ELECTION 2023! Early Referendum on MAGA Shutdown?

[s_bushido]

GOP lost super majority in Mississippi Senate. Is it a big deal? Yep. You need super majority vote to do redistricting in Mississippi. At least for the midterm 2026, Mississippi redistricting is out.

You know what's really going to piss them off: Apparently those seats flipped because those areas were redistricted after the state was ordered to stop violating people's voting rights...

[Rasulis]

You know what's really going to piss them off: Apparently those seats flipped because those areas were redistricted after the state was ordered to stop violating people's voting rights...

Democrats won at least 13 more seats in Virginia House of Delegates. Very close to super majority (64 seats vs. 36 seats). They have not finished counting yet. Getting super majority would bring redistricting in Virginia closer to reality.

[Kaleredar]

Thing is, the economy could be "doing well" because the average American wallet doesn't really matter to it anymore. It's all about the super wealthy playing their numbers games...the suffering of the rest of us plebs is just an asterisk.

You could debatably have said that was the case under Biden (and throughout various points in America’s past under numerous presidents.)

But it is that perception, accurate or not, that drives voters. Voters by and large and for good or for ill care waaaaay more about their pocketbooks than about any social cause or tentpole issue. It’s where Harris failed in 2024 and where the gop have failed here now.

Biden (and by extension Harris) were touting real, existent good metrics but the American people didn’t feel that was the case. Trump is touting fake, nonexistent metrics… and people aren’t believing him. Good Numbers in a disconnected speculative market weren’t enough to keep the train rolling on a scandal-free, competent officiant in the form of Biden/harris, so much so that a once-rejected convicted felon could promise the vaguest hint of economic relief in terms enough people didn’t understand (tariffs) to get swept into office to blight the world with his presence once more.

Trump has turned the American economy down a bad path for the vast majority of Americans and has neither the plan nor the aptitude nor even the care to do anything about it. If he has a hope to remain in power, it’s not going to be through lying so hard to voters (that aren’t his sycophants, before some smartass tries bringing up how “well they won’t care!”) that they just forget about rising inflation and depressed wages and a bad job market, something they’re directly feeling. It would have to come down to pure ratfuckery.

[DarkTZeratul]

GOP lost super majority in Mississippi Senate. Is it a big deal? Yep. You need super majority vote to do redistricting in Mississippi. At least for the midterm 2026, Mississippi redistricting is out.

It's an especially big deal since they've had that super majority for 13 years.

[Milchshake]

Forget christmas came early, its more like an Advent Calendar with progressive treats every day.

Jared Golden: I won’t seek reelection. Here’s why.

Buh bye.
Axios just lost there #1 uncredited "source" for "congressional dems hating on dems" clickbait.

[PhaelixWW]

Also where oh where is our somewhat concerned poster to remark about and back up their claims about how utterly unelectable democrats will always be? I could've sworn they were very adamant about how Dems will never have power again, that the people dislike them, and that Trump's virtuous economic policies will turn voters off the party forever.

I'm still waiting to see those energy price cuts that were supposed to magically offset the tarifflation by which everyone's feeling pinched.

"The economy is BOOMING" he says, despite, you know, evidence of this.

"But... but... the DOW says we're doing great!"

[Breccia]

I'm still waiting to see those energy price cuts that were supposed to magically offset the tarifflation by which everyone's feeling pinched.

Trump was on FOX News *ding* today, or more reasonably FOX News showed him claiming he had a plan to bring grocery costs down.

I saw about 5 seconds of it and know there is no such plan. I'm not even going to bother finding the video/transcript to demonstrate that. For someone who illegally withholding SNAP and also refusing to let grocery stores give SNAP discounts, if he was concerned about starving Americans he had options he would have used before he lost Tuesday's elections for his own party. I am not sure what his options are, except of course removing tariffs, the thing he's telling SCOTUS and the world are needed for National Security Lol, so I don't see that happening.

I am, of course, kidding. It was this right here:



I recommend the 11 minute mark. Just after Trump says gasoline prices are the lowest in two decades-

"They are?"

No they're fucking not. Trump says so right here in this dot-gov site. They were lower during Obama, they were lower during COVID, Trump just flat-out lied.

Anyhow past that, what FOX News said was his plan was "Wal-Mart's Thanksgiving menu".

No, really.

Grocery prices are way down in Walmart. Walmart just announced that the cost of their standard Thanksgiving meal, this is the greatest, the greatest,
they're wonderful. They come out every year with, "how much is the Thanksgiving meal cost compared to last year, right?" And it always goes up, up, up. It's 40% 30% more. It's 25% lower than one year ago. Isn't that great? A big deal. Care about that in. The last...we got the princess here from Saudi Arabia. She's got a lot of cash. Serious cash, and she's a great person. So, she doesn't care about the price of a turkey is down a little bit, you know, just have to worry about...

(befuddled silence)

Since March the price of eggs is down. 85%. Energy. prices are down interest rates are down, Despite the fact that we have a total nincompoop at the Federal Reserve that was recommended by 1 of my real great people, who I never spoke to again. And the cost of the typical new mortgage is down by nearly $3,000 a year. Day by day, we're making America affordable again. It's going to be affordable again.

"I saw that, it's on Wal-Mart.com right now, a meal for ten for $40. Is that really lower than 2024?"

See, that's the thing. FOX News has that, too *ding*

Walmart is offering an "inflation-free Thanksgiving meal" priced at under $7 per person, the company said in an Oct. 17 release. This is lower than last year's meal, Walmart said.

Uh, whoops. Looks like Biden dropped the price, too. It didn't go up every year. Oh, I guess Trump lied. How embarrassing.

The Wal-Mart Thanksgiving meal is already a subject of ridicule, but it's also documented. I found it here easily. Feel free to compare them side by side. I did, and I crossed off everything in 2024 that's missing from 2025.

Whole Frozen Turkey 10 – 16 lb. ($0.88/lb.)
Great Value Sweet Hawaiian Rolls (1 unit – 12oz) Replaced with Great Value Dinner Rolls
Great Value Golden Sweet Whole Kernel Corn (3 units - 15oz)
Ocean Spray® Jellied Cranberry Sauce (1 unit - 14oz) replaced with 12oz cranberries
Great Value Canned Green Beans (2 units - 14.5oz) this is up to three cans
French’s Crispy Fried Onions (1 unit - 6oz) replaced with Kinder's, 4.5 oz
Campbell’s Condensed Cream of Mushroom Soup (2 units - 10.5oz) one can
Great Value Brown Gravy Mix (2 units - 0.87oz)
Marie Callender’s Southern Pecan Pie (1 unit - 32oz)
Great Value Frozen Whipped Topping (1 unit - 8oz)
Great Value Frozen Deep Dish Pie Crusts (1 unit - 16oz)
Great Value 100% Pure Pumpkin (1 unit - 15oz)
Great Value Evaporated Milk (1 unit – 12 fl oz)
Fresh Whole Russet Potatoes (1 unit - 5lbs)
Jet-Puffed Mini Marshmallows (1 unit - 10oz) Everything from here...
Jiffy Corn Muffin Mix (2 units - 8.5oz)
Great Value Poultry Seasoning (1 unit - 1.5oz)
Swanson Chicken Broth (1 unit - 32oz)
Fresh Whole Sweet Potatoes (3 units)
Fresh Yellow Onions (1 unit - 3lbs)
Fresh Celery Stalks (1 unit) ...to here replaced with 2 boxes Stove Top Stuffing, 2x6oz
Added 3 boxes Great Value Mac and Cheese

"Hey, the turkey was less per pound in 2024! I thought Trump said the price was down?"

Yeah, $0.89/pound in 2024 instead of $0.97/pound in 2025 is not down. But it is officially Butterball now, if that matters.

"Don't both Stove Top Stuffing and Great Value Mac and Cheese require butter, which this basket lacks?"

Yes.

"How do you make cranberry sauce and/or relish?"

With ingredients the bag lacks. Granted, making jellied cranberry sauce basically needs just extra sugar and water, which a lot of kitchens have.

"What's the cream of mushroom soup for?"

It's for making green bean casserole. The onions go on top. There's...kind of enough soup and enough onions for three cans of beans.

So the price is lower because they replaced the ingredients to make several pounds of stuffing with enough boxes to make 12 ounces, let me remind you that's for ten people, that you make in the microwave. The sweet potatoes and the marshmallows for them are gone. And they took one of the pies and the whipped cream.

And Trump brags that it's lower. Because he's a liar.

"Did Trump say mortgages were down three thousand dollars a year?"

Housing prices are dropping because of supply and demand. That's not something to brag about. It's like saying you are spending less on food because you didn't buy side dishes or dessert.

"Did Trump say the price of eggs is down 85%?"

Yes, he lied about that, too. Prices are down, they are halved from the spike in March, they are now the same price as election day 2024 when Trump said they were too high. They are, in fact, higher than every day of Trump's first term and the non-bird-flu-spike of Biden's term. If they were 85% lower, as Trump claims, they'd be $1/dozen right now. That's false.

"Did Trump say energy prices are down?"

Yeah, I covered that in an earlier post. He's lying about that, too.

"Did Trump say-"

Look, the entire speech is full of lies, okay? Trump lies all the time about everything.

So when they rigged the election, I said oh man, I have to run again because I want to be president when they have the World Cup, right?

"He did not-"

Starts at 42 minutes.

We're not going to pay 1.5 billion for people that came into our country illegally, okay?

"Where is that number from?"

His enormous ass. That's three times the population of South America. Or, all of Africa. Like, literally, every single person in the entire continent. Somehow, that's how many came here. According to Trump.

The video is an hour long. Don't waste your brain cells on it. There's nothing there that's both new information and also honest. Trump just wanted to shake off the damage he pretends wasn't his fault to the party, get on camera, and only FOX News had the gall to televise it.

[PhaelixWW]

Trump says gasoline prices are the lowest in two decades-

"They are?"

No they're fucking not.

Ah, but he didn't say which two decades...



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I'm thinking... 2060-2080.

[Iphie]

"Where is that number from?"

His enormous ass. That's three times the population of South America. Or, all of Africa. Like, literally, every single person in the entire continent. Somehow, that's how many came here. According to Trump.

The video is an hour long. Don't waste your brain cells on it. There's nothing there that's both new information and also honest. Trump just wanted to shake off the damage he pretends wasn't his fault to the party, get on camera, and only FOX News had the gall to televise it.

I'm not sure you got that right Breccia, it seems to me he's talking about 1.5 billion in dollars, not 1.5 billion people, "pay 1.5 billion for people..." not "pay for 1.5 billion people..."

[Rasulis]

You could debatably have said that was the case under Biden (and throughout various points in America’s past under numerous presidents.)

But it is that perception, accurate or not, that drives voters. Voters by and large and for good or for ill care waaaaay more about their pocketbooks than about any social cause or tentpole issue. It’s where Harris failed in 2024 and where the gop have failed here now.

Biden (and by extension Harris) were touting real, existent good metrics but the American people didn’t feel that was the case. Trump is touting fake, nonexistent metrics… and people aren’t believing him. Good Numbers in a disconnected speculative market weren’t enough to keep the train rolling on a scandal-free, competent officiant in the form of Biden/harris, so much so that a once-rejected convicted felon could promise the vaguest hint of economic relief in terms enough people didn’t understand (tariffs) to get swept into office to blight the world with his presence once more.

Trump has turned the American economy down a bad path for the vast majority of Americans and has neither the plan nor the aptitude nor even the care to do anything about it. If he has a hope to remain in power, it’s not going to be through lying so hard to voters (that aren’t his sycophants, before some smartass tries bringing up how “well they won’t care!”) that they just forget about rising inflation and depressed wages and a bad job market, something they’re directly feeling. It would have to come down to pure ratfuckery.

We all know that it's easier to criticize than to explain. Republicans exploited this advantage in 2024, calling Biden's economy a disaster when, in fact, the economy was in better shape with a job market much stronger than it is currently. Biden and Harris simply did a poor job explaining it. This time around Democrats actually have an enormous catalogue of valid criticisms of Donald Trump and the GOP to choose from. Unless the economy somehow undergoes a spontaneous transformation, Republicans are in a bad place.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Not even 45 minutes into election night and the Democrats have already won two statewide elections in Georgia.

Is this a wave?


Gonna be a worse night for MMO-C Trump Fans or No-Elections-Ever-Again Doomposters?

Democrats are indeed winning bigly in these small elections.

I still don't have full confidence that Project 2025 won't rear its head against elections come 2026 especially with Trump talking about deploying the national guard to all states by then. Like imagine everything seeming to go fine, everyone gets to vote, and a huge Dem victory is expected, a massive blue wave, because of these elections. Then all of a sudden MAGA wins over half the stuff projected to be Dem, and everyone sits around dumbfounded going "How could this happen!?" without ever thinking that our big elections that truly matter are probably compromised.

[Tech614]

Democrats are indeed winning bigly in these small elections.

I still don't have full confidence that Project 2025 won't rear its head against elections come 2026 especially with Trump talking about deploying the national guard to all states by then. Like imagine everything seeming to go fine, everyone gets to vote, and a huge Dem victory is expected, a massive blue wave, because of these elections. Then all of a sudden MAGA wins over half the stuff projected to be Dem, and everyone sits around dumbfounded going "How could this happen!?" without ever thinking that our big elections that truly matter are probably compromised.

Doomposting over military takeover of elections seems silly for multiple reasons.

1) He has yet to successfully deploy the national guard to do anything besides stand around on federal owned property for photo shoots.

and

2) The national guard is not just republican voters

[Cthulhu 2020]

Doomposting over military takeover of elections seems silly for multiple reasons.

1) He has yet to successfully deploy the national guard to do anything besides stand around on federal owned property for photo shoots.

and

2) The national guard is not just republican voters

lol

I remember when everyone was SURE of a Kamala landslide victory, they'd once and for all show the world that America doesn't want Trump! I kept posting cautions that I didn't think it would go so smoothly and Trump might even win because of Elon and the Trump faction working overtime to make contacts in local governments, and people called me a doomposter for it.

And then it was all blank stares when the results rolled in, "How could this possibly happen?!"

Did people even read a summary of Project 2025 and what they'd do to hold power?

[PhaelixWW]

I remember when everyone was SURE of a Kamala landslide victory

You're misremembering history more than just a little, boyo.

I don't recall very many people being so sure about a victory, let alone a landslide.

Most of us were hopeful, maybe even somewhat optimistic, but definitely not sure.

And Trump didn't win because of Project 2025 or shady contacts with local politicians, he won because too many people who should have known better acted stupidly in the face of their recent economic uncertainty.

It was, yet again, a relatively narrow victory.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

It was, yet again, a relatively narrow victory.

In the words of one Dominic Toretto:

[Fugus]

Harris lost because of the economy, racism, her pivot, and Biden’s ego refusing to drop out in time for a primary without him.

Remember the Teamsters Union backed Biden then when he dropped they backed Trump by their own polling.

So, her gender worked against her and her race worked against her. Have to remember just how many voters in the US are still 55+ and just what views that generation adopted. They might not be as vocal about them but that doesn’t mean many of them stopped having them.

Then you had Biden just piling on by refusing to drop out.

Then, on top of ALL that, you had her pivot to her right hoping to woo the republicans who were actually even more racist and prejudice at the expense of her left flank who have been dying for a candidate to actually give them something to support.

I was warning some of my nieces friend that was dead sure she would win not to get his hopes up because of all those. Hoped he was right and I was just being too cautious but I ended up seeing what I worried about being true.

[Corvus]

Given Mamdani is one of those dreaded immigrants that they hate, I'm half surprised they didn't send ICE after him and try and throw him out of the country.

I'd bet they almost certainly discussed doing it though.

[Fugus]

Given Mamdani is one of those dreaded immigrants that they hate, I'm half surprised they didn't send ICE after him and try and throw him out of the country.

I'd bet they almost certainly discussed doing it though.

Great… now you got me wondering if I will see a news article in the near future where ICE has arrested and deported him before the judges can react and the administration and their supporters and moderate democrats give smug responses about it.

[DarkTZeratul]

Great… now you got me wondering if I will see a news article in the near future where ICE has arrested and deported him before the judges can react and the administration and their supporters and moderate democrats give smug responses about it.

He's been a US citizen since 2018, not that I expect they'd let that stop them if they really wanted to fuck with him.

[Fugus]

He's been a US citizen since 2018, not that I expect they'd let that stop them if they really wanted to fuck with him.

Well, they have deported native born citizens as well. So wouldn’t put it past thing with the only thing they are worried about is the response if they do.