The world has gone mad and is a constant battle of RED VS BLUE, so how...

[Big Thanks]

Every nation has the leadership it deserves, so if the leadership of a nation is rotten, then it goes to show that the people living in it are also rotten.

Agree to disagree Specially in the internet and information age where we can grow to know the world..
You are not responsible for where you end up being born.

[Mekh]

The world?! No, it's just America and some parts of Europe.

And the reason for that is actually very simple: BOREDOM!

Mass, systemic, BOREDOM!

You see, when your life is so good that you have no worries, nothing to strive towards, and possibly no reason to get out of bed, boredom instills. And some people are so chronically bored that they just invent their own causes to be outraged by and to fight for.

Someone said that Humanity needs a world war every 80 years just to retain its sanity. That person was not wrong. Humanity craves conflict, it needs conflict. We may pretend we don't want conflict but deep down we want it, we're addicted to it. World peace will never be an option, and not because there will always be global bad guys with a lot of military power, who will refuse to comply, but simply because humans aren't wired for world peace.

Look what happens right now, you got a bunch of privileged young upper middle class white people being outraged for basically anything at all, because they quite literally have nothing else going on in their lives. And when these people become aggressive and annoying to the rest of society, then the rest of society retaliates in kind. Causes don't matter, they're just an excuse, only conflict matters. You got people pretending to want to save the planet, but they're actively working to take down the least polluting company in the world because they don't like the CEO. If it doesn't make sense to you, it's because you're looking at it the wrong way. You see, the planet doesn't really matter, what really matters is personal satisfaction of one's own frustrations and fighting back against boredom.

What can be done to fix it? To make humanity come together? WW3 or an alien invasion. Humanity quickly finds unity when a common threat emerges, and has a cause to fight for.

We went full circle from Fukuyama being wrong to him being right again:

Experience suggests that if men cannot struggle on behalf of a just cause because that just cause was victorious in an earlier generation, then they will struggle against the just cause. They will struggle for the sake of struggle. They will struggle, in other words, out of a certain boredom: for they cannot imagine living in a world without struggle. And if the greater part of the world in which they live is characterized by peaceful and prosperous liberal democracy, they then will struggle against that peace and prosperity, and against democracy.

[Kaleredar]

The world?! No, it's just America and some parts of Europe.

And the reason for that is actually very simple: BOREDOM!

Mass, systemic, BOREDOM!

You see, when your life is so good that you have no worries, nothing to strive towards, and possibly no reason to get out of bed, boredom instills. And some people are so chronically bored that they just invent their own causes to be outraged by and to fight for.

Someone said that Humanity needs a world war every 80 years just to retain its sanity. That person was not wrong. Humanity craves conflict, it needs conflict. We may pretend we don't want conflict but deep down we want it, we're addicted to it. World peace will never be an option, and not because there will always be global bad guys with a lot of military power, who will refuse to comply, but simply because humans aren't wired for world peace.

Look what happens right now, you got a bunch of privileged young upper middle class white people being outraged for basically anything at all, because they quite literally have nothing else going on in their lives. And when these people become aggressive and annoying to the rest of society, then the rest of society retaliates in kind. Causes don't matter, they're just an excuse, only conflict matters. You got people pretending to want to save the planet, but they're actively working to take down the least polluting company in the world because they don't like the CEO. If it doesn't make sense to you, it's because you're looking at it the wrong way. You see, the planet doesn't really matter, what really matters is personal satisfaction of one's own frustrations and fighting back against boredom.

What can be done to fix it? To make humanity come together? WW3 or an alien invasion. Humanity quickly finds unity when a common threat emerges, and has a cause to fight for.

Oh please.

Framing every conflict like it’s some petty disagreement between sports teams is precisely why people with no perspective think that their opinions are worth a damn.

You wanna talk about lack of context? “Tesla is good for the environment so you can’t hate Musk if you like the environment” is an absolute dog shit take. People hate Musk for a whole litany of reasons, and Tesla’s pushing of electric vehicles does not excuse Musk for the other bad things he’s doing. Namely, propping up the Republican Party who are actively hostile towards environmentalism. Not “in passing words,” but in active legislation. Look no further than Trump, under musk’s direction, gutting the EPA. There’s your fucking context. And the entire rest of your edgelord joker hot take is as equally devoid of context.


Because caging people’s investment as nothing exceeding “casual annoyance” is absolutely dishonest. Tell that to the thousands of people whose jobs and livelihoods have been upended by mass and sudden senseless firings, to the thousands in Ukraine who will yet lose their lives to renewed Russian aggression at Trump’s direction. Look at people who died to COVID due to an absolute moron at the helm. Immigrants being swept off without due cause, minorities fearing for their livelihoods and lives in ways they didn’t previously. That’s all real, buttercup. That’s not someone being incensed their sportsball team didn’t win the cup and are just stewing till next season.

You see it all as “bored people whining.” Not everyone is afforded your cushy apathy.


I mean, Just because you are sitting pretty in a world detached from caring about anything doesn’t mean everyone is so afforded that opportunity. So cram it with your pseudo-philosophical relativist pablum.


You want the true bored clout chasers of western society? Look at the people who took their disposable time and income to go attempt to overthrow the government and expected to get away Scot-free. Look at the people who twist themselves into hating any number of minorities (racial, sexuality, you name it) whom have never harmed them in their lives. And guess which party is catering to and stoking those people? The Republican Party.

[Big Thanks]

What bothers me is that i am not in a position to "preach" anything...but i do want to make a change in the world and leave a mark.

But how? No idea...

I just want to help.
Help others and stop the hate spreading that is constant in this world nowadays.

But how? And where to start? What to do?

[PosPosPos]

Agree to disagree Specially in the internet and information age where we can grow to know the world..
You are not responsible for where you end up being born.

You are, however, responsible for changing your environment you live in for the better, especially once you hit adulthood. Or change where you live entirely.

Disagreeing with basic facts can't change reality.

[Dezerte]

Be kind to everyone you meet and hope it rubs off. I think the world is probably in for tumultuous ride the next few decades, and I don't think we can get out of this slump without some sort major disaster (be it war, climate or whatnot) but at least you can say you tried. Ignoring it is probably how we got here in the first place.

[Big Thanks]

Be kind to everyone you meet and hope it rubs off. I think the world is probably in for tumultuous ride the next few decades, and I don't think we can get out of this slump without some sort major disaster (be it war, climate or whatnot) but at least you can say you tried. Ignoring it is probably how we got here in the first place.

Thanks for the sad yet warm post

[Endus]

I do not believe so.

The attempts to force people into caring about every last little issue in the world has had the opposite effect, if anything.

Pretty much everybody who allows politics to dominant their lives - regardless of the flavour or 'side' - tends to not only be miserable but seeking to drag others down with them.

Thankfully outside of the internet there's many people, myself included, who are still entirely capable of maintaining strong relationships with friends and family despite disagreements on various subjects both large and small.

The capability to agree to disagree and acknowledge that the world is full of people from completely different backgrounds, cultures, countries and belief systems is the key to a happy life as far as I am concerned. Not reducing everything to 'ffs commies' or 'ffs conservatards' like many are doing within this very sub-forum.

This falls apart completely when you acknowledge that "politics" now involves "basic respect for other human beings, including their capacity to live a normal, healthy life". If a family member or friend of mine wants me or friends or family of mine to suffer or even be exterminated from society, I'm not going to stay their friend or stay in contact with them.

Being unwilling to cut them out of your life is not the sign of strength you present it to be. It isn't a special "capability" you possess. It's a lack of conviction or concern for those they're targeting. At best.

[Polgara]

I do not believe so.

The attempts to force people into caring about every last little issue in the world has had the opposite effect, if anything.

Try living as a person who's existence is politics, if you are privileged enough this stance may seem enticing, but at that point the subject would be so divorced from the reality others live in. Try being assaulted without provocation, or followed by groups just for trying to have a night out, being filmed and posted as a "call to action" against, what I've been called many times the past year, disgusting pedos.

If us speaking up that we face shithouse problems is "getting people to care", then yes absolutely, however you are lamenting no one cares; seems like the people not caring are the assholes here.

Pretty much everybody who allows politics to dominant their lives - regardless of the flavour or 'side' - tends to not only be miserable but seeking to drag others down with them.

"BoFf SiDeS" makes a debut, and it's just as stupid as ever. I'm heavily into politics and I'm happy outside of people who are shitbags, who should be better people, but they won't even try. Ah well, you can lead a bigot to water but they'll just call you a slur.

Thankfully outside of the internet there's many people, myself included, who are still entirely capable of maintaining strong relationships with friends and family despite disagreements on various subjects both large and small.

Define these disagreements please, because "I think corporate tax rates should be 70%" "no I think 38% is fair" is a disagreement I can at least endure. "So are you going to do what the crazy ones do and chop off your dick like an idiot?" is not a disagreement with a person I want to make strong relationships with. Like if your best friend came out and said "Yeah I can't stand N******" would you just be like "yo that's a cool opinion bro I disagree but let's go get noodles together"? That would be a big disagreement. So I guess I'm asking "what disagreements would make you disconnect from a person?" Like, lay out

The capability to agree to disagree and acknowledge that the world is full of people from completely different backgrounds, cultures, countries and belief systems is the key to a happy life as far as I am concerned. Not reducing everything to 'ffs commies' or 'ffs conservatards' like many are doing within this very sub-forum.

Again, I need context: what are we agreeing to disagree about? Because it's easy to discuss corporate tax rates, or tax brackets, or public schooling vs private and still have a healthy conversation and relationship, but if someone is going to start whinging about them uppity N-bombs I'm sure as FUCK leaving and never communicating with them again.

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This falls apart completely when you acknowledge that "politics" now involves "basic respect for other human beings, including their capacity to live a normal, healthy life". If a family member or friend of mine wants me or friends or family of mine to suffer or even be exterminated from society, I'm not going to stay their friend or stay in contact with them.

Being unwilling to cut them out of your life is not the sign of strength you present it to be. It isn't a special "capability" you possess. It's a lack of conviction or concern for those they're targeting. At best.

This, honestly. Being a spineless coward is fine, but it's not an honorable position. If you let nana scream racial epitaphs because she's actually really sweet just means there are now more racists. If you can't muster the strength to go "nah that's not fucking on" then you are just a feckless weirdo.

[Endus]

Nah. It doesn't fall apart in the slightest. You're perfectly free to cut off whoever you like for whatever reason you so wish - but nobody is obligated to join you or embrace the same style of bitterness.

It isn't "bitterness", it's a refusal to endorse someone's malice, whether it's directed at you personally, those you have connections to, or even just other innocents.

There's nothing of value to be gained by continuing a relationship with someone expressing such hate. Cutting them off is just making a better life for yourself. The same way you would if they molested you as a kid or whatever.

There's ample nuance to be found, not in the least because the groups that you champion are by no means a hive mind

Who said they're a "hive mind"? I said they were a malicious, hateful bigot, and I don't want to associate with them. It's entirely about their individual malice and my refusal to associate with that.

and it is becoming increasingly common for many minorities - myself included - to tire of being expected to be perpetually outraged and live in fear over the latest and largely manufactured scandal being pushed.

Why is your status as a minority in any way relevant here?

And nobody's expecting you to be "perpetually outraged". We're not talking about "outrage". Or "fear". You're making shit up.

[Polgara]

I'm not. I made a throwaway comment in response to a completely different poster with my own personal thoughts.

I simply stated that not everyone is willing or obligated to cut off family or friends over something as needlessly divisive as politics, not in the least because it's laughably manufactured and little more than bread and circus theatre to distract the masses and pit them against each other.

You and another poster falsely assumed I was referring to the most extreme cases, as opposed to regular people being hounded and cut off over exceptionally trivial disagreements and petty tribalism.

There's also the simple fact that many people already have enough going on in their lives and don't necessarily have the time or effort to spare in order to devote large swathes of energy to getting up in arms over something happening in some distant nation that they have never and will never actually visit themselves.

In short, it's exactly as I stated - you can do as you wish, but attempting to shame others for not joining in with the latest boycott simply strikes me as rather strange.

Hopefully that clarifies things. Either way, I'm going back to not giving this sub-forum the time of day. It was silly of me to open it in the first place.

This victim complex is absurd. Gamers are not a minority, I also replied to you specifically asking for what "disagreements" you find so distasteful and now you are acting harmed because the post you decided we all needed to see is being questioned.

Don't post in public spaces if you don't want to be challenged. Use the bathroom mirror like I do when I just want to rant and not have other people pass their time and opinions on them. Playing victim really just makes you look even sillier, hope this helps sweetie pie kisses!

Also I assume you still make friends with racists then, since you couldn't clarify what these disagreements are but are staunchly against cutting people off for "political reasons", too. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!

[Endus]

I'm not. I made a throwaway comment in response to a completely different poster with my own personal thoughts.

I simply stated that not everyone is willing or obligated to cut off family or friends over something as needlessly divisive as politics, not in the least because it's laughably manufactured and little more than bread and circus theatre to distract the masses and pit them against each other.

Nobody's cutting off family or friends for actual political disagreements. They're cutting them off over open bigotry, hostility, and disrespect. The real issue is presenting such malicious bigotry as political, in the first place.

You and another poster falsely assumed I was referring to the most extreme cases, as opposed to regular people being hounded and cut off over exceptionally trivial disagreements and petty tribalism.

Because I've never heard of a single case of that happening. Nobody here in Canada is cutting off a friend or family member for voting NDP rather than Liberal.

There's also the simple fact that many people already have enough going on in their lives and don't necessarily have the time or effort to spare in order to devote large swathes of energy to getting up in arms over something happening in some distant nation that they have never and will never actually visit themselves.

Cutting people off takes literally less energy than continuing to put up with them. It takes, literally, nothing.

[Polgara]

Nobody's cutting off family or friends for actual political disagreements. They're cutting them off over open bigotry, hostility, and disrespect. The real issue is presenting such malicious bigotry as political, in the first place.



Because I've never heard of a single case of that happening. Nobody here in Canada is cutting off a friend or family member for voting NDP rather than Liberal.



Cutting people off takes literally less energy than continuing to put up with them. It takes, literally, nothing.

My mother votes staunchly LNP here, I can't fathom why, but she's progressive, like, provably so, hates trump and all that shit, LOATHES (even before I hatched) the trans/sex hate rhetoric but can't seem to put together our conservative party is ALSO like that (I may have her though, she fucking hates the opposition leader atm since he's just trump jr and she's whinging a lot less about labor!) I've never thought about cutting her off because at least her beliefs were positive. Like, this is why I asked what disagreements were in context: Who the fuck ends a friendship over a disagreement over corporate tax rates or how to fund and work a public school system?

However, someone proudly being transphobic, or racist, or sexist. . . etc etc, yeah I'm ending that shit as soon as I can (rip having to live with them and having nowhere else to go =_=')

[Big Thanks]

My mother votes staunchly LNP here, I can't fathom why, but she's progressive, like, provably so, hates trump and all that shit, LOATHES (even before I hatched) the trans/sex hate rhetoric but can't seem to put together our conservative party is ALSO like that (I may have her though, she fucking hates the opposition leader atm since he's just trump jr and she's whinging a lot less about labor!) I've never thought about cutting her off because at least her beliefs were positive. Like, this is why I asked what disagreements were in context: Who the fuck ends a friendship over a disagreement over corporate tax rates or how to fund and work a public school system?

However, someone proudly being transphobic, or racist, or sexist. . . etc etc, yeah I'm ending that shit as soon as I can (rip having to live with them and having nowhere else to go =_=')

People forget you need to also love your enemy...not just your friend.

How different are you from "them" (the other side of your politics) if you also only love your friends.
None
No different whatsoever. You are the same as "them" if you decide to only prio your friends and family

LOVE
YOUR
ENEMIES
TOO

I dont care if you need to beat the shit out of someone in self defense....do it....i dont care.
But you SHOULD love the person you are beating the shit out of.

Thats just how it should be, otherwise you are no different from the others you call "them" >: (

[Polgara]

People forget you need to also love your enemy...not just your friend.

How different are you from "them" (the other side of your politics) if you also only love your friends.
None
No different whatsoever. You are the same as "them" if you decide to only prio your friends and family

LOVE
YOUR
ENEMIES
TOO

I dont care if you need to beat the shit out of someone in self defense....do it....i dont care.
But you SHOULD love the person you are beating the shit out of.

Thats just how it should be, otherwise you are no different from the others you call "them" >: (

This is deranged as fuck mate, why the fuck would you love nazis? Like, you don't really have a clue about that which you speak but want to be taken seriously, okay, why should anyone love nazis? You've made the claim, right here:

People forget you need to also love your enemy...not just your friend.

Thats just how it should be, otherwise you are no different from the others you call "them" >: (

So not only should I love nazis, I'm no better than them too. Jesus some people need to think before they say shit I swear to allah.

[Big Thanks]

This is deranged as fuck mate, why the fuck would you love nazis?

Not "love" as enjoying their side of view...but love in the sense they are people too. Sick people, deranged people...bad people...but still people.
Treat them as such.

[Polgara]

Not "love" as enjoying their side of view...but love in the sense they are people too. Sick people, deranged people...bad people...but still people.
Treat them as such.

They are not treating me as a person, I'm not going to do the same. Again, why should I love people who promote hateful and violent rhetoric? I don't think you should proudly tout your nazi love like this tbqh.

[Big Thanks]

They are not treating me as a person, I'm not going to do the same. Again, why should I love people who promote hateful and violent rhetoric? I don't think you should proudly tout your nazi love like this tbqh.

How different are you from a nazi?

Look at yourself right now...

You stick to your side and hate the other side....you are no different from "them".
Thats what i mean.

[Polgara]

How different are you from a nazi?

Look at yourself right now...

You stick to your side and hate the other side....you are no different from "them".

Are you for real? I'm the same as a nazi because *checks notes* I abhor and openly chastise their hateful rhetoric and don't love them.

This is just fucking trolling isn't it?

[Big Thanks]

Are you for real? I'm the same as a nazi because *checks notes* I abhor and openly chastise their hateful rhetoric and don't love them.

This is just fucking trolling isn't it?

This is not trolling. There is plenty of rules in society to help the sick, the bad, the evil etc
We dont just "kill them" in prison because they serve no good to society...

Is called being human and love other humans...