Premades are ruining casual pvp and should be banned from the game

[Teshammutna]

You're the average player that doesn't tryhard, just get home from work, all excited to play a couple bgs have some fun, enjoying the unpredictable mess and chaos that's normal in unranked random pvp.
Just like yesterday, and the day before, and before, all you get is an enemy team of organised, prepared, geared, extremely tryhard and motivated players, who will erase your fun and excitement in 5 seconds and camp your graveyard for the rest of the bg.
Why are premades permitted? It makes no sense!
Teams that want to play competitively, organised, strategically, should be playing ranked, no? That's their place. It makes zero sense that premades should be allowed in casual unranked bgs.
I think it would be better for everyone and the fun and health of the game if premade queuing in bgs was eliminated entirely, the only ones who would complain are the antifun bullies who dedicate their whole day to crushing and humilliating the average player, in the only activity that's supposingly targeted for them.

[Just Passing through]

-sounds like something people have complained about for a long time
-should be communicated to Blizzard, MMO-C can't do anything about it...other than clap you n the back, but it changes nothing
-probably has been communicated to Blizzard by in-game feedback and on their forums (as well as MMO-C)
-problem persists
-guess Blizzard does not care
-your move now

[Mysterymask]

Unpopular opinion but
Premades exist because Blizzard doesn't want to remove the ability to queue with your friends/guild. The solution obviously is form your own premade but realistically your mostly just upset because you lost. The only difference between a premade battleground and a guild group in a raid is that in the battleground the NPCs feelings get hurt.

Yeah you lost it sucks, it sucks in world pvp when a bunch of people gang up and murder everything in their path too or a twink just sits there and kick around players and "the randos don't care as much as the ones who do this" is though a valid complaint has a valid solution of either starting your own premade or just suck it up

[Grinning Serpent]

As fucking frustrating as it is to be with a bunch of Daryl Dipshits against a premade, the solution has always existed: *make your own fucking premade.*

If you don't want to put any effort into playing, then you surrender the right to get fucked over by people who do put effort in. Even if they changed matchmaking to favor matching premades and partial premades against each other, you would *still* inevitably get randoms vs premades simply because the number of people forming premades before queuing is going to be fairly low.

The solution is in your hands.

[nvaelz]

It's true the solution is in our hands but actually Blizzard has a higher dimensional solution if they would ever care to change the game.
Yes just make your own premade, just always play in a premade, because if you play solo, the point isn't doing your best, the point is if your teammates are bad and aren't then you doing anything at all doesn't even matter.

Individual power in this game is completely removed.
I can't boost a naked player past 1300 rating in 2v2, why? Because I individually can't do anything that powerful.
I can't solo the entire enemy team in BGs? Why? Because my damage isn't really real.
It all gets negated by huge CDs that just control the outcome, can't kite, can't be kited, can at a very microscopic level of play kite and do sick plays, but it's like dodging a hailstorm on a field, you will get hit once and lose.

I always saw the problem that Blizzard changed the game to be this way and therefore premades just felt more "worse" to face, that's my experience, because I enjoyed solo queueing BGs before Shadowlands, and not a week after it released I didn't anymore. But Dragonflight just made that experience worse because burst was reduced in Dragonflight, but then again TWW has increased burst again, but it's still on the same combat mechanics that Shadowlands introduced(Big CDs controlling gameplay) and what Dragonflight introduced(longer rotational chains with lesser impact + Big CDs) now with TWW it's the same, but they have increased the damage/healing to make the game slightly faster, but it's still capped the same way.

So TL;DR really, Shadowlands premades felt worse than before, in Dragonflight they became AWHOLELOTWORSE, and then in TWW they're still worse than in Shadowlands but better than in DF!

Cuz it's not about premades existing it's about how Blizzard balances the game most people aren't smart enough to comprehend that depth of understanding but I try to make you understand.

Let's say you're a rogue in Classic, facing a R14 premade squad, with warriors and healers, you can still kill the healer, you can definitely do that, you can do a bunch of fun stuff, but in retail you'll literally just get aoe outhealed, your cc doesn't matter, you don't do enough damage to do anything worthwile, you can maybe kill an afker if you have a long time to pve rotation m+ them down which isn't that long if you pop your cds, it's just that if you pop your cds on someone not afk they press their one button to negate your rotation and then you can't play anymore,

People just don't get how the game has changed, so quite directly actually premades just are way more toxic now because you need your teammtes to actually play the game or you wont have fun!

[Itisamuh]

An annoying problem with an easy solution, one that should have been done a long time ago regardless of the premade issue, which is to simply remove factions. Treat it like every other multiplayer game out there, you or your group of up to five queue up, and have an even chance to be on the red or blue team. Of course people could and would still queue sync, but even if they got in the same game, it would be near impossible for all of them to end up on the same team. Balance out how many groups are on each team, as well as how many healers are on each team, and the problem is largely solved.

[Cynical Asshole]

If people simply mass reported the leaders for cheating, they would get auto-banned even if later on they get unbanned because they didn't break any rules.

If they got banned all the time, they would stop doing it because it's very annoying to get constantly banned.

But then people are idiots and don't give a shit to protect themselves. You even get berated in chat if you tell them to join you in mass reporting the opposite raid's leader.

[Meowtwo]

If people simply mass reported the leaders for cheating, they would get auto-banned even if later on they get unbanned because they didn't break any rules.

If they got banned all the time, they would stop doing it because it's very annoying to get constantly banned.

But then people are idiots and don't give a shit to protect themselves. You even get berated in chat if you tell them to join you in mass reporting the opposite raid's leader.

Because its abusing the system? You should get permabanned for getting people banned for false reasons.


Also, its completely irrelevant, play bgb blitz if you want casual pvp without all the aids infecting the unranked system.

[Grinning Serpent]

An annoying problem with an easy solution, one that should have been done a long time ago regardless of the premade issue, which is to simply remove factions. Treat it like every other multiplayer game out there, you or your group of up to five queue up, and have an even chance to be on the red or blue team. Of course people could and would still queue sync, but even if they got in the same game, it would be near impossible for all of them to end up on the same team. Balance out how many groups are on each team, as well as how many healers are on each team, and the problem is largely solved.

Removing factions helps but it won't solve the issue. You are always going to have way more solo queue players than premade players, so even if you tell the system to try and prioritize randoms vs randoms and groups vs groups you will still have scenarios where randoms are fighting groups.

Ultimately, the solution is the same: don't like getting rolled by groups? Form up your own group.

[caemen]

All we need is a button called "avoid groups"...

[Cynical Asshole]

All we need is a button called "avoid groups"...

They're not groups though, they're only grouped up inside the bg. They queue up for the bg ungrouped up, by using a syncing aid of some kind, and Blizzard can't do anything about that because they're not using a game system, it's a 3rd party thing that can't be controlled by Blizzard.

The absolute only solution is for Blizzard to bend their own rules and start suspending these WELL KNOWN premade leaders. The TOS permits it, it clearly says that Blizzard can ban anyone at any moment and for any reason. So if Blizzard just says "You know what? Fuck you! We're no longer allowing people to bend the rules and use 3rd party software to queue up as premades in epic bgs, where premades are not allowed anyway. So we're going to start suspending players who have a history of doing this. We know who you are."

They already did it with multiboxers. One day they just said "You know what? Fuck you! We're no longer allowing multiboxing!".

If they did the same with these premade leaders, that would be great. And they should do it for the good of the game and the community as a whole. These premades are annoying way more players than they cause to have fun.

[Meowtwo]

They're not groups though, they're only grouped up inside the bg. They queue up for the bg ungrouped up, by using a syncing aid of some kind, and Blizzard can't do anything about that because they're not using a game system, it's a 3rd party thing that can't be controlled by Blizzard.

The absolute only solution is for Blizzard to bend their own rules and start suspending these WELL KNOWN premade leaders. The TOS permits it, it clearly says that Blizzard can ban anyone at any moment and for any reason. So if Blizzard just says "You know what? Fuck you! We're no longer allowing people to bend the rules and use 3rd party software to queue up as premades in epic bgs, where premades are not allowed anyway. So we're going to start suspending players who have a history of doing this. We know who you are."

They already did it with multiboxers. One day they just said "You know what? Fuck you! We're no longer allowing multiboxing!".

If they did the same with these premade leaders, that would be great. And they should do it for the good of the game and the community as a whole. These premades are annoying way more players than they cause to have fun.

And why the hell should they do that? Its not against TOS to queue with other people, all the addons do is let them all hit the same button at the same time. Premades are totally fine. And its not even the premades thats the "problems" as such, its the leaders that actually carry, not the people joining. If you ever had a person properly raidlead some random epic bg you should know what i mean, it doesnt matter how the people are, what matters is if they are coordinated.

And to reiterate the above statement, just play BGB. Yes it does have a rating attached to it, but its just the same as normal bgs with less of the annoying stuff (no healers, or severely undergeared healers, general ilvl differences, toy abusers, premades etc etc, all of that is gone), BGB is THE way to enjoy casual pvp nowadays.

[Cynical Asshole]

And why the hell should they do that? Its not against TOS to queue with other people, all the addons do is let them all hit the same button at the same time. Premades are totally fine. And its not even the premades thats the "problems" as such, its the leaders that actually carry, not the people joining. If you ever had a person properly raidlead some random epic bg you should know what i mean, it doesnt matter how the people are, what matters is if they are coordinated.

And to reiterate the above statement, just play BGB. Yes it does have a rating attached to it, but its just the same as normal bgs with less of the annoying stuff (no healers, or severely undergeared healers, general ilvl differences, toy abusers, premades etc etc, all of that is gone), BGB is THE way to enjoy casual pvp nowadays.

Because it's pissing people off?! Like...if someone makes a scene in a bar, they get kicked out regardless they broke the rules or not.

[Mysterymask]

Because it's pissing people off?! Like...if someone makes a scene in a bar, they get kicked out regardless they broke the rules or not.

I mean yeah but Losing pisses people off...should we remove losing?

[Meowtwo]

Because it's pissing people off?! Like...if someone makes a scene in a bar, they get kicked out regardless they broke the rules or not.

[Ereb]

Because it's pissing people off?! Like...if someone makes a scene in a bar, they get kicked out regardless they broke the rules or not.

People with friends are more organized than people without.

That's it ban all people with friends I'm so sick of them!!!

lol

[Cynical Asshole]

People with friends are more organized than people without.

That's it ban all people with friends I'm so sick of them!!!

lol

Yes, like for example the well known premade leader on EU named Zado and his alt Zenie, who is an extremely popular guy with hundreds of friends in-game and playing all day every day just doing bgs with his hundreds of friends.

Hahahahahahahahaha!

People just say in chat "It's a Zado premade", and then instantly people start leaving the bg. Because that's totally how the game should be played, nothing wrong here. Not even counting the players who get put in as replacements and then leave too.

Someone making the game experience worse for hundreds of people? Ban him! Fuck him! No one cares! There is nothing good in letting him piss hundreds of people off every day, but there is a lot of good if he doesn't exist to piss people off anymore. It's as simple as that. Ban them all and bring order back to the community, no one is gonna cry if Zado doesn't do his premades for his hundreds of "friends" every day.

[Meowtwo]

Yes, like for example the well known premade leader on EU named Zado and his alt Zenie, who is an extremely popular guy with hundreds of friends in-game and playing all day every day just doing bgs with his hundreds of friends.

Hahahahahahahahaha!

People just say in chat "It's a Zado premade", and then instantly people start leaving the bg. Because that's totally how the game should be played, nothing wrong here. Not even counting the players who get put in as replacements and then leave too.

Someone making the game experience worse for hundreds of people? Ban him! Fuck him! No one cares! There is nothing good in letting him piss hundreds of people off every day, but there is a lot of good if he doesn't exist.

Disregarding the fact that banning someone for just beeing so good that people leave at his mention is asanine you also really have to consider that its just epic BGs, which always have been a joke and always will be a joke. They DONT matter, they are for farming honour only (and yes queuing into a premade when you are gearing is annoying, but you just gotta grind through it and be done with it).

[Cynical Asshole]

Disregarding the fact that banning someone for just beeing so good that people leave at his mention is asanine you also really have to consider that its just epic BGs, which always have been a joke and always will be a joke. They DONT matter, they are for farming honour only (and yes queuing into a premade when you are gearing is annoying, but you just gotta grind through it and be done with it).

"Good"???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

The only thing he's "good" at is using a 3rd party software to circumvent the Blizzard rule regarding not allowing premades in epic bgs, and then giving common sense directions in bg chat, but these directions actually get obeyed because his "friends" know him and trust him, meanwhile if I try to lead, I get told to shut up, and people do whatever they want anyway.

Like...you do realize you can't queue as a premade for epic bgs using the game's systems, right? Hmmm....I wonder why.

He's circumventing the rules and he's creating discontent. So just ban him and remove him. EZ. Nobody fucking cares.

[Meowtwo]

"Good"???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

The only thing he's "good" at is using a 3rd party software to circumvent the Blizzard rule regarding not allowing premades in epic bgs, and then giving common sense directions in bg chat, but these directions actually get obeyed because his "friends" know him and trust him, meanwhile if I try to lead, I get told to shut up, and people do whatever they want anyway.

Like...you do realize you can't queue as a premade for epic bgs using the game's systems, right? Hmmm....I wonder why.

He's circumventing the rules and he's creating discontent. So just ban him and remove him. EZ. Nobody fucking cares.

Seems like ur jealous to me.