Fire Mage

[Kurrelurre]

Fire mage is absolutely destroying bosses right now. Like 15% more damage than arcane. They definetly don't need a single target buff.
Flamestrike and living bomb are still bad, but i wouldn't be suprised if performance in m+ improves once word gets around to switch back to the traditional ignite spread build.

Really good trolling!

[Caprias]

Really good trolling!

It does quite well on silken court and ovinax, fire is in a fine spot now after the weekly buffs (well living bomb is still weird but w.e.)
Heroic - 90%percentile - range of 1 day (obviously) bang, smack dab in the middle, it's fine.

Also let's be real, frost and arcane simply have the right to outshine fire for at least a couple tiers, arcane is quite fun too.

[Jaggler]

Fire is fine atm. it's not topping the charts, but it's servicable for most content, and doing quite well in special scenarios/bosses.
Just because it isn't the FOTM spec for one season, doesn't mean it's bad. They should decide what they want to do with LB though.
Buffing something that does 0 damage by 10% ist still a gain of 0 damage.

[Kul]

Fire is fine atm. it's not topping the charts, but it's servicable for most content, and doing quite well in special scenarios/bosses.
Just because it isn't the FOTM spec for one season, doesn't mean it's bad. They should decide what they want to do with LB though.
Buffing something that does 0 damage by 10% ist still a gain of 0 damage.

7 Days ago you posted here in this very thread that it is severely undertuned and now because flamstrike buff it is ok?

[Jaggler]

7 Days ago you posted here in this very thread that it is severely undertuned and now because flamstrike buff it is ok?

I have no issue to admit being wrong.
Also it's not just flame strike, it was also a pretty good PF buff, which gets boosted by tier and our current raid build in general.
Also since Arcane was brought down a bit, the difference isn't as huge as it was not that long ago.

[Kul]

Yeah, I look at logs, and sites like Archon and elect raid, dps heroic, and fire is at the bottom. Pyro hits like a wet rag in my opinion. You can still play fire but you will not see your name in the top 10, more than 3 seconds in the beginning of the pull.

[Makabreska]

Yeah, I look at logs, and sites like Archon and elect raid, dps heroic, and fire is at the bottom. Pyro hits like a wet rag in my opinion. You can still play fire but you will not see your name in the top 10, more than 3 seconds in the beginning of the pull.

Why Archon shows Fire as S rank throughput spec in mythic raids and A rank in Heroic?

Similar thing on Warcraftlogs 95th percentile.

[Jaggler]

Yeah, I look at logs, and sites like Archon and elect raid, dps heroic, and fire is at the bottom. Pyro hits like a wet rag in my opinion. You can still play fire but you will not see your name in the top 10, more than 3 seconds in the beginning of the pull.

At archon, fire is at the bottom of popularity, but in the top in terms of output.

[Stickiler]

Yeah, I look at logs, and sites like Archon and elect raid, dps heroic, and fire is at the bottom. Pyro hits like a wet rag in my opinion. You can still play fire but you will not see your name in the top 10, more than 3 seconds in the beginning of the pull.

It's a bit misleading, because there's two factors fighting with those websites that aggregate rankings:

1. Fire has had repeated buffs every single week, those buffs take time to come through in the rankings because they're aggregated
2. When a spec is as far behind as Fire was, none of the actually good players will be playing it, which pushes it even FURTHER down the rankings because you only have people playing it who enjoy it, and they'll have mixed skill levels.

When buffs come through, they can cause quite large swings in rankings, even for small buffs, because those small buffs bring it to the realm of viability for the truly skilled players, and they'll start pushing logs.

[vian]

Bring back cata fire mage.

[Kurrelurre]

Bring back cata fire mage.

Yeah maybe now that RWF is over they can buff Pyro.

[neocount]

The problem I have with fire, and we're already seeing this happen (again), is that is really only performs well at the very highest levels of content. In Dragonflight, it was really only viable in extremely high keys with very large pulls (often with the added benefit of having PI or Aug or both). After the most recent buffs, suddenly Fire has rocketed to the very top of Mythic raid.

There are some changes coming to fire in the anniversary patch, and maybe that will soften the curve some. Only time will tell.

[Kul]

The problem I have with fire, and we're already seeing this happen (again), is that is really only performs well at the very highest levels of content. In Dragonflight, it was really only viable in extremely high keys with very large pulls (often with the added benefit of having PI or Aug or both). After the most recent buffs, suddenly Fire has rocketed to the very top of Mythic raid.

There are some changes coming to fire in the anniversary patch, and maybe that will soften the curve some. Only time will tell.

Yes, on my mage I like to play fire, and just would like to be able (able) to top DPS meters if I’m overgeared for the content. It’s been a few years.

[D3athsting]

Fire is good for raid, proabably lower than arcane in full ST patchwerk but it's a lot easier to handle boss mechanics as fire than arcane and managing burst phases is also a lot easier as you don't have to look for 3 cooldowns but just one plus the only hardcast spells are fireball and scorch under 30%, cauterize is god tier in progression, switched to fire today and did some testing in RF, fwiw in rfinder i did 3 purple and 2 orange parses and felt way more comfortable with the spec in just one day than i did with a month of arcane

[vian]

Yeah maybe now that RWF is over they can buff Pyro.

I want mainly want the cata version of combustion and castable living bomb, it was glorious.

[Kurrelurre]

I want mainly want the cata version of combustion and castable living bomb, it was glorious.

And I just want Pyroblast to do some damage.

[D3athsting]

I want mainly want the cata version of combustion and castable living bomb, it was glorious.

You mean ToT Combustion before nerf with SoO