Amani trolls as allied race in Midnight

[Zerora]

Found an old post. Maybe this can be used for this:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ds-%2820-25%29

[Dezolacer]

I could see a void level number of Amani defect after growing disillusioned with the tribe after Zul'jin and the attempt to take over in Cataclysm, but I doubt we'll see the majority want to join the Horde again. More likely most will go with Xal'atath to 'retake' their lands, allowing her to get to the Sunwell, and we'll deal with a relatively small number that is sick of thousands of years of war and just wants to live on their land more peacefully.

Would've been much more funny if Xal'atath came to them with some kind of an offer or a deal and they would go ape shit at her not understanding who she really is only seeing her as an elf.
Or even more funnier would be if she would struck some kind of a deal with them in exchange for bringing Zul'Jin back to life (I've seen his spirit in Shadowlands) but Zul'Jin wasn't having any of that deals with "elfs" shit after coming back to life lol.

[Rhlor]

To bring some nuance to your point: I doubt a whole potential Amani zone would be Void-themed, because of theme-fatigue. We've already seen multiple important characters submit themselves to Xalatath in the War Within (the High Speaker, those Arathi cultists, Ansurek...), her doing this again and again would be a bit boring and predictable. And expansions are always in need of secondary/tertiary enemies.

So, I can see the following happening:
- Some Amani cultists are trying to raise Kithix (or into other Void-related shenanigans).
- Some Amani warlords are hostile, but others are open to reason, after decades of conflict and bloodshed.
- Even the Zandalari or, heck, Vol'jin in his Loa-form, could be incorporated into this plot.
- This is in line with more recent design-philosophies, with there generally being a 'good' sub-faction in most hostile zones, rebelling against an antagonistic majority.
- This would also limit potential 'Void-fatigue', which we saw earlier with expansions like end of MoP/WoD (Orc-fatigue) and end of WoD/Legion (Fel-fatigue).
- Blizzard always tries to give each zone an unique aeathetic compared to the rest, for variety's sake, and implement multiple unique biomes/settings within each of these zones.

Lots of potentials here, but eager to find out what the result will be!

It's supposed to be a very void-centric expa. Khitix may be the final raid boss of the first patch.
There may be a few Amani who fight against the Void Trolls. but I would like to see more about revantusk

[Dvalin]

It's supposed to be a very void-centric expa. Khitix may be the final raid boss of the first patch.
There may be a few Amani who fight against the Void Trolls. but I would like to see more about revantusk

The Void being the central 'bad-guy' doesn't mean every zone has to be about them/be all purple-y. Even the Broken Isles had a lot variety in terms of environs. The art-team will most likely keep creating a variety of biomes, to not create a feeling of 'fatigue'. And Kithix being the final raid boss of the first patch is heavy speculation, 'cause we don't even know if he'll be incorporated in the expansion at all (though it's somewhat likely, Blizzard likes old lore threads). But his ultimate role? No way to tell.

Anyway, we need our secondary/tertiary enemies besides the Void. I hope you see that, as well. Just like with any expansion.

[Mecheon]

Anyway, we need our secondary/tertiary enemies besides the Void. I hope you see that, as well. Just like with any expansion.

Just the same though, we do need our inevitable 4 rep factions, and them all being 'elf' is a bad look, especially when the Amani got a history of fighting the void to the point that, they settled where they did because they just got done killing Kith'ix and burying him under what is now Zul'aman

[Urti]

Honestly, if we are heading towards some kind of climax in the WoW story, even if not "the end" exactly, I say kick out the jams and let us play 'em all. Swoll trolls? Sure. Ogres? Abso-f&%ing-lutely. Throw everything onto the table; winged hosen, nagas, murlocs, centaurs, ethereals, all of them. If it can talk and swing a stick, roll it up.

[X59]

Should Void Trolls be a thing in Midnight, I would prefer if they were a Vilebranch thing. They were stated to be a "depraved lot" in Vanilla and I image they could have become worse after losing Jintha'alor back in Cataclysm.

[Dvalin]

Just the same though, we do need our inevitable 4 rep factions, and them all being 'elf' is a bad look, especially when the Amani got a history of fighting the void to the point that, they settled where they did because they just got done killing Kith'ix and burying him under what is now Zul'aman

Definitely! As I mentioned in an earlier post, I don't see us killing all Amani or anything like that. Blizzard has moved away from such tropes. We generally side with certain subfactions against a corrupt/evil ruler nowadays. So, I can definitely see some Amani warbands burying the hatchets and siding with us. Maybe some involvement from Vol'jin (as Loa), as well.

[DatToffer]

Found an old post. Maybe this can be used for this:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ds-%2820-25%29

A Blood and High elves neutral faction, would be funny since Midnight is about reuniting the elves. I wonder if the OP is still active here.

[Al Gorefiend]

Honestly, if we are heading towards some kind of climax in the WoW story, even if not "the end" exactly, I say kick out the jams and let us play 'em all. Swoll trolls? Sure. Ogres? Abso-f&%ing-lutely. Throw everything onto the table; winged hosen, nagas, murlocs, centaurs, ethereals, all of them. If it can talk and swing a stick, roll it up.

Finally someone talking with some actual god damn logic. The story has already gone off the rails, let's just have fun with it now. Space pirate laser battles and giant mechazord fights over Stormwind and I'm not even being sarcastic.
Shadowlands killed it. All of it, let's just be silly now.

Like if we have a raid boss who is threatening to destroy the world with his army of mind controlled super chickens.. like okay bet, let's kill this bitch.

[Zerora]

Just the same though, we do need our inevitable 4 rep factions, and them all being 'elf' is a bad look, especially when the Amani got a history of fighting the void to the point that, they settled where they did because they just got done killing Kith'ix and burying him under what is now Zul'aman

Let me do a prediction of the four reps:
1. Silvermoon/Sunwell related faction
2. Amani Trolls or an emissary of the Amani trolls might be one
3. Argent Dawn as well.
4. Gilneas (Alliance) / Undercity/Lordaeron (Horde)

[Dvalin]

Let me do a prediction of the four reps:
1. Silvermoon/Sunwell related faction
2. Amani Trolls or an emissary of the Amani trolls might be one
3. Argent Dawn as well.
4. Gilneas (Alliance) / Undercity/Lordaeron (Horde)

You're really going all-in with that whole-of-Lordaeron-revamp, no? Because nothing points in that direction. It will be a Quel'thalas sub-contintent the size of Dragon Isles / Khaz Algar.

Anyway, I agree that the first two faction-ideas are very likely. I can see some kind of Farstrider faction for the Ghostlands, too. Expeditionary, and consisting of multiple former High-Elf factions.

[Alanar]

The Void being the central 'bad-guy' doesn't mean every zone has to be about them/be all purple-y. Even the Broken Isles had a lot variety in terms of environs. The art-team will most likely keep creating a variety of biomes, to not create a feeling of 'fatigue'. And Kithix being the final raid boss of the first patch is heavy speculation, 'cause we don't even know if he'll be incorporated in the expansion at all (though it's somewhat likely, Blizzard likes old lore threads). But his ultimate role? No way to tell.

Anyway, we need our secondary/tertiary enemies besides the Void. I hope you see that, as well. Just like with any expansion.

We have always had patches that include secondary storylines or simply distract us from the main thing.

The amani zone could very well be its story on its own and at the end have a hint towards the next stuff. Its always been like this. Idk why any one would think everything is about the void. Like you said fatigue kicks in very soon, its already happening tbh.

[Zerora]

You're really going all-in with that whole-of-Lordaeron-revamp, no? Because nothing points in that direction.

Yes i'm all in and all for a Lordaeron + Qual'Thalas zones. Nothing points in that direction, but nothing also points into the direction that it is only about Qual'Thalas. Chris Metzen only said on BlizzCon that we will return to Qual'Thalas. So we know that Qual'Thalas is a big part of the expansion. But such an expansion would be boring if that were the only topic/region of the expansion. So I am sort of convinced we are getting more.

[Khaza-R]

Found an old post. Maybe this can be used for this:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ds-%2820-25%29

Damn, that post was way ahead of its time. I wish we still had creativity like this.

[Zyky]

Knowing Blizz they’ll probably make them a neutral AR lol

Don't you mean: Knowing Blizzard we'll get another elf allied race

[Dvalin]

Yes i'm all in and all for a Lordaeron + Qual'Thalas zones. Nothing points in that direction, but nothing also points into the direction that it is only about Qual'Thalas. Chris Metzen only said on BlizzCon that we will return to Qual'Thalas. So we know that Qual'Thalas is a big part of the expansion. But such an expansion would be boring if that were the only topic/region of the expansion. So I am sort of convinced we are getting more.

He mentioned it as the specific part of the old world we're going to (re)visit. And I also posted that bit from an earlier interview, with citations from the devs talking about upscaling of known areas, so that they feel new, but familiar to us and incorporate exploration/dragonflying and all that.

So, I hope you're prepared for disappointment. Even though you shouldn't be disappointed if we're 'only' getting a high quality version of Quel'thalas, the size and variety of past continents.

[Zerora]

He mentioned it as the specific part of the old world we're going to (re)visit. And I also posted that bit from an earlier interview, with citations from the devs talking about upscaling of known areas, so that they feel new, but familiar to us and incorporate exploration/dragonflying and all that.

So, I hope you're prepared for disappointment. Even though you shouldn't be disappointed if we're 'only' getting a high quality version of Quel'thalas, the size and variety of past continents.

I won't be disappointed. I'll be happy either way. Everything is better than what we have now.
I mean, i still wondered what happened here:

[Dvalin]

I won't be disappointed. I'll be happy either way. Everything is better than what we have now.
I mean, i still wondered what happened here:

Aah, fair enough!

I wouldn't be disappointed about a well-executed Lordaeron-revamp either, I just don't see it happening for Midnight or anytime soon. Really curious how Quel'thalas is going to look, can't wait for its reveal around August/September.

[Zerora]

Aah, fair enough!

I wouldn't be disappointed about a well-executed Lordaeron-revamp either, I just don't see it happening for Midnight or anytime soon. Really curious how Quel'thalas is going to look, can't wait for its reveal around August/September.

I am also very curious what exactly they are going to revamp. I mean, they are not doing the story structure of Gilneas and Undercity without reason and that has not had much result yet. So will Midnight offer that, is the question. So I am also very curious.