Amani trolls as allied race in Midnight

[TBM X]

Would be possible if Blizzard decides to totally get rid of factions as a gameplay feature (which is what they're slowly doing)

It's a welcoming change. The factions is a huge limitation that restricts players' ability to do content. Getting rid of the factions will open up the gate and let players do content with other players that was previously not doable due to factions. Let the players pledge their allegiance to either factions.

[Z3ROR]

So you guys are gonna open a thread about a potential allied race and not even share what kind of Racial Traits, Custom options or Mounts you'd be excited about ??

Because this is what I would like to see for the Amani / Forest Trolls :

Their racial Mount : Another flavor of Amani bear

Some Racial ideas :

• An Eye for an Eye : Enemies who are currently attacking you will take more damage from you.
• Too Angry to Die : Passive regeneration that goes harder when health gets lower.
• Warding Voodoo : Temporary bonus to magic damage reduction.
• Dire Rage : Berzerk that turns you into a Dire Troll, for bonus Versatility and max HP. We've been sleeping on Dire Trolls for too long !
• Vengeance for Zul'jin ! : Bonus damage to Humanoids. Because Zul'jin really hates you all.

What they bring to the custom game : Moss patterns over the skin, Bulkier bodytype at least for male, Warpaints and Bone jewelry of their own

Some bonus from their renown : A Lynx mount with troll armor and ornaments. A Dragonhawk mount with the colors of Jan'alai. An Eagle mount, since we apparently couldn't count on the High Mountain to give us that. Feathered Raptors as colorful as the Blood elves Hawkstriders.

Supporting this.

They also can use an expanded/updated version of the current Zul'Aman raid zone as starter zone. Your journey starts right after the 2nd time we wiped Zul'Aman and then learn as a new troll about the events of the void/xalatath etc..

[Dezolacer]

So you guys are gonna open a thread about a potential allied race and not even share what kind of Racial Traits, Custom options or Mounts you'd be excited about ??

Because this is what I would like to see for the Amani / Forest Trolls :

Their racial Mount : Another flavor of Amani bear

Some Racial ideas :

• An Eye for an Eye : Enemies who are currently attacking you will take more damage from you.
• Too Angry to Die : Passive regeneration that goes harder when health gets lower.
• Warding Voodoo : Temporary bonus to magic damage reduction.
• Dire Rage : Berzerk that turns you into a Dire Troll, for bonus Versatility and max HP. We've been sleeping on Dire Trolls for too long !
• Vengeance for Zul'jin ! : Bonus damage to Humanoids. Because Zul'jin really hates you all.

What they bring to the custom game : Moss patterns over the skin, Bulkier bodytype at least for male, Warpaints and Bone jewelry of their own

Some bonus from their renown : A Lynx mount with troll armor and ornaments. A Dragonhawk mount with the colors of Jan'alai. An Eagle mount, since we apparently couldn't count on the High Mountain to give us that. Feathered Raptors as colorful as the Blood elves Hawkstriders.

Im not even gonna mention the fact that they can shapeshift into half God animals. Imagine how cool their druids would be.

[DatToffer]

Supporting this.

They also can use an expanded/updated version of the current Zul'Aman twid zone as starter zone. Your journey starts right after the 2nd time we wiped Zul'Aman and then learn as a new troll about the events of the void/xalatath etc..

Oh fuck that would be so good actually. And also learn about the amani feats in the Aqir wars !

Im not even gonna mention the fact that they can shapeshift into half God animals. Imagine how cool their druids would be.

Animal heads as Transmog when ?? We've got helmet transmo that entirely replace the head, including an animated skull for DK, it's time to go beyond !

[Lolites]

You mean the same Zandalari that helped them organize them during the Aqir war?
Or the Zandalari that helped them during the Troll wars against quel'thalas?

or the ones who send them reinfocements during cata

[Maljinwo]

or the ones who send them reinfocements during cata

I left them out as it was not the Zandalari Empire itself but Zul's cronies

[Z3ROR]

Im not even gonna mention the fact that they can shapeshift into half God animals. Imagine how cool their druids would be.

Yes, or the shaman forms.

I think Amani Trolls could be a cool allied race for Alliance. Joining them as an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. This could give Alliance extra an druid or shaman race/class combination, which they have less then Horde.
And let's go wild by adding what's left of the Scarlet Crusade to the Horde in the context of redemption and reconstruction Lordaeron.

[Schwert]

Oh, there's a reason for them to touch the theme.
Finally get rid of the Amani.

They're enemies to the Horde and Alliance. Blood Elves are Horde.
Enough with the "everybody can be forgiven" and "everybody's friends now" garbage.

Sometimes enemy groups can remain enemy groups. They don't need to be redeemed.

It's a welcoming change. The factions is a huge limitation that restricts players' ability to do content. Getting rid of the factions will open up the gate and let players do content with other players that was previously not doable due to factions. Let the players pledge their allegiance to either factions.

Stop playing games where factions are a core theme if you don't like factions.
They let us do most content cross faction, and that's all that was needed.

[FossilFree]

I'd say make them neutral. If Horde can now play dwarves, then Alliance should be able to play a troll.

[Amnaught]

I don't think this will be possible. Amani Trolls are rival to the Zanadari trolls and often fought each other for land and power, and compared to Zanadri, Amani trolls have less significance and presence. It would be weird to have Amani Trolls as an allied race in the same category with the Zanadari trolls.

It would be weird to have Void Elves and Darkfallen and Man'ari in Stormwind but here we are lol.

Don't forget Dark Iron Dwarves were at war with the Alliance before BfA.

Also, Darkspear and Zandalari trolls historically hated each other. Things change.

[DatToffer]

Oh, there's a reason for them to touch the theme.
Finally get rid of the Amani.

They're enemies to the Horde and Alliance. Blood Elves are Horde.
Enough with the "everybody can be forgiven" and "everybody's friends now" garbage.

Sometimes enemy groups can remain enemy groups. They don't need to be redeemed.

Okay but we can't let elves unredeemed from their crimes against the amani tribe.

I'd say make them neutral. If Horde can now play dwarves, then Alliance should be able to play a troll.

I was very much against the Earthen joining the Horde because they really don't have the vibe. But those Earthen are... Pretty much untainted vibe wise. They are very dwarfy, but they also are very blank relation wise.

Amani though have bad blood with both the Horde and the Alliance AND they have absolutely no vibe with the Alliance. I don't see them here at all and I don't really know how many years and what kind of events it would take to make it feel right. I remember it took years for people to finally accept the blood elves as part of the Horde and the most pivoting point was there involvement in MoP. The inclusion of the blood elves was a shitty marketing decision that was treated progressively within the story. I'm not sure we'll have that kind of care in this new age of writing just a cast of main characters.

[Dezolacer]

Yes, or the shaman forms.

I think Amani Trolls could be a cool allied race for Alliance. Joining them as an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. This could give Alliance extra an druid or shaman race/class combination, which they have less then Horde.
And let's go wild by adding what's left of the Scarlet Crusade to the Horde in the context of redemption and reconstruction Lordaeron.

That's the delusional level of cope that only highest ranks of alliance peasants can achieve. Horde contains only one race that Amani can't stand, Alliance is basically consists of them lol.

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I'd say make them neutral. If Horde can now play dwarves, then Alliance should be able to play a troll.

I'd say take back your dwarfs nobody asked for and get blood elfs on top of them in exchange for Amani lol. Sorry but mean green is too cool for alliance and you know it

[Z3ROR]

That's the delusional level of cope that only highest ranks of alliance peasants can achieve. Horde contains only one race that Amani can't stand, Alliance is basically consists of them lol.

We don't know much about what happened between Amani and Alliance after the plague and Zul'jin/Daakara defeats. Like the unification of elven/troll could bring new alliances in play for the Amani. So literally everything can happen at this point.

[baskev]

Since the events of Midnight will be happening in Quel'Thalas I think there is no reason for Blizzard to not touch the troll theme. They've been living there forever and afaik has not gone anywhere. Lore wise I assume the most amani thing they could do is to wait for some bad events to happen and strike the elves once again, but since rainbow and friendship is a thing rn in WoW the most reasonable thing to do would be to talk them into joining The Horde. Good reference of how they should look like would be Zul'jin from HotS. Honestly there is no reason for Zul'Aman 2.0 to not happen.

as a allied race....yeah could work. But as a alliance player ( also play horde, but mostly alliance) i would be really pissed. We have wanted wildhammer dwarfs etc as allied race. If i see a horde get a other of their wanted list. I would go mad. Like high elves, highborne, vrykul, wildhammer dwarfs etc .
But lets put the unfairness aside.

It could work, and would be fun. But i do think they would need a bigger story. and a hero or something to make them matter. instead of being just a for looks race.

and what would the alliance get?

[Rhlor]

Since the events of Midnight will be happening in Quel'Thalas I think there is no reason for Blizzard to not touch the troll theme. They've been living there forever and afaik has not gone anywhere. Lore wise I assume the most amani thing they could do is to wait for some bad events to happen and strike the elves once again, but since rainbow and friendship is a thing rn in WoW the most reasonable thing to do would be to talk them into joining The Horde. Good reference of how they should look like would be Zul'jin from HotS. Honestly there is no reason for Zul'Aman 2.0 to not happen.

Amani vs. Thalassian is iconic.

I think they'll fall into the Void, and we'll see Void Trolls.

Revantsuk Forest Trolls are already part of the Horde and could be an Allied Race.

[Dvalin]

Amani vs. Thalassian is iconic.

I think they'll fall into the Void, and we'll see Void Trolls.

Revantsuk Forest Trolls are already part of the Horde and could be an Allied Race.

To bring some nuance to your point: I doubt a whole potential Amani zone would be Void-themed, because of theme-fatigue. We've already seen multiple important characters submit themselves to Xalatath in the War Within (the High Speaker, those Arathi cultists, Ansurek...), her doing this again and again would be a bit boring and predictable. And expansions are always in need of secondary/tertiary enemies.

So, I can see the following happening:
- Some Amani cultists are trying to raise Kithix (or into other Void-related shenanigans).
- Some Amani warlords are hostile, but others are open to reason, after decades of conflict and bloodshed.
- Even the Zandalari or, heck, Vol'jin in his Loa-form, could be incorporated into this plot.
- This is in line with more recent design-philosophies, with there generally being a 'good' sub-faction in most hostile zones, rebelling against an antagonistic majority.
- This would also limit potential 'Void-fatigue', which we saw earlier with expansions like end of MoP/WoD (Orc-fatigue) and end of WoD/Legion (Fel-fatigue).
- Blizzard always tries to give each zone an unique aeathetic compared to the rest, for variety's sake, and implement multiple unique biomes/settings within each of these zones.

Lots of potentials here, but eager to find out what the result will be!

[Lolites]

I left them out as it was not the Zandalari Empire itself but Zul's cronies

perhaps, but its not like that was the reason for the schizm
plus empire had change of leadership and joined horde since, so even if rastakhan wasnt friendly with amani might be completely different now

[Lecadre]

There are, and it's all the darkspear trolls, with the same posture, features, skeleton rig. When given a melon for a birthday just pretend this is a soccer ball you know.

those large /bulky trolls you see in dungeons are not the regular amani trolls, they are outliers and sometimes supposedly enchanted by the loa to be like that, if you go to zul'aman you'll also see regular amani troll citizens and they look no different than darkspear, just more green (which you can customize already), also theres no point showing heroes of the storm models, its a different game and everyone is using different models there, in wow zul'jin looked like a regular troll but bigger and more muscular (and he was a boss so thats normal)

[Mecheon]

those large /bulky trolls you see in dungeons are not the regular amani trolls, they are outliers and sometimes supposedly enchanted by the loa to be like that, if you go to zul'aman you'll also see regular amani troll citizens and they look no different than darkspear, just more green (which you can customize already), also theres no point showing heroes of the storm models, its a different game and everyone is using different models there, in wow zul'jin looked like a regular troll but bigger and more muscular (and he was a boss so thats normal)

No, you're thinking Dire Trolls

Amani use a bulkier model. Its not the bulkiest model, but they're appreciably bulkier than Darkspear men. You can just go to Zandalar and see them

You also can't customise them green. They have a teal option but it is nowhere near forest troll green. You can't even get the forest troll green on the women and they just use the same model (forest troll women absolutely need a bulkier model as well)

EDIT: I got on my priest and I went over just to Zandalar to prove it. You cannot pick this skin colour option, nor are jungle trolls as bulky as the man in this picture

[Soeroah]

I could see a void level number of Amani defect after growing disillusioned with the tribe after Zul'jin and the attempt to take over in Cataclysm, but I doubt we'll see the majority want to join the Horde again. More likely most will go with Xal'atath to 'retake' their lands, allowing her to get to the Sunwell, and we'll deal with a relatively small number that is sick of thousands of years of war and just wants to live on their land more peacefully.