Why is Alleria so useless? (Spoilers)

[FelPlague]

Nah, I just want her to act like a legendary ranger with thousands years expertise and not just be a pushover every time the Harbinger shows up.

Yeah, and she is. But you could be a trillion year old ranger, but what the fuck you gunna do when the enemy literally just vanishes before your arrow reaches them?

come on man this is stupid. Alleria's "pushover" moments were not her being a pushover, but Xalatath being XALATATH

[Timester]

Anyway, no It was a literal arrow.. like every other time she shot an arrow, but this time she was aiming at that trinket, she even says this.
The dark heart is able to absorb it seems most magic damage, the glass on that trinket literally breaks form the shot.

Alleria's arrows are made of Void. She summons all her Void arrows, just doesn't even use a quiver.

And exactly "most magic damage", except for Void. And you still consider a "trinket" something that easily continued a full blast from Atiesh. A full blast from Atiesh was what stop the Avatar of frinking Sargeras in the past.

[Alanar]

Alleria's arrows are made of Void. She summons all her Void arrows, just doesn't even use a quiver.

And exactly "most magic damage", except for Void. And you still consider a "trinket" something that easily continued a full blast from Atiesh. A full blast from Atiesh was what stop the Avatar of frinking Sargeras in the past.

This.. trinket is appearently able to absorb that as we have seen with Khadgar, while not attacking we see that the trinket also absorbs what looks like void magic all around her. We dont know how or what exactly it can absorb or what the purpose is really. Why a simple void arrow can break is obviously cus Alleria is special. We already figured that one out.

Its essentially pointless to compare powerlevels in wow, always has been. This is just a convenient moment in the story. Again it was simply lucky Alleria was able to shoot in the first place looking at how easily she was disarmed all the times before.

[Relapses]

Funny because that's exactly how you act in this thread, trying to downplay my opinion as "unimportant".

Well, it is. Sorry I had to be the guy to tell you this.

If I wanted to step down to your level I would have asked you what makes you think your opinion is "important" but I'm not that childish.

It isn't, but again, I'm not the guy making threads every time the WoW story fails to meet whatever imaginary headcanon I've developed.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

making threads every time the WoW story fails to meet whatever imaginary headcanon I've developed.

Careful— you’re accurately describing more than half of the website here.

[doledippers]

what were you expecting? alleria to walk up and instantly kill xalatath , the main villain who is being built up to be relevant over multiple expansions? the dynamic with alleria being susceptible to the voids influence and xalatath seemingly being purely void-aligned is very clearly spelled out in game, im not sure what you were expecting here.

[Timester]

This.. trinket is appearently able to absorb that as we have seen with Khadgar, while not attacking we see that the trinket also absorbs what looks like void magic all around her. We dont know how or what exactly it can absorb or what the purpose is really. Why a simple void arrow can break is obviously cus Alleria is special. We already figured that one out.

Its essentially pointless to compare powerlevels in wow, always has been. This is just a convenient moment in the story. Again it was simply lucky Alleria was able to shoot in the first place looking at how easily she was disarmed all the times before.

Void. You keep missing the "Void" part yet again.

This is not new, another of Neltharion's creations, the Dragon Soul, was destroyed by using a scale from Neltharion himself. It's just a repeat of Deathwing's failures.

[Narwhalosh Whalescream]

The problem is monologuing when the hero stands in front of you. Don't do that. It never ever works "BUT IT WORKED FOR THANO-" shush we do not speak about marvel here.

[Arlette]

Are y'all just not paying attention to the plot?

And how we've seen what like 5 times in the base launch alone that Xal'atath is toying with Alleria and Alleria can only vaguely feel where she is when Xal wants and is just messing with her to try and get her to succumb to the void. And can very easily just push void into her to distract her or disarm her, ect.

The only reason she doesn't in the final time when the Dark Heart is destroyed is because she hasn't realized that Alleria had resolved herself against the void after their confrontation in the Nerubian capital, she thinks Alleria is going to just try to shoot her again and knows Alleria cannot hurt her.

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So Xal'atath has been defeated a week and a half into the expansion?

...no? lol

[Ereb]

Also since you like to jump into random conclusions, just because it's a "billion dollar gaming company" doesn't mean their stories are flawless.

Nobody said it was flawless, just better than anything you could ever come up with.

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So Xal'atath has been defeated a week and a half into the expansion?

See this is why world content has to be so brain dead easy. (I joke I joke :P )

[Alanar]

Void. You keep missing the "Void" part yet again.

This is not new, another of Neltharion's creations, the Dragon Soul, was destroyed by using a scale from Neltharion himself. It's just a repeat of Deathwing's failures.

Not really, It was already talked about, you are a little late. Yes I know alleria is special and her special void arrow did it. There is nothing else to it.

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Careful— you’re accurately describing the website here.

Fixed it for you..

You gotta go all the way, no exceptions.

[Smeeh]

We broke her McGuffin. She is hinted to be the villain for the entire saga.
She's nowhere NEAR defeated!

...no? lol

See this is why world content has to be so brain dead easy. (I joke I joke :P )

I should have known better than to use sarcasm online, but i would also have thought people would read further in the thread before commenting.
See: This reply i made about it, its litterally 4 posts down.

I know she wasnt defeated, that was the whole fucking point i was trying (and failing, i guess?) to make.

[Ereb]

I should have known better than to use sarcasm online, but i would also have thought people would read further in the thread before commenting.
See: This reply i made about it

I know she wasnt defeated, that was the whole fucking point i was trying (and failing, i guess?) to make.

I thought it was obvious I was kidding with you? Hence the joking comment.

My bad for upsetting you lol

[Arlette]

I should have known better than to use sarcasm online, but i would also have thought people would read further in the thread before commenting.
See: This reply i made about it, its litterally 4 posts down.

I know she wasnt defeated, that was the whole fucking point i was trying (and failing, i guess?) to make.

Yeah its hard to tell when this forum has some really braindead takes haha, my bad.

[Dreamspell]

A full blast from Atiesh was what stop the Avatar of frinking Sargeras in the past.

Aluneth, Greatstaff of Magna is presumably the staff which Aegwynn wielded against the avatar of Sargeras, not Atiesh.
No being on Azeroth would be able to fight Sargeras himself, he'd just split your planet in two, which he could've done at the end of Legion.

Atiesh did not exist, or was not acquired, at the time of the battle between Aegwynn and the Avatar (idk the staff's full lore).

Also, the Guardian's power doesn't come from their staff, but from a ceremony during which multiple high mages pour their power into one being, which makes them the Guardian.

This is why in the Legion anime a dreadlord offers Khadgar a book which would give him the powers of a Guardian, presumably that book would contain concentrated power, similar to the official ritual of becoming one.

Khadgar self-proclaiming or being called a Guardian in the game is Avengers level writing bullshit by twitter retards.
He hasn't done anything showcasing himself having anywhere near that kind of power.
The echo of Medivh which still lingers in the Nether probably has more power than him, as maybe does Jaina.

Also fuck xalalala, she's a mary sue with unexplained power levels who can brush off the blast from a staff which was weilded by a previous Guardian so it can be surmised that it has some of his power infused inside it, and the mage weilding it is no slouch either.

You guys are arguing Marvel level writing, where every comic book a previous cosmic level power level character now dies it a papercut or some shit.

[BrianTheBeast]

Wasn't she supposed to be a key to defeat Xalatath? All she's done so far is lose and run away, with her biggest accomplishment being hitting Xal in her brooch, something literally any other marksman could have done.

She is a face of this expansion and to my understanding was supposed to be crucial to defeat Xalatath, but so far she is just a cute doll for our dagger lady to mock. Why her supposed mastery over the void isn't playing any role in the story so far?

Every "hero" starts out useless in X.02, they gain a bit of traction, but backslide again in X.1. It's "compelling character building" for them to ultimately triumph in X.2. Anyone who has played WoW for more than one expansion knows this.

[Timester]

Not really, It was already talked about, you are a little late. Yes I know alleria is special and her special void arrow did it. There is nothing else to it.

And, so? Deathwing's creations also have flaws connected some power.

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Aluneth, Greatstaff of Magna is presumably the staff which Aegwynn wielded against the avatar of Sargeras, not Atiesh.
No being on Azeroth would be able to fight Sargeras himself, he'd just split your planet in two, which he could've done at the end of Legion.

Atiesh did not exist, or was not acquired, at the time of the battle between Aegwynn and the Avatar (idk the staff's full lore).

Also, the Guardian's power doesn't come from their staff, but from a ceremony during which multiple high mages pour their power into one being, which makes them the Guardian.

This is why in the Legion anime a dreadlord offers Khadgar a book which would give him the powers of a Guardian, presumably that book would contain concentrated power, similar to the official ritual of becoming one.

Khadgar self-proclaiming or being called a Guardian in the game is Avengers level writing bullshit by twitter retards.
He hasn't done anything showcasing himself having anywhere near that kind of power.
The echo of Medivh which still lingers in the Nether probably has more power than him, as maybe does Jaina.

Also fuck xalalala, she's a mary sue with unexplained power levels who can brush off the blast from a staff which was weilded by a previous Guardian so it can be surmised that it has some of his power infused inside it, and the mage weilding it is no slouch either.

You guys are arguing Marvel level writing, where every comic book a previous cosmic level power level character now dies it a papercut or some shit.

You know that Metzen created Khadgar in WC2, right? You know that Metzen wrote Khadgar until Legion, right? You know that Metzen is a HUGE Marvel comic books nerd, right?


Also, your lore is completely wrong. Aluneth refused to be used against the Avatar of Sargeras, forcing Aegwynn to use Atiesh instead. From Aluneth's Legion lore:

PART EIGHT

An excerpt from Fire in the North: The Battle between Aegwynn and Sargeras, by the historian Llore:

"Of all the trials Aegwynn faced, of all the foes she fought, none rivaled Sargeras. In the frozen wastes of Northrend, the Guardian confronted the ruler of the Burning Legion.

"This was not Sargeras in his true form, only an avatar containing a portion of his strength. Even so, Aegwynn's opponent was powerful beyond measure.

"Aegwynn raised Aluneth high and called down a storm of arcane magic to annihilate Sargeras. Nothing happened. The entity bound to Aegwynn's weapon resisted her command. As she struggled to assert her will over Aluneth, Sargeras launched a furious assault against the Guardian.

"Ultimately, Aegwynn put Aluneth aside and opted for a more reliable weapon. She summoned Atiesh, a mighty staff passed from Guardian to Guardian, and renewed her attack against Sargeras."

[melzas]

It isn't, but again, I'm not the guy making threads every time the WoW story fails to meet whatever imaginary headcanon I've developed.

Every time? Check when was the last time I created a thread before you make another stupid assumption and make yourself look like a fool.

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Every "hero" starts out useless in X.02, they gain a bit of traction, but backslide again in X.1. It's "compelling character building" for them to ultimately triumph in X.2. Anyone who has played WoW for more than one expansion knows this.

Except Alleria "started" 3 expansions ago...

[Dreamspell]

And, so? Deathwing's creations also have flaws connected some power.

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You know that Metzen created Khadgar in WC2, right? You know that Metzen wrote Khadgar until Legion, right? You know that Metzen is a HUGE Marvel comic books nerd, right?


Also, your lore is completely wrong. Aluneth refused to be used against the Avatar of Sargeras, forcing Aegwynn to use Atiesh instead. From Aluneth's Legion lore:

PART EIGHT

An excerpt from Fire in the North: The Battle between Aegwynn and Sargeras, by the historian Llore:

"Of all the trials Aegwynn faced, of all the foes she fought, none rivaled Sargeras. In the frozen wastes of Northrend, the Guardian confronted the ruler of the Burning Legion.

"This was not Sargeras in his true form, only an avatar containing a portion of his strength. Even so, Aegwynn's opponent was powerful beyond measure.

"Aegwynn raised Aluneth high and called down a storm of arcane magic to annihilate Sargeras. Nothing happened. The entity bound to Aegwynn's weapon resisted her command. As she struggled to assert her will over Aluneth, Sargeras launched a furious assault against the Guardian.

"Ultimately, Aegwynn put Aluneth aside and opted for a more reliable weapon. She summoned Atiesh, a mighty staff passed from Guardian to Guardian, and renewed her attack against Sargeras."

1. What does when Khadgar was created have to do with anything?
He was Medivh's apprentice and went beyond the Dark Portal, nothing was ever mentioned in WC2 about his weilding Atiesh.
The Tides of Darkness campaign human end cinematic showcases him holding some rando wizard staff.

Khadgar did not acquire Atiesh until Legion I belive.
Not even sure wtf he got it, unless it's mentioned in one of Actiblizzard's endless stories outside the actual game.
Last I remember it had been somehow splintered and scattered across the world back in pre-BC.
Thanks for taking our shit after we raided Naxx and AQ for you, Khadgy.

2. Being a Marvel comic nerd for Metzen did not equate in the Warcraft lore playing out like Avengers Infinity war or one of those cringe movies that they put out in the last decade.
If anything, it was written more intelligently a la Ironman 1 or some of the more interesting Anthony Hopkins/Loki moments of the Thor or some of the Captain American scenes in some of the movies.
Warcraft only became fully Marvel/Cathleen Kennedy Disney's Star Wars post-Legion...which was Warcraft's swansong in many ways.

3. My lore is not completely wrong.
The only part I got wrong is Aluneth because I didn't play mage during Legion so I missed out on that artifact's full lorebook, I just know about the artifact existing and its base lore from the Legion website's descriptions of each arti.
And that just sounds like a retcon (which I'm ok with, but still a retcon), since Atiesh was never mentioned nor depicted in any artwork prior to WC3.

Christ, Atiesh was retconned so many times, I think the pre-BC storyline is no longer even valid, and thank god anything to do with medan was deemed non-canon...so in reality between WC3 and Legion Atiesh's lore was apparently completely rewritten.

Including apparently being able to be broken like a twig by Void-Mommy-Xalala.
Yeah...Atiesh, greatstaff of the Guardian, which survived a fight with Sargeras' avatar....dies to Xalala's rando void shit.

Xalala > Titan avatar. Avengers....crapsemble.

[BrianTheBeast]

Except Alleria "started" 3 expansions ago...

She was not a prime character, and had no main character energy. That is what they are doing now. New look, new motives, more determination. It's like saying Snape was bad. He was not a solid prime character until the Half Blood Prince. It is all relevant. Same with Khadgar. He used to be a nerd mage in Shattrath babysitting a symbol in the middle of town. Now look at him.