Premades are ruining casual pvp and should be banned from the game

[CrittenMitten]

Premades are a cancer in unranked bgs. People are either being complicit by being making a defeatist comment or deflecting (making it about losing or jealousy). The latter either ignorant on the matter or participating in the practice without wanting to admit it (because they know it is unethical).

There is a precedent here with how most of multi boxing mainly ceased as a practice after Blizzard ruled third party apps syncing inputs are not allowed. Same argument can be used with premades since they mainly use 3rd party apps to queue dodge by showing them their opponents name (10-40 people) which is not available in the Blizzard UI. When the queue pops and if they recognize an opponent's name (e.g. another known premade player) they will queue dodge since they'll be fighting an equally organized group which is undesirable since they can't assure a win. So the entire group will drop queue and requeue until they are matched with a ragtag group of players looking for a fair game.

Venruki made a video about this a few months ago as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ONdxmv_7Q

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Unpopular opinion but
Premades exist because Blizzard doesn't want to remove the ability to queue with your friends/guild.

That is not a valid argument since you can queue with 5 of your friends and guild. Queueing with your friends and guild is an organized group and wanting to queue with an entire organized team which will very likely be using Discord vs an entire team of randoms using in game is unfair.

Additionally, these premades can make their own underground community with their 3rd party apps so they are only matched with other unranked friends/guild groups which is not happening. What is happening is these friends/guild groups are instigating unethical games with randoms for free wins.

[nvaelz]

Premades are a cancer in unranked bgs. People are either being complicit by being making a defeatist comment or deflecting (making it about losing or jealousy). The latter either ignorant on the matter or participating in the practice without wanting to admit it (because they know it is unethical).

There is a precedent here with how most of multi boxing mainly ceased as a practice after Blizzard ruled third party apps syncing inputs are not allowed. Same argument can be used with premades since they mainly use 3rd party apps to queue dodge by showing them their opponents name (10-40 people) which is not available in the Blizzard UI. When the queue pops and if they recognize an opponent's name (e.g. another known premade player) they will queue dodge since they'll be fighting an equally organized group which is undesirable since they can't assure a win. So the entire group will drop queue and requeue until they are matched with a ragtag group of players looking for a fair game.

Venruki made a video about this a few months ago as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ONdxmv_7Q

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That is not a valid argument since you can queue with 5 of your friends and guild. Queueing with your friends and guild is an organized group and wanting to queue with an entire organized team which will very likely be using Discord vs an entire team of randoms using in game is unfair.

Additionally, these premades can make their own underground community with their 3rd party apps so they are only matched with other unranked friends/guild groups which is not happening. What is happening is these friends/guild groups are instigating unethical games with randoms for free wins.

They sync 5man groups for Epic BGs and the solution is adding a deserter buff to players leaving queue.

[Grinning Serpent]

Yeah, the solution seems pretty simple if they're using 3rd party programs to arrange these things - write out the ability for those programs to function, slap anyone that participates in dodging with a deserter debuff, and if it's somehow able to confirm they're violating TOS by using 3rd party programs, ban the fuckers.

None of this will happen, of course. Because Blizz can't even bother to deal with the rampant report abuse going on in retail and anniversary, they're definitely not going to waste effort on anything involving PvP.

[SpaceMistakes]

You're the average player that doesn't tryhard, just get home from work, all excited to play a couple bgs have some fun, enjoying the unpredictable mess and chaos that's normal in unranked random pvp.
Just like yesterday, and the day before, and before, all you get is an enemy team of organised, prepared, geared, extremely tryhard and motivated players, who will erase your fun and excitement in 5 seconds and camp your graveyard for the rest of the bg.
Why are premades permitted? It makes no sense!
Teams that want to play competitively, organised, strategically, should be playing ranked, no? That's their place. It makes zero sense that premades should be allowed in casual unranked bgs.
I think it would be better for everyone and the fun and health of the game if premade queuing in bgs was eliminated entirely, the only ones who would complain are the antifun bullies who dedicate their whole day to crushing and humilliating the average player, in the only activity that's supposingly targeted for them.

Join a premade or make your own, problem solved.

[Megarichkid]

It’s ok bro, you don’t get anything for winning except for points for gear you don’t need at the 1100 bracket


I don’t know why low rated players are so obsessed with unrated content being moderated by blizzard when it means literally nothing

[HansOlo]

You're the average player that doesn't tryhard, just get home from work, all excited to play a couple bgs have some fun, enjoying the unpredictable mess and chaos that's normal in unranked random pvp.
Just like yesterday, and the day before, and before, all you get is an enemy team of organised, prepared, geared, extremely tryhard and motivated players, who will erase your fun and excitement in 5 seconds and camp your graveyard for the rest of the bg.
Why are premades permitted? It makes no sense!
Teams that want to play competitively, organised, strategically, should be playing ranked, no? That's their place. It makes zero sense that premades should be allowed in casual unranked bgs.
I think it would be better for everyone and the fun and health of the game if premade queuing in bgs was eliminated entirely, the only ones who would complain are the antifun bullies who dedicate their whole day to crushing and humilliating the average player, in the only activity that's supposingly targeted for them.

Here is the multi billion dollar company question:


Who puts most the effort AND money in this game:

A) The dude who wants to do clueless and pointless PvP for 30-60min - with absolute no clear goal(in a competetive game)? You call this guy "the average" dude.
B) The extremely sweaty dude who farms honor, because they have already more than 45K achievement points?

Remember the rule - 20% is paying more than 80% of the customers.

It won't be "fixed" - you are simple not loyal(ironically, these premades are). Nobody cares about you and Blizzard should NOT put effort in the 80%.

The clear answer is B.