Join Faerin in the Rise of the Red Dawn Story Campaign

[Ghostile]

No, it's not just her. Alleria is more fem-lesbian. Especially with the cinematics with Xal'a-feet. The male vs female gaze is a thing. She's more appealing to the female gaze now. Just compare her WC2 picture to TWW cinematics. Faerin is haggard. So you have the two major female protagonists made anything but classically attractive. At a certain point, it feels censuring.

Have you considered going outside instead of this fucked up hobby of creating imaginary development stories for characters and getting upset about it?

[En Sabah Nur]

Back in the old days of games, Black characters were in the right role

Gonna try and assume you're not actually playing a parody character and just ask... what were the "right" roles that black characters were in "back in the old days of games"?

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Have you considered going outside instead of this fucked up hobby of creating imaginary development stories for characters and getting upset about it?

Do you really think people like this ever actually go outside and interact with people? Several of them come across as if all they do is watch right wing outrage slop on YT all day.

[Ereb]

This thread is one nose hair away from flat out talking about the great white replacement theory lmao

[LemonDemonGirl]

No, it's not just her. Alleria is more fem-lesbian. Especially with the cinematics with Xal'a-feet.

How is Alleria a fem-lesbian? She looks more e-girl to me, personally.

She looks to me like an attempt at a Vereesa redesign. The colors bother me lol

[Zers Editor]

It's really strange to see certain posters act as if anyone is obligated to like or dislike specific characters. Or that criticism of a character that happens to qualify as 'diverse' equals 'bigotry'.

In my opinion, Faerin is a terribly boring and obnoxious character. A large part of that comes down to her design, which in itself is rather jarring and lacks in consistency - she looks completely different in artwork compared to how she is depicted in-game, not to mention her soft spoken voice and mannerisms don't really fit her grizzled appearance.

I notice how people on BOTH sides bring attention to that. Either its "her personality in the game does no service to her powerful, imposing design in the artwork/cinematic, no good" or "her ugly and tryhard artwork/cinematic design does no service to her otherwise nice/tolerable/pleasant personality in the game, no good". I'm more on the latter, although I wouldn't go as far as "ugly and tryhard", changing the hairstyle would be enough.

[LordVargK]

Warglaives are pretty stupid to me. They don't function as weapons at all; at least a jousting lance on foot is merely out of place rather than the weapon itself being a completely worthless concept to begin with.

I agree with you on the warglaives part. If I could, I would remove Demonhunters from the game.

[Altmer]

Gonna try and assume you're not actually playing a parody character and just ask... what were the "right" roles that black characters were in "back in the old days of games"?

Example:
Borderlands 2 - Sir Hammerlock: A character with his unique personality, rank between the vault hunters and also an explorer/hunter. This character is not a "token" of "hey, i'm just here because i'm back!".
Diablo 2 LOD - Paladin: The Paladin is a playable character, he is from the western kingdoms.
Starcraft 1 - Samir Duran: a ghost hero unit with an important role in the story.

These are black characters with their unique personality, story and as well, they are not there just to fullfil an agenda of race diversity like Faerin (trying to be a half-elf, handycap knight with childish voice acting and as a token character).

[En Sabah Nur]

So, Faerin has nothing unique about her, and has no importance to the story? Interesting.

[Ashana Darkmoon]

Many of the game's most popular characters are popular in large part due to their sex appeal. Not exclusively so, necessarily, though it certainly helps.

I don't think it's weird at all. I'm gay, for instance, and I would be very happy if the game shifted back to focus on conventionally attractive characters - especially muscular, handsome men - as that is partly what drew me into the setting in the first place.

This is one of those "revealed preferences" that should be super obvious to anyone because it is basic common sense, but for whatever reason it has become cool to deny it and mock anyone who talks about it. I think that's just part of the modern online/social world where everything is a performance. You need to have one stated preference in public (I love conventionally ugly characters! I'm a good person!) while secretly spending $500 a month on skinny hot cosplay girls on onlyfans (your actual revealed preference).

As someone who writes and edits romance books under multiple pen names (some for men, some for women) I always laugh at these conversations. The covers for female targeted books are even more sexy and "offensive" than ones for men most of the time lmao, to say nothing of the content matter! I kid you not, Amazon marketing will let you sell ads for a female-targeted book where the female MC is chain gangbanged by werewolves, but you try to make an ad for a book where a guy has a harem of hot ladies, it will get flagged and blocked.

Anyway, Faerin has barely done anything so I don't really have an opinion on her at all. I like Alleria a lot, but her husband is really getting the shaft with screentime. I think it's a bad choice but I personally don't mind it cuz I'm really sick of Travis's voice in every game lol

[meroes]

This is one of those "revealed preferences" that should be super obvious to anyone because it is basic common sense, but for whatever reason it has become cool to deny it and mock anyone who talks about it. I think that's just part of the modern online/social world where everything is a performance. You need to have one stated preference in public (I love conventionally ugly characters! I'm a good person!) while secretly spending $500 a month on skinny hot cosplay girls on onlyfans (your actual revealed preference).

As someone who writes and edits romance books under multiple pen names (some for men, some for women) I always laugh at these conversations. The covers for female targeted books are even more sexy and "offensive" than ones for men most of the time lmao, to say nothing of the content matter! I kid you not, Amazon marketing will let you sell ads for a female-targeted book where the female MC is chain gangbanged by werewolves, but you try to make an ad for a book where a guy has a harem of hot ladies, it will get flagged and blocked.

Anyway, Faerin has barely done anything so I don't really have an opinion on her at all. I like Alleria a lot, but her husband is really getting the shaft with screentime. I think it's a bad choice but I personally don't mind it cuz I'm really sick of Travis's voice in every game lol

Yep. Just watch anime more popular with women like Apothecary Diaries and everyone is more beautiful and sexual. It's plain as day but you can't talk about it with common sense because of the performative nature online discourse. An example being, male-gaze is now the cool thing to demonize. This isn't saying female-gaze isn't equally important and wasn't depicted as much historically, but people pretend not to see the attractiveness of female-gaze characters while lasering in on anything male-gaze. That said, I just want good character design. Attractiveness is one of the laziest ways to do it, as is Faerin, which was designed by a committee to check literally every box. Give me a non-traditionally attractive, but well-designed character any day. The best fur suits are NOT the attractive ones. But anything inauthentic is also poor design. Faerin wielding a more WoW-fitting weapon, having a voice over that matched her haggardness, having consistent design, and not being as prominent (e.g. don't make her carry the story for the Horde as well) would make her awesome.

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Do you really think people like this ever actually go outside and interact with people?

Says the people with an order of magnitude more posts. I'd be laughing but you two are so blind to the hypocrisy it scares me a little.

[Mojo03]

Ya it was bad. More women are real leaders and men are weak non sense we've been seeing for a while now

Who woulda guessed

Apparently we're just stuck with the same garbage writers forever and story is not a thing worth getting invested in anymore at all

[cateran100]

Do you know that soldiers in the middle ages were actually majority lancers on foot? Heck, even the spartan and the romans were lancers with shields on foot.

Errm, no? The lance is a cavalry weapon...What you refer to (I guess) is the spearmen/pikemen, but that is totally different

[Timester]

Errm, no? The lance is a cavalry weapon...What you refer to (I guess) is the spearmen/pikemen, but that is totally different

Already explained on this same thread, roman auxilia used lancae because it was smaller.

[LordVargK]

Already explained on this same thread, roman auxilia used lancae because it was smaller.

Which shares only the name with the weapon Faerin wears. It's just the same name, but totally different object.