's even able to call them out and get them to see and accept his reasoning - showing that despite his bookishness, Moira's fears are mostly misplaced. Mostly I kind of see some of the criticisms of Dagran as a form of the stereotypical classification of introverts as dysfunctional because they're not extroverted. Introverts are well capable of forming deep friendships and even delivering superb oration, those aren't skills manifestly beyond them. They may not be the most outgoing or sociable of folks in the general sense, but that's more inclination as opposed to actual inability.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

  18. #38
    I like Dagran, he subverts some of the Dwarven racial tropes, but that's good, not every Dwarf has to be a bearded, boisterous drunkard, he's a science-guy, but not as... loud about it as a Gnome or Goblin would be, his more subdued tone of voice is a real favourite of mine, really shows his bookish personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I wouldn't call being introverted tantamount to a diagnosis of ASD, either; there's a pretty wide gulf there, and Dagran also shows himself to be adept at addressing the assembly of dwarven leaders when the situation finally calls for it, too. He's even able to call them out and get them to see and accept his reasoning - showing that despite his bookishness, Moira's fears are mostly misplaced. Mostly I kind of see some of the criticisms of Dagran as a form of the stereotypical classification of introverts as dysfunctional because they're not extroverted. Introverts are well capable of forming deep friendships and even delivering superb oration, those aren't skills manifestly beyond them. They may not be the most outgoing or sociable of folks in the general sense, but that's more inclination as opposed to actual inability.
    When you put it that way, I guess I was just seeing too much in the alarmist tone of Moira. I'll follow his development with interest, but come to think of it, he doesn't seem to have much difficulty in expressing his own feelings to his family and such.

  20. #40
    I really like Dagran. Definitely the best "new" character in ages.

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