ELECTION 2023! Early Referendum on MAGA Shutdown?

[s_bushido]

Looking at the various exit polls, and cost of living and healthcare concerns dominated. Immigration and crime are at the bottom of the polls. GOP may need to rethink their strategy.

Wait...you mean sending out masked thugs to brutalize the populace and forcing people to starve/pay more for everything while you throw swanky parties and tear down the White House to build a gaudy mess that only the rich will get to see the inside of isn't a winning strategy? #surprisedpikachu

[Rasulis]

News sites aren't showing numbers, but are still reporting that Prop 50 has passed.

With 38% of the votes in, it is 61.8 vs. 38.2 for "yes".

Live Results: California 2025 election on Proposition 50

Imperial County voted for Trump in 2024. Looks like the pendulum swing hard the other way. 60.5 vs. 39.5 for "yes".

The gap just got larger 66 to 34.

50 is not doing too bad in GOP stronghold counties. With 63% in, 76 vs. 24 for "no" in Modoc.

[Fugus]

With 38% of the votes in, it is 61.8 vs. 38.2 for "yes".

Live Results: California 2025 election on Proposition 50

Part of me wonders just how people could be stupid enough to vote against this but then I have to remember which party those same people probably support and that California still has more republicans than many startes have citizens and would rather hurt their children then their pride.

[s_bushido]

Part of me wonders just how people could be stupid enough to vote against this but then I have to remember which party those same people probably support and that California still has more republicans than many startes have citizens and would rather hurt their children then their pride.

There are more Republican voters in CA than a bunch of bright red states combined.

[Xyonai]

Wait...you mean sending out masked thugs to brutalize the populace and forcing people to starve/pay more for everything while you throw swanky parties and tear down the White House to build a gaudy mess that only the rich will get to see the inside of isn't a winning strategy? #surprisedpikachu

Yeah it's almost like Republicans immediately and unopologetically governing like rapacious dipshits and making things more unaffortable on purpose doesn't appeal to the median voter who only gave them power on a 'Please make shit less expensive' mandate.

This shit's deffinately going to make Trump and Miller work overtime to try and make voting Blue more difficult or illegal, and I'm expecting at least one of these races to get hit with frivolous lawsuits, but I'm hoping against all odds this blowout is a reality check to Congressional Republicans who think that people will keep tolerating them

[Rasulis]

Democrats maintained 5 to 2 majority in PA supreme court.

[s_bushido]

This shit's deffinately going to make Trump and Miller work overtime to try and make voting Blue more difficult or illegal, and I'm expecting at least one of these races to get hit with frivolous lawsuits, but I'm hoping against all odds this blowout is a reality check to Congressional Republicans who think that people will keep tolerating them

I have no idea how they're going to respond to this. In a more sane timeline, I'd expect them to recognize the toxicity of everything Trump and course-correct by telling the little orange bitch to shut up and start negotiating in good faith. Or at least as "good-faith" as their misanthropic worldview allows.

As much as I'm pessimistic about the prospect of future elections being anything resembling democratic, they'd still have to put in a shit-ton of work to disenfranchise *so many* people if this is any indication of the momentum building against them. Assuming they just want to keep ignoring public sentiment in favor of sucking Trump off and hoping the authoritarianism can carry them through.

[fwc577]

I have no idea how they're going to respond to this. In a more sane timeline, I'd expect them to recognize the toxicity of everything Trump and course-correct by telling the little orange bitch to shut up and start negotiating in good faith. Or at least as "good-faith" as their misanthropic worldview allows.

As much as I'm pessimistic about the prospect of future elections being anything resembling democratic, they'd still have to put in a shit-ton of work to disenfranchise *so many* people if this is any indication of the momentum building against them. Assuming they just want to keep ignoring public sentiment in favor of sucking Trump off and hoping the authoritarianism can carry them through.

Shutdown news this week is going to be the true predictor. If by Friday we’re looking at a shutdown deal that extends ACA credits, expect the tone to start shifting hard against Trump from Congressional Republicans because Trump won’t be on the ballot in 2028 other than people looking to rid Congress of Sycophants.

[s_bushido]

Shutdown news this week is going to be the true predictor. If by Friday we’re looking at a shutdown deal that extends ACA credits, expect the tone to start shifting hard against Trump from Congressional Republicans because Trump won’t be on the ballot in 2028 other than people looking to rid Congress of Sycophants.

Yeah, pretty much.

Or, they can just ignore these results as "not even the midterms yet," tell some more lies about how the Evil Demoncrats are still holding them hostage in Congress, and continue kissing the Trump ring while floating more ideas on how to let him run again in 2028. We'll see...

[Fugus]

Yeah, pretty much.

Or, they can just ignore these results as "not even the midterms yet," tell some more lies about how the Evil Demoncrats are still holding them hostage in Congress, and continue kissing the Trump ring while floating more ideas on how to let him run again in 2028. We'll see...

I wonder how they will take it. If they piss off the cult they will lose them and they can’t win without them. But if they cling to them, they lose everyone else which the can’t win without them either.

So they have to try to thread some needle where they distance themselves from Trump without losing his base and no chance of that so long as Trump is still alive. And then they have the chaos if he died before the next election as well.

[fwc577]

I wonder how they will take it. If they piss off the cult they will lose them and they can’t win without them.

Let me stop you right there. The "cult" is gone in 2028. We've seen what happens when Trump isn't on the ballot in 2022 and 2016 (2022 was SUPPOSED to be a bloodbath but Dems retained Senate and narrowly lost the House). In 2020, we saw what happens when the non-cult members (Actual independents, Democrats) are pissed at the state of the country.

2024 was an anomaly for several reasons, the main reason being that Biden shouldn't have run in 2024 and we should've had an open primary.

There is no continuation for Trump as President no matter how much the doomers here try to claim fantastical scenarios for a Trump 3rd term.

[gondrin]

Let me stop you right there. The "cult" is gone in 2028. We've seen what happens when Trump isn't on the ballot in 2022 and 2016 (2022 was SUPPOSED to be a bloodbath but Dems retained Senate and narrowly lost the House). In 2020, we saw what happens when the non-cult members (Actual independents, Democrats) are pissed at the state of the country.

2024 was an anomaly for several reasons, the main reason being that Biden shouldn't have run in 2024 and we should've had an open primary.

There is no continuation for Trump as President no matter how much the doomers here try to claim fantastical scenarios for a Trump 3rd term.

And if Trump were to stay in power by force, there are enough people that would use that force to either actively remove him(and his band of sycophants) or attempt to remove him.

At that point, the nation would be done and gone as we know it. I won't waste energy dooming and glooming about it and just make plans on if it happens. Because it is better to be prepared and not need to be than not be prepared and need to be.

[Milchshake]

This is so fucking funny to me. The past two weeks were punDits were:

• Tut tut mode because some Jones friend said something mean about mistah charles kirk.
• AtlasInsights and Emerson polls saying miyares was inevitable.

Jay Jones leads by ~200,000 votes



The entire twitter and group chat of elite pundits of American society. Who decided Trump winning an election by 1.5% heralded a thousand year reich may have miscalculated a bit.

[gondrin]

So, guess who decided to not take fault for any of this?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...a0867cd8&ei=66

“‘TRUMP WASN’T ON THE BALLOT, AND SHUTDOWN, WERE THE TWO REASONS THAT REPUBLICANS LOST ELECTIONS TONIGHT,’ according to Pollsters,” the president wrote on Truth Social.

[Breccia]

So, guess who decided to not take fault for any of this?

Did Trump just admit Republicans lost because of the shutdown?

[fwc577]

And if Trump were to stay in power by force,

Let me stop you right there. He isn't staying into power "through force" he doesn't have enough support of the army or police to stay in power via force. Stop with the doomerism bullshit. Trump isn't the Cobra Commander here.

[Xyonai]

I have no idea how they're going to respond to this. In a more sane timeline, I'd expect them to recognize the toxicity of everything Trump and course-correct by telling the little orange bitch to shut up and start negotiating in good faith. Or at least as "good-faith" as their misanthropic worldview allows.

As much as I'm pessimistic about the prospect of future elections being anything resembling democratic, they'd still have to put in a shit-ton of work to disenfranchise *so many* people if this is any indication of the momentum building against them. Assuming they just want to keep ignoring public sentiment in favor of sucking Trump off and hoping the authoritarianism can carry them through.

Trump was already facing some schism with the House GOP by wanting them to nuke the fillibuster, I think this is gonna just make that tension worse unless they honestly think if they hold out long enough they can just stubbornly crawl their way into a one-party dictatorship.

Like what is even the Republican plan right now? Just keep coping and pretend that their stupid strategy is gonna keep them in power? (The most likely outcome if I'm being honest).

[gondrin]

Let me stop you right there. He isn't staying into power "through force" he doesn't have enough support of the army or police to stay in power via force. Stop with the doomerism bullshit. Trump isn't the Cobra Commander here.

The problem is that people in his administration are actively purging the ranking members of the military and replacing them with loyalists and sycophants. That is why I said "by force". Because as we are seeing with DHS and ICE, there will be members of the military that absolutely would go along with Trump's bullshit. Not all but there are some.

And that is why I also stated "there are enough people that would use that force to either actively remove him(and his band of sycophants) or attempt to remove him."

[Xyonai]

This is so fucking funny to me. The past two weeks were punDits were:

• Tut tut mode because some Jones friend said something mean about mistah charles kirk.
• AtlasInsights and Emerson polls saying miyares was inevitable.

Jay Jones leads by ~200,000 votes
The entire twitter and group chat of elite pundits of American society. Who decided Trump winning an election by 1.5% heralded a thousand year reich may have miscalculated a bit.

Having seen Jones' texts, I now fully believe that Planter's dumb Nazi tattoos might not even matter if the electorate is this sick and fucking tired of Republicans. But that's a topic for a few months from now and an entirely different thread.

[fwc577]

The problem is that people in his administration are actively purging the ranking members of the military and replacing them with loyalists and sycophants. That is why I said "by force". Because as we are seeing with DHS and ICE, there will be members of the military that absolutely would go along with Trump's bullshit. Not all but there are some.

And that is why I also stated "there are enough people that would use that force to either actively remove him(and his band of sycophants) or attempt to remove him."

You can say this all you want but look at the reception Trump got during Hegseth's little speech. Utter silence from the Generals. Hegseth and sycophants like him can give orders all they want. The people who actually matter, the military brass, they're not going to start an open civil war with the American public.

So stop the doomerism. Time to come back to reality.