The world has gone mad and is a constant battle of RED VS BLUE, so how...

[Polgara]

This is not trolling. There is plenty of rules in society to help the sick, the bad, the evil etc
We dont just "kill them" in prison because they serve no good to society...

Is called being human and love other humans...

I never claimed we should? Please point out where I said we should be killing these people, because I can guarantee you I've already had my life both threatened and attempted to be taken by nazis and I've not done so in return. Where the fuck do you get off on calling me equivalent to a personage type who took grandparents and family away from my family, who to this day STILL try to do harm DIRECTLY targeted towards me on multiple occasion, but me who wants these people to just not be shit-eating bigots is an equivalency.

Legitimately, from the bottom of my heart, fuck off, this entire interaction has been fucking atrocious and you should be a better person.

[Big Thanks]

I never claimed we should? Please point out where I said we should be killing these people, because I can guarantee you I've already had my life both threatened and attempted to be taken by nazis and I've not done so in return. Where the fuck do you get off on calling me equivalent to a personage type who took grandparents and family away from my family, who to this day STILL try to do harm DIRECTLY targeted towards me on multiple occasion, but me who wants these people to just not be shit-eating bigots is an equivalency.

Legitimately, from the bottom of my heart, fuck off, this entire interaction has been fucking atrocious and you should be a better person.

Im just letting you know Someone once said:

"If you dont also love your human enemies, and only love your inner circle...therefore you are no different from your enemy"

Thats all im asking of you to think about.
Im sorry.

[Polgara]

Im just letting you know Someone once said:

"If you dont also love your human enemies, and only love your inner circle...therefore you are no different from your enemy"

Thats all im asking of you to think about.
Im sorry.

That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, and your apology is not accepted, because you genuinely STILL want me to love nazis.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

How different are you from a nazi?

Look at yourself right now...

You stick to your side and hate the other side....you are no different from "them".
Thats what i mean.

"If you hate Nazis...you're as bad as the nazis" is certainly a take.

[Big Thanks]

"If you hate Nazis...you're as bad as the nazis" is certainly a take.

Not "as bad" but you are not "being different" from them.

We are all equal in the sense that we are all human.

If you decide to only blindly follow your side, only help your side, only reward your side, only love your side.
Yes, you are not being different from your enemy IN THAT SENSE.

We already feel sorry for the sick in society.
The only other step need taken is to also love your enemies it seems like.

[Polgara]

Not "as bad" but you are not "being different" from them.

We are all equal in the sense that we are all human.

If you decide to only blindly follow your side, only help your side, only reward your side, only love your side.
Yes, you are not being different from your enemy IN THAT SENSE.

We already feel sorry for the sick in society.
The only other step need taken is to also love your enemies it seems like.

You still don't get it, like, at all, and you refuse to listen. Why do you love nazis?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Not "as bad" but you are not "being different" from them.

If we're not "being different"...then we are "as bad".

[Big Thanks]

You still don't get it, like, at all, and you refuse to listen. Why do you love nazis?

I only respect the fact they are also "human", equal to me in that sense. Human like me.

This is why in society we dont just kill the evil people and call it a day.
There is a sense of respect for another human life no matter how bad it is.

When it comes to "judgement"

Is not my job to judge another Nazi...so i dont.
I theoretically only need to "feel sorry" for them...

Im not asking you to join me and decide to love everyone else with me.
But it would be nice <3

[Polgara]

I only respect the fact they are also "human", equal to me in that sense. Human like me.

This is why in society we dont just kill the evil people and call it a day.
There is a sense of respect for another human life no matter how bad it is.

When it comes to "judgement"

Is not my job to judge another Nazi...so i dont.
I theoretically only need to "feel sorry" for them...

Im not asking you to join me and decide to love everyone else with me.
But it would be nice <3

You feel sorry for nazis...

you feel sorry for nazis.

Why be so pro-fucking nazi dude? Like legitimately why?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I only respect the fact they are also "human", equal to me in that sense. Human like me.

That doesn't mean we should love them.

There is a sense of respect for another human life no matter how bad it is.

They don't share that sentiment. And I'm not going to love someone that will say "You are worth less than me because you were born black/gay/trans/jewish/etc"

When it comes to "judgement"

Is not my job to judge another Nazi...so i dont.

And yet you have no issue telling others that they are "no different than nazis". Seems to me you've made a judgement there.

theoretically only need to "feel sorry" for them...

Feeling sorry for the person that has their boot on your neck.

Im not asking you to join me and decide to love everyone else with me.
But it would be nice <3

You are asking that.

[Big Thanks]

@Evil Midnight Bomber

I dont want to sound preachy but yeah, is inevitable to sound like it when you are trying to debate what you THINK "is right or wrong".
Yes i did a judgement on Polgara...and i shall be judged the same way in my life.

Can i really love my enemy like im trying to preach here? Only time will tell.
But i do my best

I think is pretty obvious whats my stance here and what "Book" im following in theory here.
But thats forbidden topics so...

[Polgara]

@Evil Midnight Bomber

I dont want to sound preachy but yeah, is inevitable to sound like it when you are trying to debate what you THINK "is right or wrong".
Yes i did a judgement on Polgara...and i shall be judged the same way in my life.

Can i really love my enemy like im trying to preach here? Only time will tell.
But i do my best

I think is pretty obvious whats my stance here and what "Book" im following in theory here.
But thats forbidden topics so...

You are doing an atrocious job of debating right from wrong, because you think "loving nazis" is right.

[Dezerte]

I do not believe so.

The attempts to force people into caring about every last little issue in the world has had the opposite effect, if anything.

Pretty much everybody who allows politics to dominant their lives - regardless of the flavour or 'side' - tends to not only be miserable but seeking to drag others down with them.

Thankfully outside of the internet there's many people, myself included, who are still entirely capable of maintaining strong relationships with friends and family despite disagreements on various subjects both large and small.

The capability to agree to disagree and acknowledge that the world is full of people from completely different backgrounds, cultures, countries and belief systems is the key to a happy life as far as I am concerned. Not reducing everything to 'ffs commies' or 'ffs conservatards' like many are doing within this very sub-forum.

While I may agree to some extent that some people take things too far that is not what I was talking about.

Political apathy is what I was leaning more towards. Whether it's due to not having any interest in politics (because their lives are great and probably won't be affected), if it's people who simply spent so much time working that they simply do not have the time to engage or if it's people who feel abandoned and forgotten and simply don't care any longer.

To put it short, ignoring problems doesn't make them go away - it usually makes them worse.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Yes i did a judgement on Polgara...and i shall be judged the same way in my life.

Can i really love my enemy like im trying to preach here? Only time will tell.
But i do my best

So, you will judge Polgara...but not Nazis?

[Polgara]

So, you will judge Polgara...but not Nazis?

What can I say, I'm just that bad .

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

You are doing an atrocious job of debating right from wrong, because you think "loving nazis" is right.

He can't sit in judgement of Nazis.

But he can sit in judgement of you and, I would assume, me...because we don't love Nazis.

[Big Thanks]

You are doing an atrocious job of debating right from wrong, because you think "loving nazis" is right.

People who said "Love thy enemy" list:

"Do not return evil to your adversary; Requite with kindness the one who does evil to you, Maintain justice for your enemy."
(the Akkadian "Counsels of Wisdom", circa 2000 BC)

"In this world hate never yet dispelled hate. Only love dispels hate. This is the law, ancient and inexhaustible."
(the Buddhist scripture "Dhammapada")

"Return love for hatred. Otherwise, when a great hatred is reconciled, some of it will surely remain. How can this end in goodness? "
(the Taoist "T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien", circa 200 BC.)

and last but not least:

God and Jesus

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

People who said "Love thy enemy" list:

[Santti]

People who said "Love thy enemy" list:

You just googled that, didn't you? And are presenting them here like it means something? Should I just google people saying disliking Nazis is a good thing? A bunch of nice looking quotes that use a lot of nice words? Would that count?

And also, God? "The good book" is littered by the corpses of people who ended up in his shit-list. But I guess that's different because reasons. Yeah, I know, forbidden topics, yada yada.

[Polgara]

People who said "Love thy enemy" list:

"Do not return evil to your adversary; Requite with kindness the one who does evil to you, Maintain justice for your enemy."
(the Akkadian "Counsels of Wisdom", circa 2000 BC)

If there is no context, then the first just means "understand their actions were abhorrent, and apply justice accordingly" by just the quote, which absolutely does not mean "love everyone", it means do not hold malice into your heart for shitheels like nazis, for malice is not something one should be wont to indulge, however, they still require the hand of justice, it's literally just "be the bigger person but do not let people off for their misdeeds", it sure as fuck doesn't interpret, to me, as "love them unconditionally".

"In this world hate never yet dispelled hate. Only love dispels hate. This is the law, ancient and inexhaustible."
(the Buddhist scripture "Dhammapada")

How does this make sense to you, though? Should we have loved the nazis REALLY hard to stop them, or should we revisit them with love (remember, love implies positive thoughts and admiration for someone) as we want ourselves and do nothing else? I dunno, dude, if my survival from someone requires me to crush their skull I don't think I could if I "loved" them. Generally needs more context because atm it just reads as "don't be hateful", which again, point that towards the bigots then question mark.

"Return love for hatred. Otherwise, when a great hatred is reconciled, some of it will surely remain. How can this end in goodness? "
(the Taoist "T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien", circa 200 BC.)

This is forgiveness. . . This is what this is espousing, I do not think this is trying to say "love nazis" either. I also don't see how they are saying "love your enemy", at best it's "don't visit the same evil visited upon you".

Also is the word "love" translated from these correctly in context? Because as far as I know language translation sometimes only loosely finds a fitting word, and if they were translated from old languages it may be the wrong word (I think ancient greek had a word for love but they had 4 of them and they had contexts, so each word was used in a certain event but they could all be seen as love, just different types.)