Why is Alleria so useless? (Spoilers)

[Relapses]

Every time? Check when was the last time I created a thread before you make another stupid assumption and make yourself look like a fool...

Luckily for you, I have absolutely zero fucks to give about anybody who thinks I'm a fool for expressing my opinion. And even said, being an entitled guy whining about Mr. Blizzard not making the game to your standards even one time is one time too many. Keep it to yourself if you don't want people to call you out for babyraging about lore neither you nor anybody else on this forum has any control over.

[melzas]

Luckily for you, I have absolutely zero fucks to give about anybody who thinks I'm a fool for expressing my opinion. And even said, being an entitled guy whining about Mr. Blizzard not making the game to your standards even one time is one time too many. Keep it to yourself if you don't want people to call you out for babyraging about lore neither you nor anybody else on this forum has any control over.

I'm not telling blizzard anything, if you didn't notice yet, these are not official blizzard forums but a place for fans to discuss about a game. I don't know where you are pulling your weird assumptions from (probably your ass) but it's pretty clear at this point you struggle at having any logical discussions and it seems you can't stand to post without shouting at clouds for no reason.

[Alanar]

And, so? Deathwing's creations also have flaws connected some power.

There is just nothing to it or argue about really. It's just convenient writing.

[Relapses]

I'm not telling blizzard anything, if you didn't notice yet, these are not official blizzard forums but a place for fans to discuss about a game. I don't know where you are pulling your weird assumptions from (probably your ass) but it's pretty clear at this point you struggle at having any logical discussions and it seems you can't stand to post without shouting at clouds for no reason.

There are no assumptions here. Just an observation of your behavior that you can't seem to contend with. It's like you posted this and thought that everybody would agree with your turbo asscheeks interpretation of Alleria's character and have done nothing but litigate anybody who dares question the authority of your superior opinion. The real world doesn't work this way and your entitlement is painfully obvious to anybody capable of rational discussion.

Take the L and move on, homeslice.

[melzas]

There are no assumptions here. Just an observation of your behavior that you can't seem to contend with. It's like you posted this and thought that everybody would agree with your turbo asscheeks interpretation of Alleria's character and have done nothing but litigate anybody who dares question the authority of your superior opinion. The real world doesn't work this way and your entitlement is painfully obvious to anybody capable of rational discussion.

Take the L and move on, homeslice.

"There are no assumptions" then you follow with even more assumptions, hilarious.

Apparently for you having a different opinion on a character in a video game is 'baby raging'.

Apparently for you, making a thread about it on a fansite is "crying to blizzard".

Apparently to you making one thread a year is "making thread every time you don't like the story".

That's a lot of bullshit assumptions my "cry entitled" guy. And it's ironic how you cry about entitlement then tell me to leave in my own thread. You should definitely follow your own advice and find another thread you can troll in, or even better start one. I promise I won't step down to your level and come there.

[Relapses]

"There are no assumptions" then you follow with even more assumptions, hilarious.

Apparently for you having a different opinion on a character in a video game is 'baby raging'.

Apparently for you, making a thread about it on a fansite is "crying to blizzard".

Apparently to you making one thread a year is "making thread every time you don't like the story".

You didn't just do that -- you very clearly implied that you knew the character better than the people writing her which is pure, unadulterated entitlement on your behalf. It's obvious you just want a safe space for people to commiserate with your very bad opinion of Alleria's characterization in this expansion so I won't apologize for not providing you with the validation you so desperately crave.

That's a lot of bullshit assumptions my "cry entitled" guy. And it's ironic how you cry about entitlement then tell me to leave in my own thread. You should definitely follow your own advice and find another thread you can troll in, or even better start one. I promise I won't step down to your level and come there.

It's not "trolling" to tell you that I think you're being entitled and I'm not telling you to leave your own thread. You're free to disagree with my assessment and I generally feel like this thread is a massive waste of everybody's time but all of these "assumptions" you keep claiming I'm making are simply observations of your own behavior. Maybe stop acting like an entitled babyrager and I'll stop calling a spade a spade. Just a thought.

[Zorgulon]

I know she wasnt defeated, that was the whole fucking point i was trying (and failing, i guess?) to make.

I did not catch the other comment you left and completely ignored the other half of the comment I replied to.
My bad my bad x'D

[melzas]

It's not "trolling" to tell you that I think you're being entitled and I'm not telling you to leave your own thread. You're free to disagree with my assessment and I generally feel like this thread is a massive waste of everybody's time but all of these "assumptions" you keep claiming I'm making are simply observations of your own behavior. Maybe stop acting like an entitled babyrager and I'll stop calling a spade a spade. Just a thought.

It is very much trolling to come to a thread and keep it bumped while claiming it's a "waste of time", adding nothing to discussion other than some baby rage because someone has a different opinion on a character in a video game.
I get it, you like Alleria and maybe you took someone criticizing the story you see as flawless a bit too personal, but calling names and throwing around buzzwords is actually more baby raging like than anything I wrote in this thread.

And obviously telling someone to leave as if you are chosen to decide who can post what here is entitlement in the purest form. Stop projecting.

[Phunkle]

Luckily for you, I have absolutely zero fucks to give about anybody who thinks I'm a fool for expressing my opinion. And even said, being an entitled guy whining about Mr. Blizzard not making the game to your standards even one time is one time too many. Keep it to yourself if you don't want people to call you out for babyraging about lore neither you nor anybody else on this forum has any control over.

You've been here for 15 years, how do you still not have figured out how this place works.

[Relapses]

It is very much trolling to come to a thread and keep it bumped while claiming it's a "waste of time", adding nothing to discussion other than some baby rage because someone has a different opinion on a character in a video game.
I get it, you like Alleria and maybe you took someone criticizing the story you see as flawless a bit too personal, but calling names and throwing around buzzwords is actually more baby raging like than anything I wrote in this thread.

And obviously telling someone to leave as if you are chosen to decide who can post what here is entitlement in the purest form. Stop projecting.

Brother, for the second time: I have never told you to leave your own thread. Asking you to move the fuck on from a debate you've demonstrably lost isn't telling you to leave. Also, pretty silly for you to say that I'm "bumping your thread" by responding to you. You aren't beating the accusations of wanting a safe space with that logic. And finally, most importantly, you still don't seem to grasp why I even responded to you in the first place. I have absolutely zero attachment to Alleria or the story. I don't care if your opinion is different. I care that you repeatedly presented your opinion in a way that made it seem like her portrayal in this expansion was a personal affront from Blizzard. I'm sorry, brotherham, but your opinion simply isn't that important.

Considering we've gone full circle here, I'm gonna use this opportunity to take the sagely advice I never gave you and peace out. Ciao.

[melzas]

Brother, for the second time: I have never told you to leave your own thread. Asking you to move the fuck on from a debate you've demonstrably lost isn't telling you to leave. Also, pretty silly for you to say that I'm "bumping your thread" by responding to you. You aren't beating the accusations of wanting a safe space with that logic. And finally, most importantly, you still don't seem to grasp why I even responded to you in the first place. I have absolutely zero attachment to Alleria or the story. I don't care if your opinion is different. I care that you repeatedly presented your opinion in a way that made it seem like her portrayal in this expansion was a personal affront from Blizzard. I'm sorry, brotherham, but your opinion simply isn't that important.

Considering we've gone full circle here, I'm gonna use this opportunity to take the sagely advice I never gave you and peace out. Ciao.

Yeah that's what these forums are for. Presenting opinions. Alleria is just horribly written in TWW and you getting angry about people having this opinion isn't going to change anything. "Personal affront from blizzard" is just you projecting again as I said nothing about blizzard. Just like when you projected saying I "start new threads everytime" when in fact I haven't started one in years. But I'm glad you are finally chickening out of discussion.

[Al Gorefiend]

Yeah that's what these forums are for. Presenting opinions. Alleria is just horribly written in TWW and you getting angry about people having this opinion isn't going to change anything. "Personal affront from blizzard" is just you projecting again as I said nothing about blizzard. Just like when you projected saying I "start new threads everytime" when in fact I haven't started one in years. But I'm glad you are finally chickening out of discussion.

What's horribly written about Alleria. I think she's the most expressive character we've had in a while, doesn't drone out in monotone lost thoughts like Thrall.

[Aucald]

Yeah that's what these forums are for. Presenting opinions. Alleria is just horribly written in TWW and you getting angry about people having this opinion isn't going to change anything. "Personal affront from blizzard" is just you projecting again as I said nothing about blizzard. Just like when you projected saying I "start new threads everytime" when in fact I haven't started one in years. But I'm glad you are finally chickening out of discussion.

You'll need to explain more about how Alleria is supposedly "horribly written" than the brief points of your OP, which sound more like story nitpicks than characterization issues of any kind. Did you expect Xal'atath to be completely defeated in the first act of the expansion's story for some reason? Alleria is prominent in the story because Xal'atath has singled her own for whatever reason, as established back in the pre-expansion scenario and quest chain - not the other way around. Perhaps your issue is more with Xal'atath's characterization as opposed to Alleria's? Either way, you need to provide more evidence for your claim here.

[Timester]

There is just nothing to it or argue about really. It's just convenient writing.

Considering that's one of Deathwing's constant traits even before World of Warcraft was created (Day of the Dragon came out February 1, 2001), it's hardly convenient but actually consistent trait.

[AtomR]

Well...all NPCs and even Lore figures MUST be useless - that is where we come in.

Do you have any idea how often I think to myself "you could have bloody well done it yourself" - when they stand in a camp and go: "Heal those injured" "Look through the spyglass" etc. I mean, I am a man of simple needs....and would be happy if they go "You kill your 12, while I kill my 12, off we go etc.

But yeah...I stick to: They are useless so we can level, have a storyline and do raids. In reality, they are not fighters and heroes, but became politicians that use us a chess pieces and gofers

What annoys me is them being all "emo" about stuff, especially Anduin. But that maybe just me. If a character needs to be "down" or to have given up - I rather have it "Logan" style.

Oh yeah..and why did he yell "NOOOOO" when Alleria was taking a shot at Xal at the Nerubian Queen speech..basically ruining the moment and warning Xal?

AFAIK Because Alleria was the only one who could see Xalatath and he thought she was going to kill the Queen.

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Ah reminds me of WoD were we killed most of the warlords during the leveling campaign and leveling dungeons.
Probably one of the reasons why WoD is so fondly remembered.

Fondly? Shirley you jest!

[LarryWithTheWeatherReport]

The other archer's shot won't be anywhere strong enough to damage the DARK HEART. Alleria has the skills and powers to do it with her Void powered up self. She's easily the strongest NPC protagonist we ever got in WOW.

[Aleksej89]

I dont really understand alleria tactics.
She is a ranger... yea she got taught some void stuff but she is obviously still a ranger and a novice at the void stuff.

And she wants to use that void stuff against a literal void entity that has used void magics/energies since the dawn of time (or so)?
Oookaaay... that is imho the most illogical approach.

Any void trick you can try using against Xalatath it has likely heard of a million times over because, you know, it is from the void and has existed for countless centuries if not millennia employing those skills.
Not to mention possibly some kind of natural resistance to void related stuff.

Though i did not play dragonflight, perhaps im missing something.

[ngc2440]

I dont really understand alleria tactics.
She is a ranger... yea she got taught some void stuff but she is obviously still a ranger and a novice at the void stuff.

And she wants to use that void stuff against a literal void entity that has used void magics/energies since the dawn of time (or so)?
Oookaaay... that is imho the most illogical approach.

Any void trick you can try using against Xalatath it has likely heard of a million times over because, you know, it is from the void and has existed for countless centuries if not millennia employing those skills.
Not to mention possibly some kind of natural resistance to void related stuff.

Though i did not play dragonflight, perhaps im missing something.

I think the logic goes that it is due to her void attachments that she can sus out where xal is at, while everyone else lacks that ability to figure it out before it is too late. She does go on about how she messed up thinking she can attack xal directly before the end cinematic. That's why they had to attack the dark heart. Xal is cocky. She figured she would have been able to goat Aleria into attacking her yet again, despite it being horribly ineffective. Xal didn't anticipate Aleria using her head and going after the mcguffin.

[SilverLion]

I think the logic goes that it is due to her void attachments that she can sus out where xal is at, while everyone else lacks that ability to figure it out before it is too late. She does go on about how she messed up thinking she can attack xal directly before the end cinematic. That's why they had to attack the dark heart. Xal is cocky. She figured she would have been able to goat Aleria into attacking her yet again, despite it being horribly ineffective. Xal didn't anticipate Aleria using her head and going after the mcguffin.

Yeah Alleria is very much "Grey Warden" if you're a Dragon Age fan. She's influenced by the Bad Thing but that connection is used to track it. It also means she has a particular type of relationship to the "Bad Thing" in that it seems only void powers can damage the Dark Heart and lorewise, she's the most powerful Void heroine.

[Jastall]

I dont really understand alleria tactics.
She is a ranger... yea she got taught some void stuff but she is obviously still a ranger and a novice at the void stuff.

And she wants to use that void stuff against a literal void entity that has used void magics/energies since the dawn of time (or so)?
Oookaaay... that is imho the most illogical approach.

Any void trick you can try using against Xalatath it has likely heard of a million times over because, you know, it is from the void and has existed for countless centuries if not millennia employing those skills.
Not to mention possibly some kind of natural resistance to void related stuff.

Though i did not play dragonflight, perhaps im missing something.

It's no different from, say, Demon Hunters being particularly good against demons precisely because they use Fel powers against them. Warcraft has long established that using a cosmic power's energy against it can be quite effective if you know what you're doing, and given that Alleria has a whole dark Naaru insider her she's likely on to many of the tricks a being like Xal'atah could use, even if the cutscenes did a poor job of showing it until that last one.