The War Within Hotfixes - September 12, 2024

[Rafalga]

Don't know about the other compositions but i've gone in with a healer as dps so 2 man run. Trash has the same HP as the final boss and deals 3x damage

[phattsao]

I use Brann as healer 100% of the time, I have enough damage to take everything down solo.


Yep - use alter time, shield, healing pots, mirror images ... all of that - I just can't survive the damage output he targets at me - it isn't even melee which would allow me to kite.



Every single defensive and both my interrupts are on cooldown when I die.


Add the Warlock as a second player with their tank pet - and an 8 becomes trivial.


So all I'm saying is - if an 8 is trivial with a lock/voidy extra player and a 4 is impossible without - there is something wrong with the balancing.

So I just went back and tried this delve again since it's up today (Earthcrawl mines). Frost Mage ilevel 593. Tier 8. No lives lost. I had a bronze haste flask on.

Last boss was Web General Ab'enar on the train tracks. I killed him using Brann as DPS, total was 591k dps, which includes Brann's damage.

The big thing I noticed is that there is not much "unavoidable damage" in this fight. I think the problem you might have been having was curse of agony. It's a dot he puts on you and it ticks very hard. I couldn't tell if it was interruptible or not, but it doesn't matter, because mages can remove curse! Just hotkey that and you're good to go. Almost like a cheat code for this fight.

I did end up using Ice Cold and alter time, but no health pot. He did agro on me for the second half of the fight, but between barrier and a couple defensives I tanked it fine. That spec has the ability that makes your barrier also heal you, which is great for this solo stuff.

Here is the exact spec I used: CAEArhxZfsv/vllYUrQS3iw2nPzYDWwMmZmFDMzMNGjxMzMMMDMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMmZWmpZmtZBCAAaBAAAAAAzCAAAAAAAAA

It's more of a generic open world/AOE spec so I could have swapped to ray of frost for more single target DPS, I just kind of forgot to switch after clearing the trash. That's an option if you need more damage.

Not trying to brag or anything, just showing you it can be done. Remove curse. Go Go.

[Firebeast]

just lol - making dvlves harder just when most of good players are done with them and are runing out of keys to never again do them becuase they will just spam m+

but was fun while it lasted got myself to 601 itlv thx to how they were for 2 days

Perhaps Blizzard should get wise to the groups that cheesed them and take the gear. Seems appropriate to the rest of us working hard to solo them

[Varanus]

So I just went back and tried this delve again since it's up today (Earthcrawl mines). Frost Mage ilevel 593. Tier 8. No lives lost. I had a bronze haste flask on.

Last boss was Web General Ab'enar on the train tracks. I killed him using Brann as DPS, total was 591k dps, which includes Brann's damage.

Here is the exact spec I used: CAEArhxZfsv/vllYUrQS3iw2nPzYDWwMmZmFDMzMNGjxMzMMMDMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMmZWmpZmtZBCAAaBAAAAAAzCAAAAAAAAA

It's more of a generic open world/AOE spec so I could have swapped to ray of frost for more single target DPS, I just kind of forgot to switch after clearing the trash. That's an option if you need more damage.

The big thing I noticed is that there is not much "unavoidable damage" in this fight. I think the problem you might have been having was curse of agony. It's a dot he puts on you and it ticks very hard. I couldn't tell if it was interruptible or not, but it doesn't matter, because mages can remove curse! Just hotkey that and you're good to go. Almost like a cheat code for this fight.

I did end up using Ice Cold and alter time, but no health pot. He did agro on me for the second half of the fight, but between barrier and a couple defensives I tanked it fine. That spec has the ability that makes your barrier also heal you, which is great for this solo stuff.

Not trying to brag or anything, just showing you it can be done. Remove curse. Go Go.

Been trying that one all morning on my ret paladin(593). Have yet to be able to get past the ambush waves. Always just get overrun by damage. Tried Brann as heal or dps. Doesnt make a difference. : |

[phattsao]

Been trying that one all morning on my ret paladin(593). Have yet to be able to get past the ambush waves. Always just get overrun by damage. Tried Brann as heal or dps. Doesnt make a difference. : |

I was actually gonna say I thought the ambush was harder than the boss lol.

I found if you stay close to the door some of the caster mobs don't agro right away, which is nice.

I also remember doing this one previously and dying there, and then when I came back the mobs were just standing around and I could pull them one by one. But maybe that was just a glitch.

[procne]

At the ambush phase just retreat from the room. The monsters that spawn only aggro on you when you are in the room. If you go out you can just pull them at your own pace

[sensei-]

At the ambush phase just retreat from the room. The monsters that spawn only aggro on you when you are in the room. If you go out you can just pull them at your own pace

These people don't think, they just stand in the middle of the room yelling AAARRRGGHH SO MANY MOBS. Instead of just walking outside the room and noticing that nothing is happening and they can pull one pack at a time and rest in between for CDs if need be.

[Varanus]

At the ambush phase just retreat from the room. The monsters that spawn only aggro on you when you are in the room. If you go out you can just pull them at your own pace

Actually did that exact thing. Took 4 attempts of that to work. But, it should be known, that all the mobs, aside from 2 threadmancers, did in fact aggro and come running down the hall. Even with me sitting in the room at the opposite end of the hallway. So yeah, didnt exactly work as advertised.

[schwarzkopf]

The big thing I noticed is that there is not much "unavoidable damage" in this fight.

Well there obviously is - the damage the boss does to me continuously which isn't there when a tank is around..... that is unavoidable.

But I might try having Brann as a dps given he is useless there as a healer.

My point remains though - it is impossible at 4 solo and trivial at 8 with a warlock - that's a huge disparity that needs to be addressed.

[Dald]

I went on to do delves today and noticed no difference. Solo, always.

Prot warrior at 600 ilvl, but still. Even Zekvir was a breeze. Are delves scaled differently for tank specs?

Did you do ?? Zekvir or just ?.

[AtomR]

And I'm ilvl 580, soloing tier 8 on 2 characters and getting 4x ilvl 603 epics per day

Or learn to play better, or gear up in lower tiers. With 580 ilvl it shouldn't be a problem to do tier 6 delve. Make sure you enter in dps spec, as healers and tanks receive double damage from mobs. Ranged classes have it definitely easier than melies, though

The old learn to play better response. I said that I can make the freaking respawn limit. It's just sometimes the elite just one shot me and there goes one respawn. This should be fun to play and not a "i can't wait to get my loot and gtfo of here"

[Azaile-]

The old learn to play better response. I said that I can make the freaking respawn limit. It's just sometimes the elite just one shot me and there goes one respawn. This should be fun to play and not a "i can't wait to get my loot and gtfo of here"

im 602 ilvl, i went in with full group of people above 600. all skilled players. We pulled a rare spawn mob as our first pull and it did an unavoidable AOE that 1 shot all of us. tank included. the healer and mage wasn't even nearby the mob and they exploded with the rest of us. We had cleared delves 9 the previous day effortlessly this was only a T8. The death was instantiations, no dot, no damage you predict, no cooldown could have handled it that my class has.

[procne]

The old learn to play better response. I said that I can make the freaking respawn limit. It's just sometimes the elite just one shot me and there goes one respawn. This should be fun to play and not a "i can't wait to get my loot and gtfo of here"

calm down.
It has become "i can't wait to get my loot and gtfo of here" feature the moment Blizzard decided to add rewards equal or better than stuff available at the time anywhere else.

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im 602 ilvl, i went in with full group of people above 600. all skilled players. We pulled a rare spawn mob as our first pull and it did an unavoidable AOE that 1 shot all of us. tank included. the healer and mage wasn't even nearby the mob and they exploded with the rest of us. We had cleared delves 9 the previous day effortlessly this was only a T8. The death was instantiations, no dot, no damage you predict, no cooldown could have handled it that my class has.

Was it the mushroom elite? It has 2 abilities, one of them is AOE in a cone, which is avoidable, but it has really long range and game doesn't properly telegraph the cone, especially if there's height difference. Which is especially lethal when you try to kite it / run away from it and then naturally you are in the cone without any way to get out of it. Try to stay close enough to it so that you can sidestep the cone.

[phattsao]

Well there obviously is - the damage the boss does to me continuously which isn't there when a tank is around..... that is unavoidable.

But I might try having Brann as a dps given he is useless there as a healer.

My point remains though - it is impossible at 4 solo and trivial at 8 with a warlock - that's a huge disparity that needs to be addressed.

Sorry man, but we’ve identified the problem. You aren’t interrupting or removing the curse of agony. Then going to the forums and complaining that a level 4 is impossible.

This is the problem with public feedback in general. People whine about things they just plain missed or don’t understand, and if enough people do it, Blizzard makes a knee-jerk reaction and ruins it for everyone.

Put remove curse on your bar and try again.

[procne]

Do all classes have means to remove curses now?

[phattsao]

Do all classes have means to remove curses now?

I dunno, but this dude is specifically complaining about mage, who certainly can.

Other classes need to interrupt and/or LOS I suppose.

I think the point is that while delves may have some tuning issues, the ability to clear a +4 on a frost mage is not one of them.

[procne]

Ah true. Ye, it was very easy to solo on my mage. I just stood, let Brann tank the boss and I dpsed from time to time, so I wouldn't take aggro. And just dispelled both curse of agony and shackles. Same with my feral druid

[schwarzkopf]

Sorry man, but we’ve identified the problem.

Indeed - identified a while ago - the boss is doing way way too much damage in solo. That's why it is impossible for certain classes.

Glad to see it is all sorted.

[procne]

Yeah, it might be impossible to classes without means to remove curses or with a lot of interrupts. But that's what I expected when they announced delves - they can't make interesting encounters AND balance them for all classes doing it solo. That's why I was surprised they decided to award so high gear for them, therefore making them "must do" activity.

Well, on the other hand you can try other delves available for the day, or wait for another day and get a delve more suitable for your class. Hmm... maybe that's why they rotate bountiful delves daily and not weekly.