Class Tuning Incoming - September 17

[Algorath]

# of parses in HC this week should tell Blizzard what to nerf and what to buff. And roughly by how much…

Fury: 24.189
Ret: 21.934
Arcane: 29.602

Survival: 4880
Balance:9963
Fire (LOL): 795

Not sure spec popularity is a good benchmark to go by, although a fraction of people will ofc gravitate to the OP every season.

I find it odd, that instead of bringing blood DK back into line with others tanks, or buffing other tanks up to be around blood DKs level, that they buff the second unused blood DK tree...

[Kul]

Not sure spec popularity is a good benchmark to go by, although a fraction of people will ofc gravitate to the OP every season.

I find it odd, that instead of bringing blood DK back into line with others tanks, or buffing other tanks up to be around blood DKs level, that they buff the second unused blood DK tree...

I don’t know DKs that well so I can’t speculate there; but I do know mages. And for sure there is no way that Arcane is 37 times more popular than Fire. In fact I would say that Fire tends to be more popular. So the parse numbers do not convey the whole picture but they sure say something…

[agentsi]

Fury is barely touched at all which is incredible

Uhhh... What? They're getting several nerfs on Tuesday. These are two of their highest dmg skills, for ST and AoE, and both are getting hit with dmg reductions.

Fury
Bladestorm damage reduced by 10%.
Odyn’s Fury damage reduced by 15%.
Mountain Thane: Strength of the Mountain increases Bloodthirst and Rampage damage by 20% (was 15%).


Do you people even read or research your responses or just blindly say whatever you "feel" to be correct at the time, even if it's total bullshit.

[sensei-]

Uhhh... What? They're getting several nerfs on Tuesday. These are two of their highest dmg skills, for ST and AoE, and both are getting hit with dmg reductions.

Fury
Bladestorm damage reduced by 10%.
Odyn’s Fury damage reduced by 15%.
Mountain Thane: Strength of the Mountain increases Bloodthirst and Rampage damage by 20% (was 15%).


Do you people even read or research your responses or just blindly say whatever you "feel" to be correct at the time, even if it's total bullshit.

No, unlike you Mr. Feelscraft I actually know those amount to less than 2% nerf. Fury is miles ahead of everyone else on actual logged results, not sims. 2% does nothing, especially as specs like Arcane are likewise getting a 2% (1.7%) nerf to keep in line.

Fury, if no other changes, goes to mythic week as by far the strongest and the only S-tier dps spec, and progress groups will use more than 1.

[Snotset]

Uhhh... What? They're getting several nerfs on Tuesday. These are two of their highest dmg skills, for ST and AoE, and both are getting hit with dmg reductions.

Fury
Bladestorm damage reduced by 10%.
Odyn’s Fury damage reduced by 15%.
Mountain Thane: Strength of the Mountain increases Bloodthirst and Rampage damage by 20% (was 15%).


Do you people even read or research your responses or just blindly say whatever you "feel" to be correct at the time, even if it's total bullshit.

Think the issue here is the design. dawnlight is our everything spell at the moment so having that going down is going to feel bad obviously. Then again I'm not really of the opinion that a 4-5% tweak now and then truly hurts anyone. I am however still waiting for firemage's 200% buff and for blizzard to stop their fire(mage)shaman agenda. it's not looking particular great for the upcoming pathches

[CriticalGnoll]

Think the issue here is the design. dawnlight is our everything spell at the moment so having that going down is going to feel bad obviously. Then again I'm not really of the opinion that a 4-5% tweak now and then truly hurts anyone. I am however still waiting for firemage's 200% buff and for blizzard to stop their fire(mage)shaman agenda. it's not looking particular great for the upcoming pathches

Fire shaman agenda? What do you mean? Ele shaman is decent but not overperforming, and its hybrid build is better than its fire build on most fights.

[Shadowstrike]

Not sure spec popularity is a good benchmark to go by, although a fraction of people will ofc gravitate to the OP every season.

Thats true and sad. Everyone is going by "thats the meta. i go meta and be top dps like a baus!11!!1" in every class.

For example, almost in every single expansion and every new season, destro lock was almost always near the bottom. Still, i was mostly in the top 5 dps. The same with my brother playing mostly ele shammy.

Skills matter i guess...

[Kul]

For example, almost in every single expansion and every new season, destro lock was almost always near the bottom. Still, i was mostly in the top 5 dps. The same with my brother playing mostly ele shammy.

Skills matter i guess...

Skills matter but sometimes there’s just to big a diffrence. I go back to my Fire mage / Arcane mage comparission.
I have fire mage rotation in my muscle memory and everything keybound.
Now, I respec Arcane and actually mouse click arcane abilities and do at least 30% more dps…

[Snotset]

Fire shaman agenda? What do you mean? Ele shaman is decent but not overperforming, and its hybrid build is better than its fire build on most fights.

haven't you seen that they always reduce the lightning/quake side of things while always buffing fire side? there's almost no precedence of anything else happening ever since lava burst came into existence. except for at the start of an expansion where they have to bait shamans into wanting to play heir class. now if they can get the balancing right hybrid shaman might actually feel good without having the worst burst of all classes (in 11.0.5). But I don't trust blizzard to that degree.

whereas currently you are forced to lower your damage to create itsy bitsy burst windows where lightning can barely make up for it. so you're always playing against yourself as elemental shaman. I am quite happy with how enhancement flows though the pressy style doesn't work with everyone and it seems future changes won't have to much impact on that

[Morph21]

I don’t know DKs that well so I can’t speculate there; but I do know mages. And for sure there is no way that Arcane is 37 times more popular than Fire. In fact I would say that Fire tends to be more popular. So the parse numbers do not convey the whole picture but they sure say something…

you would be surprised about that mage popularity

as of right now the amount of parses for first boss on hc on warcraft logs for mage looks like that:

arcane = 14 773
fire = 488
frost = 4 925

so according to that you are right, it's not 37 times but roughly 30 times more popular.
Ofc these numbers doesn't fully represent actual situations and you always can argue that not every mage plays raids or hc.

here are numbers for first boss normal:

arcane = 25 601
fire = 1 362
frost = 11 918

here arcane is more popular by 18.7 times

But normal doesn't have much of a dps check so you can basically roll your head on keyboard with whatever spec you like.
And I can 100% agree that fire and frost are easier and more relaxing to play with than arcane by 100% (not counting best ever parses).

So I guess my point is that while going for harder content people are more tend to pick the superior spec since every bit of damage matters if you struggle with a boss.

[stee56]

"Unstable Affliction backlash damage increased by 25%."

I could be the only one, but i think having dispel protection on something that has no cooldown is abit silly.

Vamparic Touch, UA etc

Especially UA

[Caprias]

you would be surprised about that mage popularity

as of right now the amount of parses for first boss on hc on warcraft logs for mage looks like that:

arcane = 14 773
fire = 488
frost = 4 925

so according to that you are right, it's not 37 times but roughly 30 times more popular.
Ofc these numbers doesn't fully represent actual situations and you always can argue that not every mage plays raids or hc.

here are numbers for first boss normal:

arcane = 25 601
fire = 1 362
frost = 11 918

here arcane is more popular by 18.7 times

But normal doesn't have much of a dps check so you can basically roll your head on keyboard with whatever spec you like.
And I can 100% agree that fire and frost are easier and more relaxing to play with than arcane by 100% (not counting best ever parses).

So I guess my point is that while going for harder content people are more tend to pick the superior spec since every bit of damage matters if you struggle with a boss.

I mean, it's a tripple dd class.

I can get behind hunters not wanting to go melee or survival otps not wanting to go ranged but as a warlock/mage/rogue if you have any pride in being a main you probably already learned all 3 specs.

So the "real" mains just shifting to what is best easily isn't a big surprise.

[Eace]

Take Tree of Life off the GCD and Resto Druid would play a lot better. Doesn't fix all their problems, but would make reacting to sudden damage a lot smoother.

[Kul]

I mean, it's a tripple dd class.

I can get behind hunters not wanting to go melee or survival otps not wanting to go ranged but as a warlock/mage/rogue if you have any pride in being a main you probably already learned all 3 specs.

Or...Blizzard could just balance better.

[Valysar]

Shaman
Enhancement
All ability damage increased by 4%.

Why ? They're doing fine it seems

[agentsi]

Think the issue here is the design. dawnlight is our everything spell at the moment so having that going down is going to feel bad obviously. Then again I'm not really of the opinion that a 4-5% tweak now and then truly hurts anyone. I am however still waiting for firemage's 200% buff and for blizzard to stop their fire(mage)shaman agenda. it's not looking particular great for the upcoming pathches

I can understand that a bit, but if we can trust what is being successfully played on warcraftlogs, vs what people on these forums "feel", I think we can see, very clearly, paladin is performing extremely well.

https://www.archon.gg/wow/tier-list/...oic/all-bosses

That said, Mage fire specifically, has always been so good for so long, I'm not mad that Arcane has taken over. But I still just don't understand how Blizzard cannot for the life of them, balance classes across the board. One spec being a straight, 200k sustained dps lower, is absolutely silly, and it sucks for anyone who loves fire mages. 3-5% variance between specs, in ST or AoE, I think is more than fair. But so many classes/specs are all over the place at times. Destro lock is down there with fire mage too, and it just doesn't make any sense when it was super strong last past.