PvP in Mists is legitimately terrible. Why are people lying about it being good?

[Grinning Serpent]

It's a known thing that in every expansion after classic, Blizzard kept adding more and more stuns and roots and other methods of telling people that they couldn't play the game. The design space was limited, and those buttons are really fun in PvE. But it kept getting worse over time, and yet it seems like it's at the worst ever in Mists. So bad that WoD had to make a point of making the game scale way back in terms of how pervasive CC was in PvP.

But you look around and people are swearing up and down that PvP is better than ever in Mists, that it's one of the top three times to really get your brawling on.

Have these people never actually played Mists before? Is it all nostalgia goggles? Because even Cata wasn't this bad with so much instant CC and anti-CC buffs being thrown around everywhere. I'm sure numbers will be better at 90 (although resilience is still going to be too low at 25% I'm sure), but this is just fucking stupid.

How can *anyone* play this and think, yup this is great design?

[Dezolacer]

But you look around and people are swearing up and down that PvP is better than ever in Mists, that it's one of the top three times to really get your brawling on.

People mostly following and adhere to commonly shared opinion when it comes to WoW discussions (specially when it comes to WoWs past days) You don't want to be a black sheep in the argument.

Yes it is terrible and it is a button bloat as well. WoD buttons were a relief.

[LordVargK]

Maybe they compare MoP PvP with retail rather than other classic iterations.

[Porkchopper]

Have these people never actually played Mists before? Is it all nostalgia goggles? Because even Cata wasn't this bad with so much instant CC and anti-CC buffs being thrown around everywhere. I'm sure numbers will be better at 90 (although resilience is still going to be too low at 25% I'm sure), but this is just fucking stupid.

I'm sure numbers will be better at 90 (although resilience is still going to be too low at 25% I'm sure), but this is just fucking stupid.

I’m assuming from this that you are playing the pre-patch. You have to understand that the game is balanced around lvl 90 right now. I cannot stress enough how non-indicative the current state is. Try the beta. It’s a world of difference. No offense, but if my assumption is true and you’re pvping at lvl 85, it is akin to claiming lvl 19 or 70 pvp is a crock of shit. It is. That’s why some people like doing it.

In MoP, kits are bloated with CDs and instant CCs. It feels better at 90 with gear. Does not change this fact. What you say is true. Judge it at lvl 90 with gear.

This is a wild nostalgia ride for me. 13 years ago, around this time (august-septemberish?) the pre-patch hit. We had a small squish, health pools were deflated. Yet our dmg numbers went up. If someone caught me without a trinket? I was dead in three 30-40k crits. I got your trinket? Stunlocked while spamming 40k ambushes and a 35k evisc through resi. Times were CRAZY and duels were fun. Some people thought this was the future of the game. This was the apocalypse. Pvp was officially dead. But get your head screwed back on right. It is the pre-patch. Every pre-patch is a short window with insane class performance because the game does not make sense yet.

If your post is based on beta, then I am sorry. You just don’t like MoP pvp. Maybe you would with a bit more knowledge and experience, but it might not be worth the effort. Do things you like, but please, do not ever judge the game on the pre-patch. Pre-patch is a madhouse carnival, every single time.

[Grinning Serpent]

People mostly following and adhere to commonly shared opinion when it comes to WoW discussions (specially when it comes to WoWs past days) You don't want to be a black sheep in the argument.

Yes it is terrible and it is a button bloat as well. WoD buttons were a relief.

Yeah like I'm looking at my Warrior and it's kind of a pain to find comfortable places for all of the buttons. Warrior didn't really gain any new buttons but it did lose the fact that previously some buttons were restricted to specific stances so you could have one button be two or sometimes even three (or more, with macros) different abilities.

God. Cata felt like the final form of the original design concepts started with TBC and Wrath (vanilla being its own thing in terms of design being all over the fucking place) while Mists feels like a shitty beta for the more refined versions of classes we'd get in WoD, Legion, and beyond.

I'm really hoping I can find a groove in Mists where I can enjoy it, because Pandaria is legitimately my favorite expansion area and it's so much fun (and the few times I've returned to retail it's always where I go to level), but it's like my brain is poisoned by the knowledge that all of these design concepts would get *so much better* in the next expansion or in Legion. I know backporting those changes would be way too much, but... *man.*

[Caprias]

<-Obligatory pvp has never been good in this game and there is a reason most of the pvp community wandered of to play League since wotlk comment->

[Hotmail]

Mists attracted a lot of furry tourists who have no idea what they're talking about; they're somehow nostalgic for a very bleak period in WoW's history.

PvP in Cata and Mists was garbage and didn't recover until WoD, when Blizzard actually tried to put some effort into the PvP scene and market it a bit better.

[SpaceMistakes]

It's a known thing that in every expansion after classic, Blizzard kept adding more and more stuns and roots and other methods of telling people that they couldn't play the game. The design space was limited, and those buttons are really fun in PvE. But it kept getting worse over time, and yet it seems like it's at the worst ever in Mists. So bad that WoD had to make a point of making the game scale way back in terms of how pervasive CC was in PvP.

But you look around and people are swearing up and down that PvP is better than ever in Mists, that it's one of the top three times to really get your brawling on.

Have these people never actually played Mists before? Is it all nostalgia goggles? Because even Cata wasn't this bad with so much instant CC and anti-CC buffs being thrown around everywhere. I'm sure numbers will be better at 90 (although resilience is still going to be too low at 25% I'm sure), but this is just fucking stupid.

How can *anyone* play this and think, yup this is great design?

Do you not understand how an opinion works? Never mind, not sure why I'm asking when you clearly don't.

[deathshere]

never should have went past WOTLK.

[FAILoZOFF]

So far I had a lot more fun in WotLK and Cata PvP. MoP is a bit too gimmicky, just wish WotLK and Cata didn't force you to do PvE ;3

[mbit2]

"im losing and dont want to blame myself so game bad" the thread
MoP fans i know are all 2.2k+ players aka top ~25% of playerbase

[Beet]

"im losing and dont want to blame myself so game bad" the thread
MoP fans i know are all 2.2k+ players aka top ~25% of playerbase

Or you know, they have actual issues they dislike and pointed it out here? You sound upset that people shit on your favorite expansion. That's totally great that you've got some super duper amazing fans of MoP who totally rock and their scores are just super badass. It doesn't change anything that was posted in this thread. At all.

I do appreciate you though. I haven't seen a post like this since people actually cared about WoW PvP which was like fifteen years ago at this point. Good memories of the people taking offense and blaming "bad pvpers" for their opinions.

[Just Passing through]

Or you know, they have actual issues they dislike and pointed it out here?

Well, OP accuses people who like MoP pvp of "lying" or not having played - that is different fom having (actual) issues and pointing them out /shrug.

[mbit2]

Or you know, they have actual issues they dislike and pointed it out here? You sound upset that people shit on your favorite expansion. That's totally great that you've got some super duper amazing fans of MoP who totally rock and their scores are just super badass. It doesn't change anything that was posted in this thread. At all.

I do appreciate you though. I haven't seen a post like this since people actually cared about WoW PvP which was like fifteen years ago at this point. Good memories of the people taking offense and blaming "bad pvpers" for their opinions.

More like you got offended cause you felt called out.
There are no legit concerns, only "im getting filtered and demand the game to cater to me" which is exactly what is happening with retail.
Midnight is pruning again to cater to bad players so be happy you are in the majority and they care about you.

[Beet]

Well, OP accuses people who like MoP pvp of "lying" or not having played - that is different fom having (actual) issues and pointing them out /shrug.

Yeah but he did do just that in the post itself if you read beyond the title lol. You're not wrong on the silly title though for sure. He's hyperbolic but his reason for frustration was quite clear. And what is comical is that his complaints are the same complaints everyone had about MoP in its heyday.

More like you got offended cause you felt called out.
There are no legit concerns, only "im getting filtered and demand the game to cater to me" which is exactly what is happening with retail.
Midnight is pruning again to cater to bad players so be happy you are in the majority and they care about you.

...? I got called out and offended? I didn't even post here? Do you see how my name hadn't posted in this thread until the post quoting you? I'm not the OP. Names are advanced I know. And your barb about Midnight sounds like something I used to say too as a kid. Then I realized this is an MMO and expecting competitive intense skill based gameplay is like competition in the special olympics. No one watches it for that. No one plays WoW for that. They kind of stopped that when League of Legends came out and the PvP scene of WoW lost over half of their players to it within the first year (Holinka's claim). You're gonna be a lot happier when you give up on trying to show you're superior to those big ol dumb casual players. Because you're not.