Was monk really that bad?

[Zvezdichko]

So today I decided to roll a toon on the beta, and while in 2012 I went with Pandaren Hunter, I decided to test the Monk class to see if I can go with it when it goes live on retail (err... classic, or classictail).

But to put it simply, it's very disappointing. Looks like to me it doesn't deal any damage. Does it get better later - I'm mostly interested in the windwalker spec.

Or, it's just that melee sucks (I never enjoyed melee classes).

Was Monk really that bad? If so, I'll just roll hunter like I did in 2012.

[arkanon]

So today I decided to roll a toon on the beta, and while in 2012 I went with Pandaren Hunter, I decided to test the Monk class to see if I can go with it when it goes live on retail (err... classic, or classictail).

But to put it simply, it's very disappointing. Looks like to me it doesn't deal any damage. Does it get better later - I'm mostly interested in the windwalker spec.

Or, it's just that melee sucks (I never enjoyed melee classes).

Was Monk really that bad? If so, I'll just roll hunter like I did in 2012.

It was top ten DPS. Maybe 7/8. If you don't enjoy it just don't play it, but the output was decent. Not top 5, but not far outside. Soooo top 1/3.

[Holdodlig]

From what I remember, it had a shitty dps during the leveling but became decent later on. They didn't want to bring a new OP class because of how DK's balance became controversial in early WoTLK.

[Zvezdichko]

From what I remember, it had a shitty dps during the leveling but became decent later on. They didn't want to bring a new OP class because of how DK's balance became controversial in early WoTLK.

That solves my dilemma. Pandaren hunter as I was in 2012 will be my future in Classic

[FAILoZOFF]

No, not really, they were damn fun. At first I didn't even care about that class at all, but after fooling around on og mists alfa/beta i went to "try it out" and was hooked ever since.
I played mostly just PvP and there both MW and WW felt really broken at times.

[Rorixis]

I remember that mistweaver did more damage than windwalker early on when you were levelling (because you had infinite mana instead of energy) but once you started hitting some of the passive traits like between 20 and 30 as well as flying serpent kick it became really really fast.

[Chaotic1962]

I mained monk for pretty much all of mists and i had a blast. Dps was good enough, tanking was fun although i remember it being a bit random early on, like you either take no damage or get oneshot.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Monk was fine in MoP.

[Grinning Serpent]

From what I remember, it had a shitty dps during the leveling but became decent later on. They didn't want to bring a new OP class because of how DK's balance became controversial in early WoTLK.

God, Wrath launch patch was such a shitshow. Ret and DKs were *so* overtuned.

[garicasha]

From what I remember, it had a shitty dps during the leveling but became decent later on. They didn't want to bring a new OP class because of how DK's balance became controversial in early WoTLK.

This is the correct answer, they underpowered them a little bit at launch so they weren't the unstoppable gods that DKs were.

[Relapses]

BrM tanks were fucking Gods. My GM back then played one and I do not think there has been a single tank since which has come close to touching the power level of SoO BrM. Vengeance obviously did some heavy lifting there but it was still a crazy strong tank for pretty much the entire expansion.

Here is a related video of said GM carrying our mid 25M to our first Heroic Garry kill.

[Tech614]

BrM tanks were fucking Gods. My GM back then played one and I do not think there has been a single tank since which has come close to touching the power level of SoO BrM. Vengeance obviously did some heavy lifting there but it was still a crazy strong tank for pretty much the entire expansion.

Here is a related video of said GM carrying our mid 25M to our first Heroic Garry kill.

Brewmaster in MoP was strongest in throne of thunder tbh, blood and guardian where better overall in SoO(but brew was still really good and made H25 Garrosh a hell of a lot easier).

Actual strongest brewmaster though was probably season 2 of WoD or season 2/3 of BFA though. Both where pretty absurd and you could play poorly and still be an unkillable god.

[Myradin]

God, Wrath launch patch was such a shitshow. Ret and DKs were *so* overtuned.

I remember being top healer AND drps in Gruul's while being an undergeared ret paladin and not casting a single healing spell (beyond Seal of Light? Whichever one applied the healing debuff).

[pinkz]

So today I decided to roll a toon on the beta, and while in 2012 I went with Pandaren Hunter, I decided to test the Monk class to see if I can go with it when it goes live on retail (err... classic, or classictail).

But to put it simply, it's very disappointing. Looks like to me it doesn't deal any damage. Does it get better later - I'm mostly interested in the windwalker spec.

Or, it's just that melee sucks (I never enjoyed melee classes).

Was Monk really that bad? If so, I'll just roll hunter like I did in 2012.

when blizz rolls classic versions, they are rolled at the last patch which may include changes from prepatch to the next expac

that was one of the reasons that the classic van wow frost mage was so OP. at the start of van MOP it was the MW monk that was god mode, blizz had to do, i believe it was 6 nerfs over patches and hot fixes and still was not truly addressed until the last patch, Venruki would be a player to ask on WW monk as he played that spec during MOP, he would know what the class was like at the end of MOP

speaking of the end of MOP that is when the subterfuge rogue was ganked by bliizz and ferals became rather OP to set up for WOD, what blizz does for MOP classic will be interesting, you more than likely will not experience any spec or class as it was for the majority of MOP.

[FAILoZOFF]

I remember being top healer AND drps in Gruul's while being an undergeared ret paladin and not casting a single healing spell (beyond Seal of Light? Whichever one applied the healing debuff).

Cool, what does it have to do with it "being op" tho?

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when blizz rolls classic versions, they are rolled at the last patch which may include changes from prepatch to the next expac

that was one of the reasons that the classic van wow frost mage was so OP. at the start of van MOP it was the MW monk that was god mode, blizz had to do, i believe it was 6 nerfs over patches and hot fixes and still was not truly addressed until the last patch, Venruki would be a player to ask on WW monk as he played that spec during MOP, he would know what the class was like at the end of MOP

I'd love to go though MoP patch notes, could be interesting read XD

[kubuntu]

Fore 5.4 WW and MW monk are mediocer at best, BrM is best tank early on fore T14 and T15 , and have GOD mode in challenge modes, but is overtaken by almost everyother tanks in SoO( survi is good but all other tanks can do more DPS at that point exept bosses where you can do Xuen trick)

WW is alsow super OP in 2v2 arenas but average in other formats



You can get all Patch notes on WoWpedia but it lasck some of Hotfixes

overal classes like Hunters,Dk or warriors were constantly buffed cos they scaled poorly so they will be super strong at start, and spec like Fire mage or Prot paladin were constantly nerfed so they wont bee good until SoO

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I vividly remember during one of the MoP rated PvP seasons that I tried to do the 100 3v3 arena wins to get the Vicious Saddle mount, and that Fistweaver enemies were very threatening in 3v3 arenas. They could hurt as much as they could heal and were too slippery, even as a warrior with charge and heroic leap and shockwave. It was like fighting against three DPS but the third DPS can dash away and heal if needed and then start hitting you again.

[monkfailz]

As a windwalker monk main, I have to post in here lol.
I think monks starting out in Mists of Pandaria weren't really good at the start, during the leveling, etc.
I think monks are so polished now as of the current expansion The War Within.
Monks are doing incredible dps in both mythic+ and raids.
Monks can hold their own in any situation. They have incredbile CC with Paralysis, Leg Sweep, and Ring of Peace.
And windwalker monk is a blast to play in PVP too!
Windwalker monk is an S tier arena class and I think will remain forever an S tier arena class.