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    Watching Max "Close Off" When He Realized Its Not RACE TO BEST ADDONS anymore

    Happy to see Blizzard realized what 99.99% of the people know/want.

    Addons shouldn't destroy raid design.

    If a weakaura can solve a puzzle then we will never have a puzzel boss again.

    Lords of Dread would have been an amazing challenge, not with addons, solved in 3 pulls during the Race To Best Addons.


    I know this will be hard for the race, because they won't be able to rely on weakaura and addons telling them how to play the game.

    Sprocketmonger Lockenstock will be amazing without an addon saying "soak star"....

    Get ready for the best race to world first we've ever had team, Bye Bye Addons, 21st man should be next to go.


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    3rd party addon developers shouldn't be ahead of the class writing down all the answers on a piece of paper before everyone takes the test.
    At the same time, people are just going to Wowhead the fights, in which case it goes back to having to read an entire goddamn essay for siegecrafter blackfuse and paragons and half the wipes become "sorry guys I forgot" which is equally awful for guilds just trying to get through normal.

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    Why are people talking about this like this is whats preventing them from raiding on CE level..?
    "Naww it's the type of shoe that's keeping me from competing in 100 meter sprint"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormbreed View Post
    I know this will be hard for the race, because they won't be able to rely on weakaura and addons telling them how to play the game.
    I don't think we watched the same video.
    They explicitly said addons are not going anywhere UNTIL there is a solution and it's a long journey, not a sudden rugpull.

    You obviously have strong feelings about Race to World First and the connected personalities, which is fine - but making up things just so you can post passive aggressive things about them probably isn't quite the play you intended it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostile View Post
    Why are people talking about this like this is whats preventing them from raiding on CE level..?
    "Naww it's the type of shoe that's keeping me from competing in 100 meter sprint"
    They've really come out of the woord work with this latest announcement haven't they? lol

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    the cope is mentaly unwell levels of deranged,they arent removing addons,they are just making the most popular ones as ingame features,also if you think weak auras is what makes the world first raiders be that good...you are LITERALY mentaly unwell and likely voted for trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    3rd party addon developers shouldn't be ahead of the class writing down all the answers on a piece of paper before everyone takes the test.
    At the same time, people are just going to Wowhead the fights, in which case it goes back to having to read an entire goddamn essay for siegecrafter blackfuse and paragons and half the wipes become "sorry guys I forgot" which is equally awful for guilds just trying to get through normal.
    So no PTR anymore?

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    Max: "Thanks Ion, this seems like a good idea."
    This dude: "D-did you see him blinking "S.O.S." in Moorse Code the whole time? I'm telling you, he's miserable. He hates it! You can see him seething in his chair!"
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    I was playing without boss oriented WAs just fine until Archimonde in HFC Mythic with them beams because it marked them so poorly [just arrows pointing to your linked player, which was messy in a 20man raid] where WA gave a diagram of the lines to avoid standing in other people's beams...

    Blizz slowly learnt to actually make such attacks better telegraphed!

    Been using DBM timers since WotLK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Relapses View Post
    This dude: [I]"D-did you see him blinking "S.O.S." in Moorse Code the whole time?
    He actually blinked "S.O.S" in reverse, that's why we didn't catch it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    3rd party addon developers shouldn't be ahead of the class writing down all the answers on a piece of paper before everyone takes the test.
    At the same time, people are just going to Wowhead the fights, in which case it goes back to having to read an entire goddamn essay for siegecrafter blackfuse and paragons and half the wipes become "sorry guys I forgot" which is equally awful for guilds just trying to get through normal.
    Because that means no PTR, it also goes back to terribly broken raids and dungeons because they've not been tested by anyone. Anyone who has ever done PTR testing knows these things don't ever come out "raid ready". We can't have the cake and eat the cake.

    The only sensible solution is the one Blizzard has taken; 1) building this stuff into the game so everyone has basic level access to the tools and 2) de-escalating the addon wars by changing designs and adding better telegraphing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormbreed View Post
    Bye Bye Addons, 21st man should be next to go.
    They're not getting rid of addons given the amount of non-raid uses they have, and raid teams aren't going to scrap the idea of "Have someone who isn't involved in things so he can look at the overall chaos and help folks"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecheon View Post
    They're not getting rid of addons
    They are, they just not saying it directly. Everyone and their dog are able to see where it's going and how they're testing the waters. They're not getting rid of addons directly YET.
    If you've watched the entire cast with Ion and came to conclusion "Well phew... that was close thanks god muh 3rd party addons have a long live in this game ahead of them" I feel bad for you.
    Stay awhile and listen

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    I am repeating my question.
    Why do people who can't mythic raid even with addons care so much about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezolacer View Post
    They are, they just not saying it directly. Everyone and their dog are able to see where it's going and how they're testing the waters. They're not getting rid of addons directly YET.
    If you've watched the entire cast with Ion and came to conclusion "Well phew... that was close thanks god muh 3rd party addons have a long live in this game ahead of them" I feel bad for you.
    And then folks will complain massively, because for every DBM there's a collection tracker or an RP profile addon that the game can't replicate

    Frankly it is an issue that a lot of WoW's mechanics haven't been easy to read and making them easier to do so helps matters. Don't forget raiding numbers are bad enough they need LFR to be justified, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezolacer View Post
    They are, they just not saying it directly.
    They aren't and they exactly said so...
    40:00 exact mark


    Now shut up with the made up BS please, it's pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostile View Post
    I am repeating my question.
    Why do people who can't mythic raid even with addons care so much about this?
    It's less the folks who can't mythic raid and more the folks who killed 1 mythic boss in their guild and think the only thing keeping them from world first is the fact they don't have weak aura dev

    Most people who don't raid don't really give a shit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterymask View Post
    It's less the folks who can't mythic raid and more the folks who killed 1 mythic boss in their guild and think the only thing keeping them from world first is the fact they don't have weak aura dev

    Most people who don't raid don't really give a shit
    That's fair, I suppose I should have clarified I mean on this forum.
    By the looks of it it's the certain extremely casual posters thinking it's just the addons preventing them from raiding on CE level.
    Same with the rotation helper thing. Certain extremely casual individuals acting like this is the thing that will elevate them to CE level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    They aren't and they exactly said so...
    40:00 exact mark


    Now shut up with the made up BS please, it's pathetic.
    You intentionally misheard literally the next 1 minute? Please tell me if you dumb on purpose or trolling. Implying you quote things out of context I'm pretty safe to assume here that you also hear only stuff you wanna hear. Seek help and don't be a hallucinoid online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecheon View Post
    And then folks will complain massively, because for every DBM there's a collection tracker or an RP profile addon that the game can't replicate

    Frankly it is an issue that a lot of WoW's mechanics haven't been easy to read and making them easier to do so helps matters. Don't forget raiding numbers are bad enough they need LFR to be justified, after all.
    Nothing will happen to cosmetic stuff. Feel free to quote me on that later Im pretty confident on this one. They're appropriating existing popular stuff wa, dbm, damage meters you call it and making it a built-in thing.
    Stay awhile and listen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezolacer View Post
    You intentionally misheard literally the next 1 minute? Please tell me if you dumb on purpose or trolling. Implying you quote things out of context I'm pretty safe to assume here that you also hear only stuff you wanna hear. Seek help and don't be a hallucinoid online.
    That is literally what the context is tho.
    So have you considered "seeking help and not being a hallucinoid online"?

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